SE tuner questions

[dafoot2]

Ok I'll scrap the map I was using and go with the map you suggested. Reading the components of the 044AAO003, it shows flat top Pistons and a part number, would that have negative effects? I know the big bore cylinders just charged it to a103, but I think that's why I skipped that one I know the acr can be enabled but figured the Pistons strong couldn't be changed.

If I remember right when I first got the new cam and called TTS he was going to email me the current map. But then I told him that I was using the sert and he said it won't work. Maybe I can have him email to me anyway and I can forward it to you.

I'd start with 044AAO003, this is the Stage 1 map for 2010 - 2013 1690 displacement. The blubbering is a rich spot and the backfiring was the richness and to late of timing causing some of the combustion to take place when the exhaust valve was opening. I'd stick with the Stage 1 map as a start and tune from there.

I can understand the folks at TTS not having much understanding of the SEPST, they didn't make it and I'm sure have never used it.

Speaking of displacement changes in a map, sometimes you can just bump the displacement and all will work out. Other times a closer map is better, there are things in some of these maps which go on behind the scenes, we can't see them.

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For the most part the ECM doesn't care, however there are sometimes things behind the scenes which take place we can't see.

 

[msocko3]

Ok I'll scrap the map I was using and go with the map you suggested. Reading the components of the 044AAO003, it shows flat top Pistons and a part number, would that have negative effects? I know the big bore cylinders just charged it to a103, but I think that's why I skipped that one I know the acr can be enabled but figured the Pistons strong couldn't be changed.

If I remember right when I first got the new cam and called TTS he was going to email me the current map. But then I told him that I was using the sert and he said it won't work. Maybe I can have him email to me anyway and I can forward it to you.

Essentially all the factory 103's are is SE flat top pistons in a 3.75 bore. Sometimes HD's map components can make things confusing for people. All those components are in your engine, the ACR thing is because some folks took a 96" engine and increased it to 103 with those components, the 96 doesn't come with ACR's. As you know the factory built 103 does.

If you can get your hand on a TTS map for those cams and your trike I would be interested in looking at it. I have software for TTS, SPST, PV, and even the PCV & PCIII, I've tuned with all except the PV.

 

[dafoot2]

Essentially all the factory 103's are is SE flat top pistons in a 3.75 bore. Sometimes HD's map components can make things confusing for people. All those components are in your engine, the ACR thing is because some folks took a 96" engine and increased it to 103 with those components, the 96 doesn't come with ACR's. As you know the factory built 103 does.

If you can get your hand on a TTS map for those cams and your trike I would be interested in looking at it. I have software for TTS, SPST, PV, and even the PCV & PCIII, I've tuned with all except the PV.

Just got off the phone with TTS again. He said that Wizard has the map for TTS as he has installed it. And had good results. He took my number and is going to make some calls to some Harley shops that installed this and had good results and see what they ended up using. Im guessing he frequents this forum because he mentioned wizard and he also thought that you had this cam setup and had the map already when I mentioned your screenname.

he is supposed to call me tomorrow if he gets any info. Im gonna hold off changing the map again til I hear from him.

 

[msocko3]

Just got off the phone with TTS again. He said that Wizard has the map for TTS as he has installed it. And had good results. He took my number and is going to make some calls to some Harley shops that installed this and had good results and see what they ended up using. Im guessing he frequents this forum because he mentioned wizard and
he also thought that you had this cam setup and had the map already when I mentioned your screenname.

he is supposed to call me tomorrow if he gets any info. Im gonna hold off changing the map again til I hear from him.

I wish I had the map, I know Wiz has a map. I've been trying not to bother him since he has enough on his plate. It sounds like you must have talked to Steve Cole, he's the man behind TTS. He knows Wiz because they talk on the phone quite a bit. If you can't come up with anything let me know, I'll then shoot Wiz an email to get my hands on the map.

 

[Springman2007]

I wish I had the map, I know Wiz has a map. I've been trying not to bother him since he has enough on his plate. It sounds like you must have talked to Steve Cole, he's the man behind TTS. He knows Wiz because they talk on the phone quite a bit. If you can't come up with anything let me know, I'll then shoot Wiz an email to get my hands on the map.

Hey, I would be interested in obtaining a copy of this map as well. Please.

