I'm with you Bill, they wouldn't go to all that trouble to do nothing, my dealer has a big sealable container they drop the old parts in for return. Was told that's how they (Mother Honda) accounts for paying the dealer on this recall, replaced parts are returned and counted then credit is given to dealer. Sounded feasable to me..... guess I'll find out if we ever get winter and it gets colder.... 65 this morning..... If all I got from the dealer repair was a system bleeding per the last revived #23 Recall that would be good, new SMC guess that's okay to as its supposed to have a larger port to pass more crappy dirty fluid.... that tells me if you keep your fluid changed it should pass more cleaner fluid if it does work, plus its shown completed on my VIN Record. Just my thinking....
Honda GL1800 rear brake recall
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bikerbillone
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I think we have a meeting of the minds on this one. The man told me, all recalls have a packet sent from Mother Honda to the dealers with the necessary parts to do whatever needs to be done. If the tech replaced the SCM, what does he care if it connected to whatever, he's done his job and the old part goes to Mother Honda, Mother Honda has the recall DOT safety people off their back. I was really over thinking this thing, but I wanted to understand it as best I could; all sounds logical to me now.
In my case I disagree as I have a Hannigan conversion with the 180 front end and I would not trust any Honda Dealer without full knowledge of the 180 front end since you have to remove the front wheel to replace the secondary master cylinder and further the Hannigan has linked brake system (at least for my 2014 gl1800 and conversion). Further I would want the shop to have a Trike lift which my two local Honda Dealers do not have.
For these reasons I'm taking mine to the Honda Dealer that also built my Trike. See my post (page 1 this Thread). Ride Safe.
Doc ThumbUp
Doc, did you read this on the Hannigan page:
The secondary master cylinder is still installed in its OEM position on the bike, it is capped off with no influence or interference on the rear braking system. No aspect of the secondary master cylinder is attached and affecting the braking of the bike on the rear. Some manufacturers request that the entire system be removed including all plumbing since it isn't used, we leave the secondary master on the bike as with the plumbing but we cap off the line that runs to the rear of the bike.
As mentioned above the SMC has no influence during braking, this means front or rear. So pedal usage is irrelevant in terms of functionality of the smc after the conversion.
tfdeputydawg,
PM sent. Thanks for the alert to Hannigan post. Ride Safe.
Doc ThumbUp
PM sent. Thanks for the alert to Hannigan post. Ride Safe.
Doc ThumbUp
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Doc
I had and have no intention of going to just any Honda dealer. There is a Honda dealer 15 minutes from my home.
I did however get a call from Broward Motor Sports today.
They are a Motor Trike dealer. One of their newest.
They wont build a trike for stock, but as a sold unit only.
Anyway I was told by the service manger/MT tech. Honda will do the recall at 100% their expense and having linked brakes isn't an issue.
I as you are should only have the work done by an authorized dealer of whatever build you may have.
The Service Bulletin American Honda Motor Co., Inc,
GL1800 #23 Revised December 11, 2015
states under:
Trike Conversions or Modified Brakes:
If secondary master cylinder (SMC) is removed or the SMC has no brake fluid flow or connections, this recall does not apply. Note these facts on the R.O. and return the vehicle to the customer.
Thus any Honda Dealer that goes ahead and replaces the SMC and rear master cylinder under warranty and submits the claim to Mother Honda is committing fraud. Like many of you guys I don't want parts replaced that don't even function and in my case my Hannigan 180 front end messed with when it's taken several trips to the factory to get it in good shape. If I take mine in I will insist that it be inspected and not worked on if the recall does not apply.
In fact I'm going to call the Honda tech-line at 1-800-421-1900 option 9 which is an option when the above criteria holds (under SMC removed or........). I'll report back if they talk to me. Ride Safe. Doc ThumbUp
A gentleman at the given number did agree that it is excluded from the recall based on what I told him but this is a Dealer Tech-Line thus he gave the number for Motorcycle Customer Support which is on the recall letter.
They both confirmed that the recall does not apply under the SMC statements in the service bulletin.
