Starting in gear?

[Snickers1948]

New problem showed up just yesterday. I usually park in-gear and then use Neutral for starting. But I decided to start in first since I was just going 2 blocks to the store. Pull clutch, set hand brake and it started just fine.

Exit grocery, pack items in trunk, hop on and nuttiin. Pulled clutch several times, pushed brake couple times, zip, zilch, nada, ain’t happening. So I put in neutral and started and got home.

This AM, first thing, started in-gear fine. After 10 min ride to Lowe’s, nothing, zip, zilch, nada. Had to use Neutral again.

Dealersays probably the handlebar cluster on Left side.

Good news, it starts in Neutral. Bad news, left Handlebar cluster backordered till 8 Dec for dealer.

 

[Bikerbozo]

Even though my TG is older, I would recommend turning the ignition switch OFF then back ON. Never did it at dealer, but I usually can start after doing that once if at first it didn’t start.

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

I have had my left switch pack replaced because of poor idle issues.Unless I hold both brakes tight mine wont start in gear.The switch packs are a issue because everything runs thru the ECM and or the Canbus system.

 

[hardwickbv]

Just had my Left switch pack replaced under warranty last Friday.

It was on backorder for 6 weeks before I got it.

Tech said that although Harley won't admit they are having a lot of trouble with that switch pack.

It is the clutch switch that is in it that is the problem

Bob

 

[hdgeo]

start in gear

My 17 TG had to have the switch replaced.

Would not start in gear.

Now no problem.

have the dealer replace the switch.

ride safe

Geo

 

[wiltat2]

Mine has had to be replaced 3 times in the year and 2 months I have had it. It definatly is an issue that HD needs to do something about.

 

[DK Custom Products]

Mine has had to be replaced 3 times in the year and 2 months I have had it. It definatly is an issue that HD needs to do something about.

Yep, this problem has been going on for years. I've had at least one replaced on every bike I've had since I first experienced the problem on my 2009 Ultra. Did not have this problem before 2009.

You would think HD could save some money by purchasing a bit higher quality components.

Kevin

 

[wiltat2]

Yep, this problem has been going on for years. I've had at least one replaced on every bike I've had since I first experienced the problem on my 2009 Ultra. Did not have this problem before 2009.

You would think HD could save some money by purchasing a bit higher quality components.

Kevin

I never had this problem on my 2009 Tri-Glide or my 2010 Ultra. The 2017 Tri-Glide is the first one I have had the problem with.

 

[rhino 2]

You would think HD could save some money by purchasing a bit higher quality components.

Kevin

Out side of the labor.$.....They 'Harley just sends the defected part back to the Manufacture and they they the Manufacture has to eat it....

 

[Papa Zook]

Out side of the labor.$.....They 'Harley just sends the defected part back to the Manufacture and they they the Manufacture has to eat it....

China..

 

[Jack Klarich]

Harley outsmarted itself again

In 2009 with the frame change to the baggers along came new switches

These switches are all micro switches built in to the switch half module= non serviceable

If 1 or circuit goes bad the whole switch needs to be relaced

If HD had them in stock they would be admitting they have a problem IMO

I have had 2 failures on my 15 Freewheeler

None yet on my 17

However I am pretty sure my clutch switch is heading South

 

[pioneer11]

So why is puttting it in neutral to start such a bad thing?

 

[rhino 2]

So why is puttting it in neutral to start such a bad thing?

I can only answer for me.....I never use the park-brake, And so i always park in first gear....So its easy just to pull in the cluch step on the brake hit the start button and go...

 

[DK Custom Products]

So why is puttting it in neutral to start such a bad thing?

It's probably preferable most of the time...although, like rhino 2, I park in gear and most of the time start in gear.

BUT...I have read of guys that have been in an intersection and inadvertently stalled (and could only start in neutral). When that happens, one is vulnerable to getting hit, having to go thru the extra step of finding neutral before starting just lengthens the time to get out of that dangerous situation.

Related to the above...on the new bikes, the brakes need to be applied if starting in gear...not such a good idea if in traffic and rolling...then you have to slow/stop to get moving again.

Kevin

 

[ultrafxr]

It's probably preferable most of the time...although, like rhino 2, I park in gear and most of the time start in gear.

BUT...I have read of guys that have been in an intersection and inadvertently stalled (and could only start in neutral). When that happens, one is vulnerable to getting hit, having to go thru the extra step of finding neutral before starting just lengthens the time to get out of that dangerous situation.

Related to the above...on the new bikes, the brakes need to be applied if starting in gear...not such a good idea if in traffic and rolling...then you have to slow/stop to get moving again.