Springman

 

[dafoot2]

I wish I had the map, I know Wiz has a map. I've been trying not to bother him since he has enough on his plate. It sounds like you must have talked to Steve Cole, he's the man behind TTS. He knows Wiz because they talk on the phone quite a bit. If you can't come up with anything let me know, I'll then shoot Wiz an email to get my hands on the map.

Never heard back from TTS, guessing he either forgot or didn't find out any information.

 

[msocko3]

That the TTS map combined for the sert with the tts100?*If it is I'll try and load it tomorrow, raining get today

Yes it is, it should get you close so you can smart tune it the rest of the way. Let me know how you make out.

 

[dafoot2]

Yes it is, it should get you close so you can smart tune it the rest of the way. Let me know how you make out.

Will do... thanks for the help

 

[msocko3]

Will do... thanks for the help

Your welcome.

 

[Springman2007]

YES! - I too want to say Thanks!

Springman

 

[msocko3]

YES! - I too want to say Thanks!

Springman

Your welcome, let me know how you make out.

 

[dafoot2]

Finally got that new map loaded. Went for a small ride about 30 minutes, with the data recording. Ran great, hardly a hiccup or backfire. Got about a 30 min data run for the first run.
That first version of the map worked good. I was trying to do the consistent throttle for the data but it was tough. The bike was strong. I was able to ride alittle after the initial data record finished and got some great torque. Even hit the highway for a small run and was impressed, that i didnt get any pops or misfires. Even decel didnt give any popping. This map is very close.
Loaded the new data in the map and loaded it up when i got home. Havent had a chance to do another data run. Excited to see after this data was loaded how it performs. I think we have a winner with this map as a starter. :clapping:
Wish I had a dyno close, would love to see the numbers this is putting out.

Thanks again msocko

 

[msocko3]

Finally got that new map loaded. Went for a small ride about 30 minutes, with the data recording. Ran great, hardly a hiccup or backfire. Got about a 30 min data run for the first run.
That first version of the map worked good. I was trying to do the consistent throttle for the data but it was tough. The bike was strong. I was able to ride alittle after the initial data record finished and got some great torque. Even hit the highway for a small run and was impressed, that i didnt get any pops or misfires. Even decel didnt give any popping. This map is very close.
Loaded the new data in the map and loaded it up when i got home. Havent had a chance to do another data run. Excited to see after this data was loaded how it performs. I think we have a winner with this map as a starter. :clapping:
Wish I had a dyno close, would love to see the numbers this is putting out.

Thanks again msocko

Niceepper:. I love it when a plan comes together. Sometime down the road if you happen to see Wiz hanging around thank him also, I got the TTS map from him so I could make the SEPST map for guys.

 

[wwcar53]

SEPST Tuner

Niceepper:. I love it when a plan comes together. Sometime down the road if you happen to see Wiz hanging around thank him also, I got the TTS map from him so I could make the SEPST map for guys.

Hi Msock03 I have a 2014 Harley Trike 103 and have the SEPST Tuner with Vance and Hines header dresser dual and exhaust it has the stage 1 air intake from Harley I would really like to get the new program from you for my bike Thanks

 

[msocko3]

Hi Msock03 I have a 2014 Harley Trike 103 and have the SEPST Tuner with Vance and Hines header dresser dual and exhaust it has the stage 1 air intake from Harley I would really like to get the new program from you for my bike Thanks

Are you installing the TTS-100 cams? The map I provided for those guys is for the TTS-100 cams. If all your doing is the stage 1, all you have to do is upload the stage 1 map and smart tune it from there.

 

[dafoot2]

Niceepper:. I love it when a plan comes together. Sometime down the road if you happen to see Wiz hanging around thank him also, I got the TTS map from him so I could make the SEPST map for guys.

Definitely will thank wizard, and also thank him for the cam post. Talk about a difference wow.

 

[Springman2007]

OK, Vicki at TTS called yesterday and told me they are just about ready to ship the next batch of TTS-100 cams out. Should be getting one just before the July 4th Holiday. epper:epper:epper:

So now, I will have the SE Super Tuner, CAMs and the Map! (refer to post #37) - I will go talk to the Folks at Roeders again and after the 4th and get my Freewheeler upgrade and tuned......