NOTE: Southern Honda built my 2014 Gen II Hannigan Trike and they have informed me that Honda will be replacing the SMC, RMC and brake fluid as specified in the Honda Recall Bulletin. Thus my above interpretation and info from other sources seems to be incorrect. Hope this helps.
Doc
GL1800 #23 Revised December 11, 2015
states under:
Trike Conversions or Modified Brakes:
If secondary master cylinder (SMC) is removed or the SMC has no brake fluid flow or connections, this recall does not apply. Note these facts on the R.O. and return the vehicle to the customer.
Thus any Honda Dealer that goes ahead and replaces the SMC and rear master cylinder under warranty and submits the claim to Mother Honda is committing fraud. Like many of you guys I don't want parts replaced that don't even function and in my case my Hannigan 180 front end messed with when it's taken several trips to the factory to get it in good shape. If I take mine in I will insist that it be inspected and not worked on if the recall does not apply.
In fact I'm going to call the Honda tech-line at 1-800-421-1900 option 9 which is an option when the above criteria holds (under SMC removed or........). I'll report back if they talk to me. Ride Safe. Doc ThumbUp
A gentleman at the given number did agree that it is excluded from the recall based on what I told him but this is a Dealer Tech-Line thus he gave the number for Motorcycle Customer Support which is on the recall letter.
They both confirmed that the recall does not apply under the SMC statements in the service bulletin.
NOTE: Southern Honda built my 2014 Gen II Hannigan Trike and they have informed me that Honda will be replacing the SMC, RMC and brake fluid as specified in the Honda Recall Bulletin. Thus my above interpretation and info from other sources seems to be incorrect. Hope this helps.
Doc
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Not sure about the issue in general.. I am totally confused. Just went to two Honda dealers... All was almost fine till I told them the bike had just been triked... The first dealer needed the bike has to be in there shop before they would order theO part. But both dealers claimed that it could take up to a month to get the part than it would be a week to repair... OK guess I will have to live with that..
Now the real problem..
Once I told them the bike was triked a red flag was raised... I was instructed that I would be getting a bill for the recall if it was longer than 3 hours since the bike has been triked.. My luck the bike has just been triked (with a Hannigan kit ) and only had it a week when I received the recall..
Has anyone else run into this problem with the recall ???
Now the real problem..
Once I told them the bike was triked a red flag was raised... I was instructed that I would be getting a bill for the recall if it was longer than 3 hours since the bike has been triked.. My luck the bike has just been triked (with a Hannigan kit ) and only had it a week when I received the recall..
Has anyone else run into this problem with the recall ???
Hey Jim...
Just curious - for our Lehman Monarch II on a 2008 GL1800 - triked brand new at the dealer - not ABS --we are 2nd owner --- are the brakes still linked?
Thanks!
Carla and Jim
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I thought the recall was only on the SMC not the primary rear master cylinder? It my understanding that they are only replacing the SMC not the primary rear master cylinder, from what I have read. If they are replacing the primary rear master cylinder, can to lead me by the nose to where it says that in the recall notice?
Thanks for the help.
Nuc
Thanks for the help.
Nuc
Go to Solidbob's post #24 and the website he gives shows copies of the actual letter that I received from Honda stating what is to be replaced if the recall applies. Doc
Lee H. Mann
Gone But Not Forgotten
Your brake system is still linked so a visit to the Honda dealer is needed. You may not have a brake issue and may never have a brake issue in the future in regards to the SMC but Honda and their dealers are responsible to carry out this recall. And even if the SMC is inoperative such as in the Champion equivalent, I think it would behoove the Honda dealers to replace the SMC even if it is totally useless. If that motorcycle/trike is taken to the dealer for the recall and that recall is not performed, if that SMC ends up someplace down the road on another motorcycle and fails, I would say that Honda could certainly have a problem.
If anything, you get a free brake fluid flush for all your troubles and the knowledge that you can resell your Goldwing or trade it in without worrying about outstanding recalls.
