Oil from trans to primary......

[520fd]

Me and the Mrs. went for a ride to Galina, Il. the other day. I decided to check the transmission fluid before we left. Not a drop on the rod. Had to screw it all the way in before it would register on the very tip. I used BelRay and had Syn3 in the primary. So I drove up to the Harley dealer to get a qt. of BelRay. I added 8 ounces to get it back up. I guess I have the problem with "Transference". Crap. I have an appointment July 17th. to get the fluids changed and change out the left side switch. This is just before we leave for Sturgis. I don't know now. I might call tomorrow and see if I can get in earlier. Damn.

Well, I took the trike in to the dealer today and had them do a 10000 mile check. I told them about the transfer of tranny fluid and to check how much fluid comes out of the primary. All said and done, the service writer said the tech. didn't check how much came out. So back to square one. Had them put in a new left hand switch pak though. Solved the starting in gear problem. Had them put Formula + in tranny and primary. I bought a couple qt's of formula + and some seals for the primary cover. Takin with me on vacation.

 

[1dn5up]

Jerry, that sounds like a time I took the cage for a blood transfusion. It has the paper cartridge filter. With that type of filter, your to replace it before the oil drain, due to that oil drains back to the pan when the cap is removed and the vacuum is broke. Not many techs want to take the time to understand the process nor care. As it’s just a job. You would think that being a problem the tec would of known to measure or at least remove the derby cover to see if any overflow. Even a red flag if the trans was real low.:Shrug:

 

[rhino 2]

Well, I took the trike in to the dealer today and had them do a 10000 mile check. I told them about the transfer of tranny fluid and to check how much fluid comes out of the primary. All said and done, the service writer said the tech. didn't check how much came out. So back to square one. Had them put in a new left hand switch pak though. Solved the starting in gear problem. Had them put Formula + in tranny and primary. I bought a couple qt's of formula + and some seals for the primary cover. Takin with me on vacation.

The procedure as per Harley , Is for the tech to level out the fluids, [trans/primary] Then tell the the owners to put a thousand miles on it....And if it is still migrating come back again and the'll level the fluids again , And stonewall you, Till they Harley can find a fix...Which at this point in my opinion there isn't any...Iv'e been through that 3 times..

And now with only 4 hundred miles since the last time they leveled it its down below the low mark on the stick... And when i asked should i add some to fluid to the trans before i can get it back to the dealer...NO..Was the answer , you might bind up the cluch ...??

 

[1dn5up]

The procedure as per Harley , Is for the tech to level out the fluids, [trans/primary] Then tell the the owners to put a thousand miles on it....And if it is still migrating come back again and the'll level the fluids again , And stonewall you, Till they Harley can find a fix...Which at this point in my opinion there isn't any...Iv'e been through that 3 times..

And now with only 4 hundred miles since the last time they leveled it its down below the low mark on the stick... And when i asked should i add some to fluid to the trans before i can get it back to the dealer...NO..Was the answer , you might bind up the cluch ...??

That should make ya feel warm n fuzzy

 

[rhino 2]

That should make ya feel warm n fuzzy

Frank i have contacted a lemon law attorney [schonos@lemonlaw.com] and they will be sending me a packed with forms to fill out.....Win or lose there is no charge .....

There could be one of four scenarios....

1] Full purchase price back...

2] Up grade to a new Trike.....

3] Finally fix it...With money back money back for a Trike with a repair record...

4] Thats to be seen....??

 

[Jack Klarich]

If HD does not have a fix I wonder how these bikes will do in Europe

How can anyone trust going on a long trip having to stop and check your fluid every 100 miles, and what if there is no dealer close are we out of luck, do we add or just wrecker our trikes- bikes home?

I am disgusted by the MOCO attitude and what they do or don't know about this problem

 

[520fd]

When I purchased the seal, it came with all the O-rings in the kit. I bought 2 sets just incase.

