Should I buy more Warranty?

[hogcowboy]

I never heard of being able to buy an extended coverage once the bike is out of the factory coverage

It's normally independent firms, not HD. My 07 Electra Glide had one from some firm in Germany. I had something like two weeks coverage left when the brains of the bike crapped out. Talk about close!!!!! Almost $1,500 in diagnostics and repair cost me $50.

That's what extended warranty is for.

 

[Freewheeling Ron]

I'm not sure about the availability of Harley used parts, but I've bought several parts off ebay for other bikes that were as new. Lots of motorcycle salvage companies on ebay. ECM's that come off a wrecked bike could save a lot for those who don't have a warranty. I would think Harley parts would be plentiful, trike specific maybe a bit less.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I'm not sure about the availability of Harley used parts, but I've bought several parts off ebay for other bikes that were as new. Lots of motorcycle salvage companies on ebay. ECM's that come off a wrecked bike could save a lot for those who don't have a warranty. I would think Harley parts would be plentiful, trike specific maybe a bit less.

E bay has lots of good deals on exhaust parts

Seems stock take offs go pretty cheap, I have bought several sets for projects

I would not buy an ECM used for any amount JMO

 

[hogcowboy]

E bay has lots of good deals on exhaust parts

Seems stock take offs go pretty cheap, I have bought several sets for projects

I would not buy an ECM used for any amount JMO

My dealer had to wait two weeks to get a new one for my bike. An 07 was already in their "not in stock" category and even the mother ship had to track one down which is why it took so long. Once found it was overnighted of course. So there very well may be a time eBay will be your only source or go very expensive and lose a lot of function by going carburetor'ed. If that's even possible to remove an ECM and go basic like that. That's the one thing that scares me about older bikes with little computers on board.

 

[MikeyTX]

Some dealers are offering it with a 50.00 inspection fee and a mileage limit Here in Jax FLA Adamecs HD offers it You may shop around on line

I have it, most likely will never use it

 

[Freewheeling Ron]

I went to the DiscountESP website and read the ESP contract. It specifically states that if the bike/trike is equipped to tow (trailer hitch) that items will not be covered. I understand the reasoning because there is more stress on components, but so many of us tow trailers. When I do long multi day rides I camp most of the time and can't image not towing a trailer to put everything I need in. Tent, tarp, porta-potti, alcohol, beer and food, clothes, bath items etc. This would be a major obstacle for me purchasing a new Harley because you would give up your warranty if you installed a hitch. Some other manufacturers (Can Am Spyders) even offer hitches for their products and no issues with warranty. I've read where Harley even declined warranty work where a guy had a flag on his bike. Said it put more stress on the clutch and drive train. Geez.

 

[MikeyTX]

I will say that if Harley made a hitch, there would not be a problem. If as rumored, Honda comes out with a factory trike, things will get interesting.

 

[hogcowboy]

I have it, most likely will never use it

Just like a gun. Best to have it and not need it as to need it and not have it.

 

[ultrafxr]

I will say that if Harley made a hitch, there would not be a problem. If as rumored, Honda comes out with a factory trike, things will get interesting.

That would be a game changer for sure.

 

[DK Custom Products]

Are the warranty companies ok with modifications like a DK stage one and a Power Vision tuner?

We've never had a single report of a warranty being denied based on any of our Stage I upgrades.

The '17-up Trikes are being looked at closely regarding tuners. While none of our Customers have reported a warranty issue with the Power Vision, we have heard of others having warranty worked denied because of it.

Contrary to the internet myth, AND what many dealers say...

If you have a Power Vision on your bike/trike, that was loaded with a tune from us, fuelmoto or dynojet. You can restore the original factory tune to the ECM, remove the PV from the bike, and they can NOT tell it was ever installed. All they can tell is that there was a tune loaded onto the bike, but they cannot tell what device loaded it. It looks exactly the same as if you had loaded a tune from the HD/EPA approved tuning device.

Kevin

 

[hogcowboy]

We've never had a single report of a warranty being denied based on any of our Stage I upgrades.

The '17-up Trikes are being looked at closely regarding tuners. While none of our Customers have reported a warranty issue with the Power Vision, we have heard of others having warranty worked denied because of it.

Contrary to the internet myth, AND what many dealers say...

If you have a Power Vision on your bike/trike, that was loaded with a tune from us, fuelmoto or dynojet. You can restore the original factory tune to the ECM, remove the PV from the bike, and they can NOT tell it was ever installed. All they can tell is that there was a tune loaded onto the bike, but they cannot tell what device loaded it. It looks exactly the same as if you had loaded a tune from the HD/EPA approved tuning device.