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- #43
For those of you that have Hannigan kits installed, I refer you to my thread on the Hannigan site that dealt specifically with that issue. Doc and I have also been in contact with each other about it. Hannigan's final response clarifies the issue.
This summer I was having problems with the brakes on my Lehman and they by-passed the secondary and after 2 weeks the rear brakes was locking up, I took it back and they had to replace the secondary master cylinder. So it does affect the rear brakes.
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- #46
Id still have it, your VIN checked by Honda cant hurt just might cost some time.
Now if you have the receipts from the repairs. Honda might reimburse you for most if not all the charges.
I have sent all to Honda
Anybody notice in the recall, Honda is telling us this is all caused by old brake fluid building up "sediment" Just saying.................
Apparently, Mother Honda must be correct in telling us to change brake fluid every 12K or 2yrs!
Interesting because how often do you change brake fluid in your cage????
Apparently, Mother Honda must be correct in telling us to change brake fluid every 12K or 2yrs!
Interesting because how often do you change brake fluid in your cage????
Recall
I also received my notice and I called the local Honda dealer and they told me my Roadsmith is not on the recall. I then called Honda and they said they were not sure but to still have it inspected so that the VIN number of my Trike can be removed from there list.
I also received my notice and I called the local Honda dealer and they told me my Roadsmith is not on the recall. I then called Honda and they said they were not sure but to still have it inspected so that the VIN number of my Trike can be removed from there list.
Sounds like another Dealer that doesn't have the latest Recall Notice #23 Revised / go to page three of this Thread and find my Post with this Recall Listed and Print it out.... it does have Sections Marked NEW that talk all about trike conversions, and bleeding procedures and gives you a list of items to be replaced even on your Roadsmith and my Roadsmith so dealers that blow you off saying nothing needs to be redone are just wrong / as Mother Honda is replacing the SMC & the Rear Master Cylinder along with dis-assembly , cleaning and flushing the system / most dealers that have your peace of mind while doing this also flush out the front brakes & hydralic clutch also / there already there and Honda furnishes plenty of Dot 4 Honda Pro Brake fluid.
Get it done right..... my dealer appreciated me taking them a copy ( well maybe not) but once the manager got involved all was on a different level of Thank You.... and sorry!! He did find some extra parts and an excess of Dot 4 Pro Fluid.... when he went and checked, next he was re-checking the recalls he had already done to make sure they were correct... so don't think all dealers stay up to date.... ask to see the Recall they are going to do for you..... if its not #23 Revised dated December 11th.... show then your paperwork.....
I'd be willing to bet that folks that got some of the first Recalls might have got missed on some things that are now added..... Read your work orders and compare to the Parts List in #23 Revised
Just some FYI
Get it done right..... my dealer appreciated me taking them a copy ( well maybe not) but once the manager got involved all was on a different level of Thank You.... and sorry!! He did find some extra parts and an excess of Dot 4 Pro Fluid.... when he went and checked, next he was re-checking the recalls he had already done to make sure they were correct... so don't think all dealers stay up to date.... ask to see the Recall they are going to do for you..... if its not #23 Revised dated December 11th.... show then your paperwork.....
I'd be willing to bet that folks that got some of the first Recalls might have got missed on some things that are now added..... Read your work orders and compare to the Parts List in #23 Revised
Just some FYI
Recall
I will travel a little further to another Honda Dealer as this one in Etown, Ky will not even work on a trike if it involves anything with the back end of the bike. I suspect it is because he has no idea where to begin. I have used them twice for tire replacement on the front of the bike and had to take it back. Once for not hooking back up the ring of fire and this most recent for a scraping noise when I enter into a right hand curve. I called them and they said that is normal for a Goldwing. What an answer!! I have driven this trike for approx. 6000 miles and never had that noise before. I have not taken it back but will have to pull the front fender to inspect what is rubbing on the rotor. I suspect something to have with delinking the brake system and whatever it is, it is now rubbing. I have no confidence in them messing with trike anymore. I have however taken your advice and ran a copy of the recall notice and when the weather breaks for spring, I will follow up with another dealer. Thanks for the info. When I had the trike in this latest time for the tire replacement, I ask them to bleed the back brakes as my pedal seems soft and braking power has diminished but again as I said, they told me they do not work on trike kits and bleeding the back brakes is part of that. This is a new 2015 Roadsmith so the pads are new, calipers new, etc. etc.