Springman

 

[msocko3]

OK, Vicki at TTS called yesterday and told me they are just about ready to ship the next batch of TTS-100 cams out. Should be getting one just before the July 4th Holiday. epper:epper:epper: So now, I will have the SE Super Tuner, CAMs and the Map! (refer to post #37) - I will go talk to the Folks at Roeders again and after the 4th and get my Freewheeler upgrade and tuned...... Springman

Nice, you'll have to let us know how it all turns out.

 

[eighty80]

"Roeders" good people. They will get it right.

 

[dafoot2]

Niceepper:. I love it when a plan comes together. Sometime down the road if you happen to see Wiz hanging around thank him also, I got the TTS map from him so I could make the SEPST map for guys.

Looks like I spoke too quick. Took a three hour trip. Bike was sputtering and popping when I first started out in the morning. It seems like I had to blip the throttle to keep it from stalling. Seemed to be running hot right away. Once on the g highway we did about 75-80 and it was ok unless I tried to go wide open throttle then it would sputter a bit. I got 35mpg on the way there.




Ive got a big trip planned for July and can't have it running*
this way .




My plan is gonna have to be get it to a dyno I think. Or
Another thing I wss thinking is go with the tts tuner and the map that was made for it.
Not sure what way to go, but its getting embarrassing all the sputtering and backfiring I'm getting while trying too ride.




The closest dyno is almost 1 1/2 hours away so I would have to drop it and leave it I'm sure.




Amy opinion on which way to go with this.
Hate for the dyno guy to start and say he can't get a tune because there is no map for the tts-100

 

[dafoot2]

Niceepper:. I love it when a plan comes together. Sometime down the road if you happen to see Wiz hanging around thank him also, I got the TTS map from him so I could make the SEPST map for guys.

Went ahead and gave the Harley dealer a call turns out they're open on Sunday.they can get me in next weekend Dyno he told me will be 240 total no matter how long it takes. I'm afraid this may take long.they said it shouldn't matter what kind of cam is in there, but they did request some sort of specs like the lift.

Gonna go ahead and give it a try.*
Any idea where I could get maybe some specs,I know they haven't been posted but I'd like to give them some sort of reference. TTS said it was comparable to a se255, but that map got me nowhere before.

 

[geezerglide11441]

Went ahead and gave the Harley dealer a call turns out they're open on Sunday.they can get me in next weekend Dyno he told me will be 240 total no matter how long it takes. I'm afraid this may take long.they said it shouldn't matter what kind of cam is in there, but they did request some sort of specs like the lift.

Gonna go ahead and give it a try.*
Any idea where I could get maybe some specs,I know they haven't been posted but I'd like to give them some sort of reference. TTS said it was comparable to a se255, but that map got me nowhere before.

The trouble you are having is exactly the reason I ask for the cam specs early on (when the MAGIC CAM) was introduced and was told they are not publishing the specs!! Funny, I think when one is designing a build that the cam specs are a very important part of the design information. I still find it strange after this long that TTS still will not provide the specs for their product. Good luck with that!!

Roger

 

[msocko3]

Went ahead and gave the Harley dealer a call turns out they're open on Sunday.they can get me in next weekend Dyno he told me will be 240 total no matter how long it takes. I'm afraid this may take long.they said it shouldn't matter what kind of cam is in there, but they did request some sort of specs like the lift.

Gonna go ahead and give it a try.*
Any idea where I could get maybe some specs,I know they haven't been posted but I'd like to give them some sort of reference. TTS said it was comparable to a se255, but that map got me nowhere before.

Lets see if this turns out, here are the specs on the cam in txt format. They should be able to tune it without a problem, its odd how it was running better, and now its not, makes me wonder if something else is going on.

 

[Springman2007]

Lets see if this turns out, here are the specs on the cam in txt format. They should be able to tune it without a problem, its odd how it was running better, and now its not, makes me wonder if something else is going on.

Thanks for the info! I will pass it on to the folks at Roeders when I get mine done.....
(I have to admit that the fact that they would not publish specs has left me wondering some as well. But, I think the folks at Roeders can work with just about anything and as long as I make an effort to get them all the info I can; they can and will make it happen.

Springman

 

[dafoot2]

Lets see if this turns out, here are the specs on the cam in txt format. They should be able to tune it without a problem, its odd how it was running better, and now its not, makes me wonder if something else is going on.

