Super Tuner

[trikermutha]

Looks like the Super Tuner will be harder to get soon.

Harley just settled with the government for 12 million.

 

[peteg59]

Damned EPA going for the "low hanging fruit". Motorcycles are so low down on the emissions scale that it seems like a bunch of wasted time, but hey they fleeced HD for a few mil$...
What good does the EPA really do for the country?

 

[rhino 2]

Looks like the Super Tuner will be harder to get soon.

Harley just settled with the government for 12 million.

Puls 3 million more for clean burning wood stoves....Can't make that up.....:Shrug:

 

[Kaz]

As someone very new to the HD world, and wanting to do this to my trike in the near future, my concern is are they going to go after the other makers of tuners?

From what I have read they all say something about "off road use only" or "not legal in some jurisdictions", as did the HD super tuner, but that didn't stop the EPA. Maybe they only went after HD because they are the manufacturers of the bikes and the ones that certified them to meeting EPA regs. I don't know, but it's got me concerned.

Crap.

I'd get one now, but I don't see me having the money to do so until next year sometime.

 

[DK Custom Products]

This is not good news.

I wonder who is next? Dynojet? Mastertune? V&H?

V&H has already paid a big fine in Cali for their exhaust. As an Authorized V&H Dealer, we do not ship any V&H exhaust to California anymore.

The EPA is typical in their government lack of common sense. The little bit of extra pollution saved on motorcycles because of their regs is overwhelmed by the extra pollution created by parts wearing out more quickly AND by lower MPG.

Kevin

 

[rhino 2]

I would think once the dust settles most dealers will think twice about installing pipes without cats...Among other stuff.. Its called tampering with emission controls...

 

[1dn5up]

There goes the neighborhood

 

[alienwulf]

I would be concerned at some point down the road the EPA will turn their eye towards the consumer. As with cars a few decades ago there is gold in them there fines. Hope they don't start smog check on bikes. Since they think they know best and must save us from ourselves.:AGGHH:

 

[desertclassic]

It appears that was possibly a muscle flexing issue. A few years back, woods for making musical instruments was the target. I am sure before this is over with we will have to face some change. Jim

 

[DK Custom Products]

Under the agreement, Harley-Davidson said it will no longer sell the racing tuners. The company also will offer to buy back all such tuners in stock at Harley-Davidson dealerships across the country and destroy them. The company said it now will offer a different model for sale designed to comply with state and federal clean air standards.





Clint

 

[rhino 2]

I could never understand how a company can sell you a bike that was EPA Certified.... Then sell a part that they say is EPA certified and warrantee , And that part makes the bike more powerful runs cooler and gets better MPG's..You would think that they would make that part standard ...If it were a Automobile company that part would be standard... And they would advertise that fact..
Go to any car dealer and ask if they would remove the cat, Or put a tuner in for you, And see what they say.... I hope this doesn't wake up the EPA to take a closer look at Motorcycles in the future..

 

[GARYD]

I thought I read that H-D can still sell them, but to foreign countries only.

You can bet pipes are next - and soon.

Everyone knows that Harley riders are not buying the tuners for off road or track, no matter what they say. ThumbUp

 

[Sloride]

I can see them going after Dyno-Jet (Power Vision) and TTS very soon. You can bet that part of HD's deal was that the EPA stop the "other" guys from producing and selling these type of tuners. The re-tuning and new exhaust of new and used bikes is a huge part of HD's business

It might not hurt to have an extra or three rat-holed


And then it will be Superchips and Diablo they will go after

 

[Paul692]

the epa will now push the states to do emissions on all motorcycles

 

[Sidecarbill]

Obd two comin to a motorcycle shop near you!

 

[Taylor]

I could never understand how a company can sell you a bike that was EPA Certified.... Then sell a part that they say is EPA certified and warrantee , And that part makes the bike more powerful runs cooler and gets better MPG's..You would think that they would make that part standard ...If it were a Automobile company that part would be standard... And they would advertise that fact..
Go to any car dealer and ask if they would remove the cat, Or put a tuner in for you, And see what they say.... I hope this doesn't wake up the EPA to take a closer look at Motorcycles in the future..

I'm with you on that,at first I thought I was a little slow.The bikes are sold in compliance.How can they hold the company responsible for what the consumer does.Man..they'd have a fit over my old shovel.

 

[1dn5up]

Rubber stamp companies are bzy , "Not For Highway Use" or "For Off Road Use Only" or "Not Intended For Off Driveway Use" :AGGHH:

 

[Springman2007]

Actually,

All this compels the question: Will the new M8 be/have a tunable system?

And, could this ruling actually cause more and worse emissions....with no tune option, folks may be compelled to take "Other" paths... even revert to different ignitions and carbs....

EPA: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU MANAGE FOR....YOU MIGHT GET IT.....:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Springman

 

[NHBAGGER]

I have read that the new tuners are out and there are M-8 cals.

 

[HDB0B]

Don't worry .... Harley is hiring some VW Engineers for ECM software development. They will get everything to pass emissions. :laugh:

Bob

 

[DK Custom Products]

The new Pro Street Tuner is out from HD and it will do everything the Race Tuner will do, just have to use a different method to arrive at the same results.

The Power Vision is very close to being operational on the M8's also.

That being said, as we've seen, anything can happen at anytime.

Kevin

 

[arnie]

Kevin, I'm not doubting what you're saying But reading the info on the new tuner it can only view idle, accel enrichment, decel enleanment. Plus it is aprox. 160. less then the old race tuner. Just knowing H-D & the way they are, I find it hard to believe they are giving you the same for less!

 

[DK Custom Products]

Kevin, I'm not doubting what you're saying But reading the info on the new tuner it can only view idle, accel enrichment, decel enleanment. Plus it is aprox. 160. less then the old race tuner. Just knowing H-D & the way they are, I find it hard to believe they are giving you the same for less!

Here is the info I'm seeing-

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store...ance-tuner-kit

There's a lot more info at the above link, but here is a copy and paste of a key sentence-

• Adjustability to Spark Advance, Throttle progressivity, and Volumetric Efficiency to custom tune the performance combination

It allows the VE to be adjusted. When the VE is adjusted, the AFR is altered. This is not how we've done it with the Race Tuner in the past, it requires an extra step, but it can still be done.

But, better to just use the Power Vision, as we have done in years past. But for those that only want HD parts, the new tuner can be made to produce a good Stage I tune.

Kevin

 

[arnie]

All I did was read what was in the se catalog.
As far as the pv goes, does one need to sign a disclaimer to purchase? Will the pv cause me to lose the new engine warranty?

 

[Bigiron]

I was told that any modification NOT done by dealer using HD approved parts would void my warranty on my 2017 Triglide.
Still, I am waiting for Fuel Moto to come out with their cat-less exhausts and Power Commanders. I have had no luck ever getting warranty work out of HD.