I will travel a little further to another Honda Dealer as this one in Etown, Ky will not even work on a trike if it involves anything with the back end of the bike. I suspect it is because he has no idea where to begin. I have used them twice for tire replacement on the front of the bike and had to take it back. Once for not hooking back up the ring of fire and this most recent for a scraping noise when I enter into a right hand curve. I called them and they said that is normal for a Goldwing. What an answer!! I have driven this trike for approx. 6000 miles and never had that noise before. I have not taken it back but will have to pull the front fender to inspect what is rubbing on the rotor. I suspect something to have with delinking the brake system and whatever it is, it is now rubbing. I have no confidence in them messing with trike anymore. I have however taken your advice and ran a copy of the recall notice and when the weather breaks for spring, I will follow up with another dealer. Thanks for the info. When I had the trike in this latest time for the tire replacement, I ask them to bleed the back brakes as my pedal seems soft and braking power has diminished but again as I said, they told me they do not work on trike kits and bleeding the back brakes is part of that. This is a new 2015 Roadsmith so the pads are new, calipers new, etc. etc.
Jeff,
The rubbing or scraping could be rotor or ring of fire as it sounds like when your wheel was off for the tire change they didn't line up the wheel (centered) between the rotors prior to tightening so therefore its offset to one side so when the pressure pushes on the closest side it rubs. Hopefully they put on a trike recommended tire and balanced it.. I doubt they did!! Has nothing to do with the Roadsmith unlinked brakes...who did your kit? Maybe someone below....
Better news is you have a few choices of Roadsmith installers close to you, if you have a trailer I would just take it by the dealer you choose. Below is a list based on your Zip Code for Roadsmith installers.... I am not familiar with any of these guys so start with the closest one, make a phone call and question them about what you want done until you find one you like. There are a few Honda Dealers Listed below that should be able to handle anything on the Roadsmith including the RECALL.....
This takes you to Roadsmith : http://www.trikeshop.com/ and the list below is from the Dealer Locator also on the website!!!! I used Zip - 40155
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| Mortons Motor Sports - Installing Dealer | Louisville | KY | 40209 | 502-366-4440 | - | 22 Miles |
| Steves American Cycle - Full Dealer | Rockport | IN | 47635 | 812-649-4402 | - | 60 Miles |
| Alvaton Garage - Full Dealer | Alvaton | KY | 42122 | 270-996-1024 | - | 77 Miles |
| Bikes-N-Trikes - Installing Dealer | Boggstown | IN | 46110 | 317-835-4544 | - | 113 Miles |
| Chopper Works - Installing Dealer | Milford | OH | 45150 | 513-554-1222 | - | 127 Miles |
| Cycles & Stuff - Full Dealer | Murfreesboro | TN | 37129 | 615-893-3600 | - | 143 Miles |
| Grumpys Goldwing Service - Full Dealer | Thorntown | IN | 46071 | 866-510-7433 | - | 155 Miles |
| Indian Motorcycle of Lafayette - Full Dealer | Lafayette | IN | 47905 | (765) 449-7122 | - | 177 Miles |
| Harmon Motor Sales - Installing Dealer | Ironton | OH | 45638 | 740-532-9033 | - | 185 Miles |
| Edge Custom Cycles - Installing Dealer | Morristown | TN | 37813 | 423-254-1800 | - | 193 Miles |
| Baxters Harley Davidson - Installing Dealer | Bidwell | OH | 45614 | 740-446-6336 | - | 211 Miles |
| Greeneville Honda - Installing Dealer | Greeneville | TN | 37745 | 423-639-2671 | - | 211 Miles |
| Independent Motorsports - Full Dealer | Columbus | OH | 43207 | (614) 917-1350 | - | 211 Miles |
| Niehaus Cycle Sales - Full Dealer | Litchfield | IL | 62056 | 1-800-373-6565 | 1 Trikes | 216 Miles |
| GP Cycle Specialties - Full Dealer | Convoy | OH | 45832 | 419-238-1776 | - | 217 Miles |
| Smoky Mountain Steel Horses - Full Dealer | Waynesville | NC | 28786 | 828-452-7276 | - | 236 Miles |
| Honda of Ottawa - Installing Dealer | Ottawa | OH | 45875 | 419-523-6820 | - | 237 Miles |
| Bluff Powersports - Full Dealer | Poplar Bluff | MO | 63901 | 573-785-0146 | - | 256 Miles |
| Complete Cycle - Full Dealer | Rome | GA | 30165 | (706) 331-9783 | - | 256 M |
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Lee H. Mann
Gone But Not Forgotten
The cause of the rubbing may be the left front brake rotor rubbing the inside of the left fork, the same rotor rubbing the caliper or the same rotor rubbing the ring of fire because the lower bracket is out of alignment. You should be able to see the first two possibilities by removing the LF ring of fire.