Kevin

That does seem to work wit HD but Indian is different. They claim they can tell and will void a warranty for the powertrain. Polaris is downright crappy. No other company seems to have issues. Just them. And the interesting thing is their stock tune has more issues than ANY Fuelmoto or Dynojet tune. Figure that one out.

 

[rhino 2]

The answer to the warranty problem is simple.....If you are worried about it , Leave the Trike/Bike stock.......Or as some will say, Its your machine do what you want to it, And then if something gos south ,Man up and fix it yourself....:Shrug:

When i did a job for a customer i guaranteed my work....And if the customer later decided to monkey with it, Or try to improve upon it and then something brakes, Why should that then become my problem.... :Shrug:

 

[Jack Klarich]

The answer to the warranty problem is simple.....If you are worried about it , Leave the Trike/Bike stock.......Or as some will say, Its your machine do what you want to it, And then if something gos south ,Man up and fix it yourself....:Shrug:

When i did a job for a customer i guaranteed my work....And if the customer later decided to monkey with it, Or try to improve upon it and then something brakes, Why should that then become my problem.... :Shrug:

I always warrantied MY work

BUT if a customer messed with it after it was on his dime

That said, with the M8 bikes HD has gone down a bad road IMO

Seems to me they are forcing us to buy THEIR mufflers , tunes and air cleaners OR none at all

How is that even close to free marketing let alone legal?

I have stock air box and pipes If I have a warranty issue the stock parts will go back on

 

[rhino 2]

I always warrantied MY work

BUT if a customer messed with it after it was on his dime

That said, with the M8 bikes HD has gone down a bad road IMO

Seems to me they are forcing us to buy THEIR mufflers , tunes and air cleaners OR none at all

How is that even close to free marketing let alone legal?

I have stock air box and pipes If I have a warranty issue the stock parts will go back on

There not saying you have to buy their parts....The EPA Is saying that aftermarket parts have to be certified....And i don't think that many aftermarket suppliers are willing to spend the money that Harley did to do that...:Shrug:

Hypothetically Speaking.....You are on a trip and you brake down in lets say Moose Elbow Montana , Are you carrying the stock parts with you so you can then slap them on before the tow truck gets you to the dealer...:Shrug:

 

[jc1300]

Interesting that with all this discussion that this arrived in my inbox today - Clarksville, TN...



I have no idea of the scope etc. nor the costs.....jc

 

[Jack Klarich]

There not saying you have to buy their parts....The EPA Is saying that aftermarket parts have to be certified....And i don't think that many aftermarket suppliers are willing to spend the money that Harley did to do that...:Shrug:

Hypothetically Speaking.....You are on a trip and you brake down in lets say Moose Elbow Montana , Are you carrying the stock parts with you so you can then slap them on before the tow truck gets you to the dealer...:Shrug:

Dont take a 17 or newer Harley in for warranty work with non harley exhaust and air cleaner and see what happens

HD is now starting to cancel power train warranties for NON HD approved parts Especially tuners

I give you the part about the EPA non compliant, Why take chances with a warranty issue

Until HD comes out with a list of approved parts by other manufactures they WILL control the market

Thank the devil for forcing HD into a corner with the EPA JMO

The real fly in the ointment comes down to the tuner in the ECM

If it aint HD you can say bye bye to your warranty for now, til some one decides to come up with an approved tuner by the EPA tho I don't see that coming any time soon

Years gone by HD turned a blind eye to all this

Now with fines levied, I just don't see a dealer willing to lose their franchise or be fined for letting this slide Once again JMO

 

[DK Custom Products]

There not saying you have to buy their parts....The EPA Is saying that aftermarket parts have to be certified....And i don't think that many aftermarket suppliers are willing to spend the money that Harley did to do that...:Shrug:

Hypothetically Speaking.....You are on a trip and you brake down in lets say Moose Elbow Montana , Are you carrying the stock parts with you so you can then slap them on before the tow truck gets you to the dealer...:Shrug:

That is a very real question for me. I travel around North America...we'll be on a 20+ State trip later this year. Fortunately I've never had a drivetrain warranty issue come up on any of my 100k+ miles of riding on trips. BUT, if I did, the following is what I am prepared to do-

Since I only do Stage I upgrades and oil cooling upgrades I only need to do the following:

1. Remove oil cooler and oil filter relocation, putting filter back in stock location. (less than 1 hour work, and no part requirement)

2. Get a stock air cleaner (used take-off) at a local shop, or have one overnighted to me from my shop. (less than 1 hour work and a 1 day delay)

3. Get some stock slip-ons locally (used take-offs). (1 -1.5 hours work)

4. Reflash the factory tune to the ECM and remove the Power Vision (10 minutes)

Yes, this would be a PITA, and add a 1 day delay to getting it into the shop, and possibly a second transpo expense.