 

[520fd]

I'm not sure if anyone here has read the article on the HDFORUM or not. But very interesting. It's called "the fix is in" A guy made a shaft nut alteration and installed a seal basically. Long, but worth the read. If Harley doesn't do this, than they don't want to fix it. He sells the mod's for $190.00. Includes the altered nut, the seal, and milled case. You have to send your case back to him. I think he has a good product. Will see if HD ever has a permanente fix or not.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I'm not sure if anyone here has read the article on the HDFORUM or not. But very interesting. It's called "the fix is in" A guy made a shaft nut alteration and installed a seal basically. Long, but worth the read. If Harley doesn't do this, than they don't want to fix it. He sells the mod's for $190.00. Includes the altered nut, the seal, and milled case. You have to send your case back to him. I think he has a good product. Will see if HD ever has a permanente fix or not.

Stonecold is his name

The only thing I see wrong here is now you have altered your bike. If HD does come out with a real fix you may not be covered having altered your bike

 

[rhino 2]

Stonecold is his name

The only thing I see wrong here is now you have altered your bike. If HD does come out with a real fix you may not be covered having altered your bike

Yep, Thats what they told me....Non-authorized part...Also i read Stonecolds post/fix..

And it is a lot to digest , So i might be wrong 'But i don't think anyone has driven more than 5k using his fix..:Shrug:

 

[520fd]

Stonecold is his name

The only thing I see wrong here is now you have altered your bike. If HD does come out with a real fix you may not be covered having altered your bike

Exactly. I just hope HD has a real fix before my warrantee runs out.

Funny thing. I just got a call from the sales people at Black Hills HD (where I bought mine) telling me how many Trike they will have for sale at the Rally this year. HAHA. As if I'm going to buy another headache.

 

[Peter A.]

Fix

Frank i have contacted a lemon law attorney [schonos@lemonlaw.com] and they will be sending me a packed with forms to fill out.....Win or lose there is no charge .....

There could be one of four scenarios....

1] Full purchase price back...

2] Up grade to a new Trike.....

3] Finally fix it...With money back money back for a Trike with a repair record...

4] Thats to be seen....??

Re #2 - WHY would someone upgrade to ANOTHER problem trike????????

:xzqxz::gah::gah:

 

[rhino 2]

Exactly. I just hope HD has a real fix before my warrantee runs out.

Funny thing. I just got a call from the sales people at Black Hills HD (where I bought mine) telling me how many Trike they will have for sale at the Rally this year. HAHA. As if I'm going to buy another headache.

Jerry, When you get to the rally, Nonchalantly ask them if they ever heard of the oil migration ......Bet i know what they will say; Never heard a thing about it..:Shrug:

 

[Jack Klarich]

NO..Was the answer , you might bind up the cluch ...??

I dunno, My guess is the clutch may slip, harder to find neutral, The clutch is wet but not to be drowned in fluid

So it is alright to ride the bike with low fluid in the tranny but over full primary is ok? Sheeeeez, can it get any more convoluted than this? Whilst HD spins this as they all do it and is normal, why has this not been reported with earnest til now and HD knows their fix does not work, they are putting a band aid on a broken leg and hoping the public will accept it and remain loyal, NAH I aint drinkin the Kool Aid

What ever happened to the owners manual ( I Am para phrasing here) to protect your investment {read IE make sure your fluids are up} before riding

Looks like HD will be having to re write new owners manuals for future sales?

 

[MDO]

They need to look at 2 bikes that don't do it & compare them to 2 bikes that do. I'm glad I'm a non-migrater(for now), but the other forum says any bike/trike will do it if ridden at high RPM's. I am now really glad I initially chose to run

Lucas High Performance 20W-50 motorcycle oil in all 3 holes.:clapping:

I'm not changing brands now. I want to stay a non-migrater.

Hey Jack, is it time for another oil thread?

 

[Jack Klarich]

Hey Jack, is it time for another oil thread?