Before you do that just jack the wheel off the ground and rotate while pushing slightly against the bottom of LF ring of fire.
Brake Recall
See edit update to my post on page 4 in this thread dated 12-22-2015 regarding my 2014 Gen II Hannigan...SMC, RMC and fluid to be replaced by Honda.
See edit update to my post on page 4 in this thread dated 12-22-2015 regarding my 2014 Gen II Hannigan...SMC, RMC and fluid to be replaced by Honda.
bikerbillone
3000+ Posts
Taking your bike/trike to a Honda is a gamble every time. Dealer did my recall, got the foot brake lever way too low, adjusting that was a major pain. All the bolts were over torqued, and one stripped. It's amazing what those people can do. Guess I'm lucky to come out with so little damage.
Why was the foot brake pedal position "messed" with?????
bikerbillone
3000+ Posts
I have no clue, they installed a new brake cylinder in that area. Talking with the mech that actually does the work, almost impossible. I'd rather fix the problem they create than go back and forth with the dealer, that's a waste of my time.
I agree Bill, that's why it's always a good idea once you find a good mechanic you trust / keep track of him / they're always being sought after by others... I try to keep THEIR PHONE NUMBER so if they move I can check in to where.... at least your tech hopefully got it all back together / time for the personal follow-up LOOK AROUND !! To see if anything else was wrong... mainly look for leaks....
If you look at the diagrams on the Rear Master Cylinder prior to removal from the frame it should be marked on the spline it was set to for easy re-assembly and should have been measured for distance prior to removal from the frame.... that not being done its a crap shoot where he slide it back on, but it has to have the correct clearance.
bikerbillone
3000+ Posts
Right on Bob, I have a GW guru that lives about 5 miles from me, but we are both getting long in the tooth, so I'm not sure how much longer I can depend on him. I look under the machine every time I park it for any length of time and hold my breath. I must say though, it does stop, and there seems to be no binding rolling it in neutral; so, I'm quite thankful for that.
Trike recall done on mine
Took one week for local dealer to get parts and left trike for 1 day and its all done and works well, just a thought if you do not have the recall done and go to sell or trade your trike you will possibly be asked if recall is done, no proof in writing from Honda you might not be able to sell or trade, this is a NTSB deal so even Honda cannot sell or consign a non completed bike, like I said just a thought for those that do no care to have it done. If you have a private or other dealer do it (if they can even get parts for it from Honda ) make sure you have paperwork and keep a file copy.
Took one week for local dealer to get parts and left trike for 1 day and its all done and works well, just a thought if you do not have the recall done and go to sell or trade your trike you will possibly be asked if recall is done, no proof in writing from Honda you might not be able to sell or trade, this is a NTSB deal so even Honda cannot sell or consign a non completed bike, like I said just a thought for those that do no care to have it done. If you have a private or other dealer do it (if they can even get parts for it from Honda ) make sure you have paperwork and keep a file copy.
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