But that is worth it for me to have a good running machine for all the time I ride it, rather than settling for a choked down machine, just in case something should ever go wrong and it needed drivetrain warranty work.

There is nothing in a good stage I upgrade that can cause a drivetrain warranty issue...so there is no reason for the warranty to not be taken advantage of.

If I did some modification to the bike that did cause a warranty issue, I would not undo it and try and make a warranty claim. That would, in my mind, be stealing.

Kevin

 

[hogcowboy]

Dont take a 17 or newer Harley in for warranty work with non harley exhaust and air cleaner and see what happens

HD is now starting to cancel power train warranties for NON HD approved parts Especially tuners

I give you the part about the EPA non compliant, Why take chances with a warranty issue

Until HD comes out with a list of approved parts by other manufactures they WILL control the market

Thank the devil for forcing HD into a corner with the EPA JMO

The real fly in the ointment comes down to the tuner in the ECM

If it aint HD you can say bye bye to your warranty for now, til some one decides to come up with an approved tuner by the EPA tho I don't see that coming any time soon

Years gone by HD turned a blind eye to all this

Now with fines levied, I just don't see a dealer willing to lose their franchise or be fined for letting this slide Once again JMO

Wonder if they saw Polaris getting away with it on Indians and decided why not or was it coincidental. I've heard of 2 powertrain warranties being cancelled due to aftermarket tuners on Indians. Well specifically tunes reflashed, not the actual devices. In these cases Power Vision CX for Indians. Yet the tunes are so much better than the lean EPA compliant things. I'd love to hear about EPA compliant tunes causing engine failures but it hasn't happened. Nor the PVCX for that matter. It's just Polaris's way to get out. I don't care on mine. I much prefer a good running engine to these lean and hot EPA engines. I also wish someone could prove a good running engine is actually friendlier to the environment. I know for fact I don't use as much fuel so how could that be a bad thing?:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[DK Custom Products]

Dont take a 17 or newer Harley in for warranty work with non harley exhaust and air cleaner and see what happens

HD is now starting to cancel power train warranties for NON HD approved parts Especially tuners

I give you the part about the EPA non compliant, Why take chances with a warranty issue

Until HD comes out with a list of approved parts by other manufactures they WILL control the market

Thank the devil for forcing HD into a corner with the EPA JMO

The real fly in the ointment comes down to the tuner in the ECM

If it aint HD you can say bye bye to your warranty for now, til some one decides to come up with an approved tuner by the EPA tho I don't see that coming any time soon

Years gone by HD turned a blind eye to all this

Now with fines levied, I just don't see a dealer willing to lose their franchise or be fined for letting this slide Once again JMO

Yeah Jack, it's a cluster. The HD Warranty written warranty was, and still is written fine. If you add a part that causes an HD part to fail, it is not covered under warranty.

That is how the warranty reads, and it is perfectly fair. It is also in keeping with Federal Law regarding consumer protection. MF act.

ENTER the EPA...they "forced" HD to sign the Consent Decree that is in DIRECT violation of Federal Law that protects the consumer from the unfair practices you mention above... on 17-up year models. It does not affect 16 and earlier models.

Since the day the news broke on this, in August of 2106, I've been waiting for someone to bring this to court...as far as I know, no one has wanted to take the EPA to court for their illegal CD.

Since it is so easy to get around it, probably no one has seen it worthwhile to, on principle, try and keep them honest.

Kevin

 

[Jack Klarich]

I understand the HD warranty, It has not changed much in years

Til now

I just don't get a complete power train warranty voided

We really have mixed ideas from several dealers on this

One of these days I am going to call the MOCO to see what is real and fake

My local dealer says pretty much the same, not to worry I am a good customer We will take care of you

This has been a family run dealer since the 40s

I sure hope they mean what they say

The M8 runs a lot richer than the TC

Opening up the air cleaner and exhaust has NOT hurt mine yet and I doubt it will

I knew the chances I was taking and will oewn up if these changes hurt the engine

However if say an alternator or a leaky head gasket should arise I see NO reason a warranty should be voided JMO

 

[MikeyTX]

Jack, The big issue as I now see it is what happens should there be an issue on a long trip ? Sure, your local selling dealer will cover you. How about the dealer one goes to 1k away from home ?