This is great. I'll print it out and bring it with.*
Yea I've been wondering about the something else, I do know it was very hot this past weekend. I'm hoping they will get this right. And if it's something else it will pop up..
I too was curious on the specs, but I'm hoping this will help them dyno this right.

Taking it in this weekend, hoping for the best.

 

[Springman2007]

Lets see if this turns out, here are the specs on the cam in txt format.

MSOCKO3, I put that data in PDF format:


See if this is OK?

Springman

 

[geezerglide11441]

Lets see if this turns out, here are the specs on the cam in txt format. They should be able to tune it without a problem, its odd how it was running better, and now its not, makes me wonder if something else is going on.

Thanks for the Cam Spec info Mike, been curious for some time!! Most certainly would not work with my build, or any other build with a compression upgrade (as I see it anyway!!), but should be a low end grunt cam for stock motors that only want to do a cam change.

Thanks again, Roger

 

[Steve Cole]

Just for general knowledge and not to get into a pi$$ing match with anyone. Those specifications are incorrect and we have told people that already. The person who did them did so at home with home made equipment that leaves plenty on the table as being accurate enough for the job and at best it will give you a general idea, but that's all they are good for.

No, we will not give the real numbers out and we have very good reasons why. The camshaft design is done as a stock engine replacement using all your stock components over again. Testing has been done with very good outcomes on 103 - 113 cu in engines with measured 9.7 - 10.2 compression ratio's and ported cylinder heads. Our recommended compression ratio range is 9.5 - 10.0 :1.

A typical install into a stock103 engine with Air Cleaner and exhaust modified will get you 98 ft lbs @ 2000 RPM 112 ft lbs @ 3800 RPM and a peak Hp @ 93Hp 5250 RPM. A 110 engine moves those numbers to 106 Ft lbs at 2000 RPM 117 @ 3800 and 100 HP @ 5200 RPM.

Hope this information helps those of you that wanted to know from the horses mouth.

 

[dafoot2]

Just for general knowledge and not to get into a pi$$ing match with anyone. Those specifications are incorrect and we have told people that already. The person who did them did so at home with home made equipment that leaves plenty on the table as being accurate enough for the job and at best it will give you a general idea, but that's all they are good for.

No, we will not give the real numbers out and we have very good reasons why. The camshaft design is done as a stock engine replacement using all your stock components over again. Testing has been done with very good outcomes on 103 - 113 cu in engines with measured 9.7 - 10.2 compression ratio's and ported cylinder heads. Our recommended compression ratio range is 9.5 - 10.0 :1.

A typical install into a stock103 engine with Air Cleaner and exhaust modified will get you 98 ft lbs @ 2000 RPM 112 ft lbs @ 3800 RPM and a peak Hp @ 93Hp 5250 RPM. A 110 engine moves those numbers to 106 Ft lbs at 2000 RPM 117 @ 3800 and 100 HP @ 5200 RPM.

Hope this information helps those of you that wanted to know from the horses mouth.

Ok so why can't I tune the damn thing then. I installed this cam thinking it would improve my trike. I've ran numerous running runs and it runs like crap.

I've got a kn air filter and Vance and Hines pipes and a screaming eagle tuner that came with my trike. Nothing more.
Was told this would work. I'm hoping this 250 dollar dyno run will work to get it running right.Ran great until the cam was installed. And now I can't get some simple specs that Harley can use to tune.
Would have installed a se cam if I knew it was gonna cost me all this time and money.

 

[Steve Cole]

Ok so why can't I tune the damn thing then. I installed this cam thinking it would improve my trike. I've ran numerous running runs and it runs like crap. I've got a kn air filter and Vance and Hines pipes and a screaming eagle tuner that came with my trike. Nothing more.
Was told this would work. I'm hoping this 250 dollar dyno run will work to get it running right.Ran great until the cam was installed. And now I can't get some simple specs that Harley can use to tune.
Would have installed a se cam if I knew it was gonna cost me all this time and money.

There is nothing special when it comes to tuneing the TTS 100 camshaft in a HD bike engine if the tuner is doing there job. So with that said, who and where is your tuning being done and maybe we can help you solve what someone is doing wrong? I do not want anyone spending there dollars and not getting what you need but I cannot help it if the tuner person isn't doing there job correctly. We will help if asked.

I cannot tell someone how to operate there software but I can give them where and what to look for to get a proper tuneup going.