Kevin

Good points all and I do agree. But from a cold start I always do start in neutral since the clutch plates tend to drag after sitting a while. May not notice it on newer bikes that require you to hold the brake when starting in gear but if you've ever done a cold start on a bike that did not have the lock out feature and you did not hold the brake you no doubt noticed how the bike lurched forward a bit when doing a cold start in gear. I think this is added strain on the starter. But once everything is warmed up if I have to stop I do start up in gear.

BTW I have gotten in the habit of using my parking brake even though I do always park in gear. I guess it's a belt and suspenders kind of thing. Just added insurance I guess.

 

[DK Custom Products]

Good points all and I do agree. But from a cold start I always do start in neutral since the clutch plates tend to drag after sitting a while. May not notice it on newer bikes that require you to hold the brake when starting in gear but if you've ever done a cold start on a bike that did not have the lock out feature and you did not hold the brake you no doubt noticed how the bike lurched forward a bit when doing a cold start in gear. I think this is added strain on the starter. But once everything is warmed up if I have to stop I do start up in gear.

BTW I have gotten in the habit of using my parking brake even though I do always park in gear. I guess it's a belt and suspenders kind of thing. Just added insurance I guess.

Agree with you 100%. Just lazy sometimes.

Directly related...my Softail has had a weak factory starter from day 1. If it is cold, I pretty much have to start in neutral, since the starter has a really hard time turning over with the extra drag from the cold oil on the clutch plates.

Kevin

 

[Phu Cat]

Absolutely no doubt about there being extra strain on the entire starting system when stating in gear. I ALWAYS park my bike in gear, hop on and move the bike slightly in which ever direction it needs to go to take the strain off the drive train then hit the starter. Over the years it's become 2nd nature to find the sweet spot.

PC

 

[Snickers1948]

Update! On 6 Dec I went in to dealer to ck on status of switchpack. ( 8 Dec was backorder date). The switchpack was still backorder with 20 Dec as the new date. TODAY, just for something to do, I stoped again to check and the backorder date is now the 29 of December.. Seems every time I check the update, the backorder date moves another 10 days farther.

Hope thisis just just a temporary problem with the part.

 

[DK Custom Products]

Update! On 6 Dec I went in to dealer to ck on status of switchpack. ( 8 Dec was backorder date). The switchpack was still backorder with 20 Dec as the new date. TODAY, just for something to do, I stoped again to check and the backorder date is now the 29 of December.. Seems every time I check the update, the backorder date moves another 10 days farther.

Hope thisis just just a temporary problem with the part.

Hope they get you fixed up soon.

Moving backorder dates are usually an indication of a widespread issue. I've been thru it in the past with compensators and rear brake light sending units...this is when they were having a high rate of failures.

Also, sometimes HD changes suppliers, which can cause a hiccup in their inventory levels.

Kevin

 

[topsgt75]

Had the same issue develop on my '17 Tri Glide last month. Dealer "could not duplicate" the problem first time. Second time in they could duplicate it.. Switch pack was on "backorder" then, so I opted and paid a little in difference and had illuminated switch packs put on!!!! Dealer had them in stock!

 

[Snickers1948]

Service called and left message. Part (switchpack, Lt) due in Monday Said he will call when he gets it in his hands and set appointment for repair! I hope I’m number one on the wait list!

 

[Snickers1948]

Update, bike dropped off for Lt switchpack replacement since it won’t start “in-gear”.

Recieved text, “Bike is ready, clutch AND brake must be used to start in gear”

Drove to dealer and was told “Harley added Safety feature to trike, we started it several times and it works the way HD says”

Bike pushed out, key ON, bike in gear, clutch AND brake pulled,.....NADA.....ZIP......NUTTIN HAPPENIN.......

Service Tech comes out, repeats “ clutch AND brake yada yada yada,

Put bike in-gear, pullclutch and brake .... NADA ....ZIP .....NUTTIN.

The saga continues.......

 

[Jack Klarich]

Update, bike dropped off for Lt switchpack replacement since it won’t start “in-gear”.

Recieved text, “Bike is ready, clutch AND brake must be used to start in gear”

Drove to dealer and was told “Harley added Safety feature to trike, we started it several times and it works the way HD says”

Bike pushed out, key ON, bike in gear, clutch AND brake pulled,.....NADA.....ZIP......NUTTIN HAPPENIN.......

Service Tech comes out, repeats “ clutch AND brake yada yada yada,

Put bike in-gear, pullclutch and brake .... NADA ....ZIP .....NUTTIN.

The saga continues.......

Can the dealer confirm with you there that this is a fix?

If not find another dealer JMO

 

[Snickers1948]

Update the Update......