Humor me

Harley cannot make up its mind, first 20-50 dino oil is OK, next Syn3 is OK, BUT wait, now Formula + is OK for up to 20K HMMMMM my owners manual does not say that

 

[rhino 2]

I dunno, My guess is the clutch may slip, harder to find neutral, The clutch is wet but not to be drowned in fluid

So it is alright to ride the bike with low fluid in the tranny but over full primary is ok? Sheeeeez, can it get any more convoluted than this? Whilst HD spins this as they all do it and is normal, why has this not been reported with earnest til now and HD knows their fix does not work, they are putting a band aid on a broken leg and hoping the public will accept it and remain loyal, NAH I aint drinkin the Kool Aid

What ever happened to the owners manual ( I Am para phrasing here) to protect your investment {read IE make sure your fluids are up} before riding

Looks like HD will be having to re write new owners manuals for future sales?

This for what its worth......If you keep on adding to the trans then it will bind up the cluch , Happened to one member here , Wish i could remember their name..

 

[Jack Klarich]

This for what its worth......If you keep on adding to the trans then it will bind up the cluch , Happened to one member here , Wish i could remember their name..

If mine ever does start to transfer and I will know ahead of time I hope my clutch and tranny both blow up, I may help that a long a bit

 

[MDO]

Humor me

Harley cannot make up its mind, first 20-50 dino oil is OK, next Syn3 is OK, BUT wait, now Formula + is OK for up to 20K HMMMMM my owners manual does not say that

Actually, I'm saving my Lucas for the engine. At my 10,000 mile service, I'm putting in the Quicksilver 20W-50 I got from Walmart for $4 a quart in my transmission & differential.

I have you to thank for telling me about that.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Actually, I'm saving my Lucas for the engine. At my 10,000 mile service, I'm putting in the Quicksilver 20W-50 I got from Walmart for $4 a quart in my transmission & differential.

I have you to thank for telling me about that.

I think your trike will like it

I changed my 15 over @ 1k miles

My M8 got changed @ the same mileage, both trikes appear to like this oil

I do not get the valve train clatter like Mobil1 oil does

 

[luzierg]

i just dropped my trike at the dealer after putting on the requested 1000 miles to test out the transmission oil. they all confirmed that the oil was low. I was expecting the run around about my problem but was told they would order the repair parts from Harley and would call when the repair was complete.

 

[Jack Klarich]

i just dropped my trike at the dealer after putting on the requested 1000 miles to test out the transmission oil. they all confirmed that the oil was low. I was expecting the run around about my problem but was told they would order the repair parts from Harley and would call when the repair was complete.

Good Luck Gary, please post what parts they are using on yours

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

I'm not sure if anyone here has read the article on the HDFORUM or not. But very interesting. It's called "the fix is in" A guy made a shaft nut alteration and installed a seal basically. Long, but worth the read. If Harley doesn't do this, than they don't want to fix it. He sells the mod's for $190.00. Includes the altered nut, the seal, and milled case. You have to send your case back to him. I think he has a good product. Will see if HD ever has a permanente fix or not.

So in the word case you mean the trans case.

 

[Jack Klarich]

So in the word case you mean the trans case.

Steve, I think he meant to say the trap door the actuator bolts onto

 

[520fd]

So in the word case you mean the trans case.

I'm sorry, but what I meant to say is the side cover. He sends the side covers out to be machined and send them with the kit. I think your supposed to send your cover back to him.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I have followed that repair on the forum, no doubt it will probably be better than The MOCO, however we risk voiding our warranty using this fix JMO

I will wait til my extended warranty runs out or my tranny blows up

 

[520fd]

I have followed that repair on the forum, no doubt it will probably be better than The MOCO, however we risk voiding our warranty using this fix JMO

I will wait til my extended warranty runs out or my tranny blows up

I'm with you on that Jack. Hopefully Harley has a solid fix before the warrantee runs out. In my case, they have 1 year to find it. I think HD has been keeping a close eye on their discussion. He actually want's HD to use his fix.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Ask them about this Harley-Davidson Milwaukee Eight Transmission Fluid Leaking Into The Primary (TA0022)

This is an internal bulletin dealers have access to