 

[Jack Klarich]

Jack, The big issue as I now see it is what happens should there be an issue on a long trip ? Sure, your local selling dealer will cover you. How about the dealer one goes to 1k away from home ?

Very good point

I just don't have that answer

This is why I would like to see something in writing from some one

 

[DK Custom Products]

I understand the HD warranty, It has not changed much in years

Til now

I just don't get a complete power train warranty voided

We really have mixed ideas from several dealers on this

One of these days I am going to call the MOCO to see what is real and fake

My local dealer says pretty much the same, not to worry I am a good customer We will take care of you

This has been a family run dealer since the 40s

I sure hope they mean what they say

The M8 runs a lot richer than the TC

Opening up the air cleaner and exhaust has NOT hurt mine yet and I doubt it will

I knew the chances I was taking and will oewn up if these changes hurt the engine

However if say an alternator or a leaky head gasket should arise I see NO reason a warranty should be voided JMO

Forget what the dealerships say, and even what the Customer Service folks say when you call up to Milwaukee. If you ask the same question 20 times, you can get 20 different answers. (I know, I've done it. lol)

What matters is what is in writing...

On the 2017'-up, the problem is that the warranty, that is in writing, is in direct conflict with the Consent Decree that Harley is bound by with the EPA. It may be an easy case for HD to say that their warranty is supplemented/modified by the CD.

But then, you have the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act that is law to protect us consumers, and the CD from the EPA is in direct conflict with it.

The EPA is requiring HD to, in most cases, violate federal law by their CD.

Fortunately there are ways around it, and if you should ever have any trouble, sounds like your dealer will take care of you.

If you're out on the road, you know what to do. (see post #77 above)

btw, one of our local dealerships did an install on an '18 of some items (not ours) that ended up voiding the factory powertrain warranty. The dealership was straight-up and paid for the repairs out of their own pocket, since HD wouldn't.

Kevin

 

[MikeyTX]

That is what worries me. And why I went back to stock.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Kevin, I have enough stock parts to change out should I need to take my Trike in for warranty work

My local dealership is having enuf trouble trying to sell bikes right now

IMO they want to keep their core buyers

I have been dealing with them since 97 so I believe they will take care of me

In fact when my Streetbob blew up The MOCO wanted them to rebuild the heads

NAH, they finagled them and got me a complete NEW engine

I traded that in on a 15 Freewheeler

 

[rhino 2]

Jack, The big issue as I now see it is what happens should there be an issue on a long trip ? Sure, your local selling dealer will cover you. How about the dealer one goes to 1k away from home ?

All that dealer has to is put your vin number into Haleys red flag computer....

And the warranty is toast at any Harley dealer.... That said goes anyone know of that happening to someone....:Shrug:

 

[desertclassic]

This is a great thread. I bought 7 year extended with tire and wheel option when I bought the Tri glide. Expires in 2021. If I sell, It can be transferred to the new owner or cashed in at my option. That means the new owner would have to buy their own extended warranty if desired.

I did a Harley stage 1, with SE air intake, rinehart slip ons and Harley download at the dealer at the 1k service.

Since then, I added the DK dual cool oil filter and cooler, DK discrete air and KN air filter. I bought a stock takeoff header and gutted it, kept the header that came with the trike, and replaced with the gutted header. I did not purchase a tuner, at about the time I was doing this, Harley got zapped and I decided to leave it as I had it.

I also did a DK tank lift, Air deflectors, led stealth lower lights, and added the DK comfort lift, which I won from DK Customs.

HERE IS THE QUESTION?? If I sell this trike, would it be smart to do away with the things that I have done that is not a Harley Company Mod, except the Harley stage 1, and install all the original factory items and sell with the remaining warranty OR indentify all the mods and sell as is and without the extended warranty??

Now the writing is on the wall, I do plan on SELLING this Tri Glide. Jim

 

[hogcowboy]

This is a great thread. I bought 7 year extended with tire and wheel option when I bought the Tri glide. Expires in 2021. If I sell, It can be transferred to the new owner or cashed in at my option. That means the new owner would have to buy their own extended warranty if desired.

I did a Harley stage 1, with SE air intake, rinehart slip ons and Harley download at the dealer at the 1k service.