Dealer called, they replaced the Lt switchpack after putting bike on computer to verify problem

1. They tested bike befor Christmas as said bad switchpack. Was placed on order.

2. Switchpack arrived last week so appointment for made for today.

3. Dropped off bike yesterday in PM

4. Tech didn’t connect Computer this AM and bike started several times

5. When I went to pickup, it didn’t start so I came back to the house.

6. Thirty minutes later, “tech” connected computer and confirmed bad switchpack, Changed and bike was ready for pickup WITH APOLOGY FOR INCONVENIENCE.

Tomorrow I will ask the obvious question,,,,,,,

WHY DIDNT TECH CHECK THE SERVICE HISTORY AND INSTALL SWITCHPACK THIS MORNING AND SAVE ME TWO TRIPS TO THE DEALERSHIP.?.?

This is the closest dealer to me in Tampa. Area, but they will have to really step up their game to work on my trike again, even on warranty.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Update the Update......

Dealer called, they replaced the Lt switchpack after putting bike on computer to verify problem

1. They tested bike befor Christmas as said bad switchpack. Was placed on order.

2. Switchpack arrived last week so appointment for made for today.

3. Dropped off bike yesterday in PM

4. Tech didn’t connect Computer this AM and bike started several times

5. When I went to pickup, it didn’t start so I came back to the house.

6. Thirty minutes later, “tech” connected computer and confirmed bad switchpack, Changed and bike was ready for pickup WITH APOLOGY FOR INCONVENIENCE.

Tomorrow I will ask the obvious question,,,,,,,

WHY DIDNT TECH CHECK THE SERVICE HISTORY AND INSTALL SWITCHPACK THIS MORNING AND SAVE ME TWO TRIPS TO THE DEALERSHIP.?.?

This is the closest dealer to me in Tampa. Area, but they will have to really step up their game to work on my trike again, even on warranty.

I dunno, but a guess

The dealer is charging back the MOCO on several warranty tickets?

If that is the case I would talk with the GM and see what they will do for wasting your time

 

[Snickers1948]

Finally Success !!!

Bike reconnected to computer, switch good, Bike disconnected...NO Start in gear,

Reconnected to computer..... switch failed....

Switch replaced and VVVVAAARRRROOOOOOOOMMMMM.

No t shirt or cup of coffee for the inconvenience. Didn’t make a fuss, just won’t take bike back for service or warranty!

P.S. Service writer says he watched the tech do the work late yesterday evening just before closing and the switch ck’d good, then bad as stated by tech. I reminded them that the original problem was “intermittent” starting in gear.

 

[Triglide1950]

I've never had a problem starting my 2015 in gear. But know many riders that have experienced problems with the left cluster. I guess I've been lucky.

 

[rhino 2]

I've never had a problem starting my 2015 in gear. But know many riders that have experienced problems with the left cluster. I guess I've been lucky.

The problem is with some 17's/18's....[Hydraulic Clutch]

 

[ISP-FL]

Update the Update......

Dealer called, they replaced the Lt switchpack after putting bike on computer to verify problem

1. They tested bike befor Christmas as said bad switchpack. Was placed on order.

2. Switchpack arrived last week so appointment for made for today.

3. Dropped off bike yesterday in PM

4. Tech didn’t connect Computer this AM and bike started several times

5. When I went to pickup, it didn’t start so I came back to the house.

6. Thirty minutes later, “tech” connected computer and confirmed bad switchpack, Changed and bike was ready for pickup WITH APOLOGY FOR INCONVENIENCE.

Tomorrow I will ask the obvious question,,,,,,,

WHY DIDNT TECH CHECK THE SERVICE HISTORY AND INSTALL SWITCHPACK THIS MORNING AND SAVE ME TWO TRIPS TO THE DEALERSHIP.?.?

This is the closest dealer to me in Tampa. Area, but they will have to really step up their game to work on my trike again, even on warranty.

Mine started doing the same thing a couple months ago. It may start in gear for a week or so and then it won't for a couple days. I'm waiting until just before my warranty expired because I should be right at 20,000 miles, to take it in.

I bought my TG at Six Bends (Ft. Myers) but the few times I have needed something I drive up to Black Widow (Port Charlotte). I wouldn't let Six Bends check the air in my tires!

 

[vito]

Mine started doing the same thing a couple months ago. It may start in gear for a week or so and then it won't for a couple days. I'm waiting until just before my warranty expired because I should be right at 20,000 miles, to take it in.

I bought my TG at Six Bends (Ft. Myers) but the few times I have needed something I drive up to Black Widow (Port Charlotte). I wouldn't let Six Bends check the air in my tires!

H-D used to talk to customers directly. Perhaps they still do, or via HOG. If you have a really bad dealer it might be worth a try.