Since then, I added the DK dual cool oil filter and cooler, DK discrete air and KN air filter. I bought a stock takeoff header and gutted it, kept the header that came with the trike, and replaced with the gutted header. I did not purchase a tuner, at about the time I was doing this, Harley got zapped and I decided to leave it as I had it.

I also did a DK tank lift, Air deflectors, led stealth lower lights, and added the DK comfort lift, which I won from DK Customs.

HERE IS THE QUESTION?? If I sell this trike, would it be smart to do away with the things that I have done that is not a Harley Company Mod, except the Harley stage 1, and install all the original factory items and sell with the remaining warranty OR indentify all the mods and sell as is and without the extended warranty??



Now the writing is on the wall, I do plan on SELLING this Tri Glide. Jim

The short answer is yes but has nothing to do with warranty really. They just won't give you any more money for the extras that you could sell later. Unless of course you sell to someone other than a dealer. In that case I'd say it's between you and your customer. Give them the facts and they may or may not want all the goodies but make sure you have it in writing they they are fully aware of the potential of warranty voiding. That's just to protect you, not them. A dealer would want a stock bike anyway.

 

[DK Custom Products]

All that dealer has to is put your vin number into Haleys red flag computer....

And the warranty is toast at any Harley dealer.... That said goes anyone know of that happening to someone....:Shrug:

Yes, I know a several people with '18's that have had their powertrain warranty voided. 3 of them for having FP3's installed, 1 for a Power Vision. None of them were in for warranty work on the engine, but the digital tech that was hooked up, as is SOP when bringing the bike in, and the tuners were seen and that flagged them.

THIS IS ONLY ON 2017-2108 models.

If the guy with the PV would have flashed the original tune back to the ECM, it would not have been flagged.

This is a great thread. I bought 7 year extended with tire and wheel option when I bought the Tri glide. Expires in 2021. If I sell, It can be transferred to the new owner or cashed in at my option. That means the new owner would have to buy their own extended warranty if desired.

I did a Harley stage 1, with SE air intake, rinehart slip ons and Harley download at the dealer at the 1k service.

Since then, I added the DK dual cool oil filter and cooler, DK discrete air and KN air filter. I bought a stock takeoff header and gutted it, kept the header that came with the trike, and replaced with the gutted header. I did not purchase a tuner, at about the time I was doing this, Harley got zapped and I decided to leave it as I had it.

I also did a DK tank lift, Air deflectors, led stealth lower lights, and added the DK comfort lift, which I won from DK Customs.

HERE IS THE QUESTION?? If I sell this trike, would it be smart to do away with the things that I have done that is not a Harley Company Mod, except the Harley stage 1, and install all the original factory items and sell with the remaining warranty OR indentify all the mods and sell as is and without the extended warranty??

Now the writing is on the wall, I do plan on SELLING this Tri Glide. Jim

The new EPA mandated (illegal) CD does not apply to your Trike. 2017-UP models are the only ones being flagged/warranty voided if they are hooked up to the Digital Tech while a non-HD tune is in the ECM.

But, like hogcowboy mentioned, unless the aftermarket parts are needed to complete the sale, always better to remove what you want for your next ride.

Kevin

 

[Capt.Bob]

Yes, I know a several people with '18's that have had their powertrain warranty voided. 3 of them for having FP3's installed, 1 for a Power Vision. None of them were in for warranty work on the engine, but the digital tech that was hooked up, as is SOP when bringing the bike in, and the tuners were seen and that flagged them.

THIS IS ONLY ON 2017-2108 models.

If the guy with the PV would have flashed the original tune back to the ECM, it would not have been flagged.

The new EPA mandated (illegal) CD does not apply to your Trike. 2017-UP models are the only ones being flagged/warranty voided if they are hooked up to the Digital Tech while a non-HD tune is in the ECM.

But, like hogcowboy mentioned, unless the aftermarket parts are needed to complete the sale, always better to remove what you want for your next ride.

Kevin

Kevin, That is chilling news and an indication that Harley has chosen to stay in line with their consent decree and keep their dealers in line in terms of mods that would affect the EPA mandates. I for one do not want to have my Harley-sourced ESP contract for my 2017 TGU voided for a powertrain that has yet to prove its long-term reliability. Additionally, it seems that some of the mods people have been attempting on the M8 engines are proving to be going in the opposite direction that was intended and with few anecdotal reports are experiencing some decreased performance and smooth running.

Bob