Hannigan Motorsports Information Desk

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Bikerbillone hopefully it will be a bit quicker, the gentleman I spoke with may have had a skewed sense of in and out but in his words he "dropped it off, ate lunch, came back and it was roughly 30 minutes and it was done".

I'm just glad to see Honda have their dealers work on sidecar and trike conversions regardless of the recall. It is a step in a direction that all manufacturers should head toward.

 

[bikerbillone]

Concur, good of Mother Honda to fix the conversions as well. They probably could have gotten away with opting out on trikes, side cars, etc.

By the way, congrats on the new job. Sounds like your getting in some hours. Even though I ride a RS, I think you represent a fine product.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Thanks Bill. I've been here right at 3 months now but have known the owners and rode with them for some time, Amazing People in all honesty. I come from a strong motorcycling background with a degree in mechanical engineering, 20 years of machining in the Tool & Die trade as well as traveling the world doing petrochemical and nuclear machining/engineering.

Kentucky is my home and I have a deep respect for the Hannigans and their business, Dave had been wanting to bring me on for some time and in October it all panned out for him.

 

[bikerbillone]

Thumbs up and great success. Sounds like a very good fit with your creds. I have friends from KY that come to Florida every year to play in country and blue grass jams, and me with some harmonica play along as background. If I last long enough, I'll probably be giving your Hannigan a try.

 

[FRR]

FRR, my apologies on not seeing this sooner as I have been out in our assembly area with Jim Gooch building new trikes as we are extremely busy for this time of year. Myself and Jim have been out of our offices for almost 3 weeks in assembly between sidecars and trikes. I didn't have any messages on my phone or I would have given you a quick callback. Nevertheless my apologies as Herb has been handling my calls during these 10-12 hour days. I do check the email and other items from home for 1-3 hours a night after I get off as well to keep things rolling.

Regarding the recall on the secondary master cylinder on the GL1800 2001-2015, Honda is recalling all Goldwings that fit that criteria. It doesn't matter if they are stock, converted to a trike or a sidecar rig. I have spoken with 2 dealerships recently over this issue and numerous owners who have either already taken their trike in for the recall or those who are seeing if it affects them. Honda is recalling them all due to the rear brakes potentially causing drag on the rear wheel/wheels. The fix is quick for Honda generally and the last owner I spoke with stated he was "in and out" promptly after making an appointment.

My recommendation would be to take it in as a precaution and to ensure you don't have an issue down the line. Honda is good about covering a faulty product and even in the case that you had a properly functioning rear master cylinder Honda will replace it with a new one which is a win/win situation in any book.

I appreciate your response.

My tech at my local Honda dealer, who has worked on my bikes for over 30 yrs said the specific directions that Honda has given their dealers would need to be different for trikes.

He suggested that trike owners contact their respective kit manufacturer to see how each one configures their brake lines and bleeders.

That is what I am trying to get direction on.

Have you seen the specific instructions that Honda has sent to their dealers and how do those instructions need to be modified for your specific build. That is the issue..............Thank you

 

[Doc*]

Hannigan,

Why don't you have Jim Gooch write up the brake bleeding sequence and post it. That would answer FRR's question and satisfy other inquiring minds. I'm surprised that it hasn't already been done. Respectfully. Doc ThumbUp

 

[56Elwood]

Need bigger opening

On my new (to me) 2013 Gen II Goldwing trike the pictures show the amount the trunk lid opens. This is ok for filling the trunk with a lot of small items but it's not big enough to allow full helmets to be put in there. Is there a replacement/longer travel trunk strut that can be retrofitted? I love this trike, just need a little tweak here. Thanks!

 

[FRR]

Basic question....When the Hannigan kit was installed on a 2012 Gen II Wing with a 2014 kit, was the secondary master cylinder removed, or has no fluid connections or flow?? That is precisely what we need to know from Hannigan.

Owners can take it from there. But we need that information.

 

[tfdeputydawg]

John Michael
The Honda recall notice states if the SMC has no fluid flow then nothing needs to be done. I think I was told Hannigan "disconnects" front to rear link of the brakes????
So, the question becomes, is there any fluid flow through the SMC, at any time, with a Hannigan conversion?? Maybe further explanation is needed: Is there any fluid flow through the SMC when front brake lever is applied or when rear brake pedal is applied and finally if both hand and foot brakes are applied??
Thank you and good luck in your new position.

 

[FRR]

John Michael
The Honda recall notice states if the SMC has no fluid flow then nothing needs to be done. I think I was told Hannigan "disconnects" front to rear link of the brakes????
So, the question becomes, is there any fluid flow through the SMC, at any time, with a Hannigan conversion?? Maybe further explanation is needed: Is there any fluid flow through the SMC when front brake lever is applied or when rear brake pedal is applied and finally if both hand and foot brakes are applied??
Thank you and good luck in your new position.

As you can see, that is what I'm trying to get an answer to. Hannigan just tells us the things we already know. If they answer my last question I think we will know what we need to.

 

[bikerbillone]

Methinks Hannigan does not want to get between Mother Honda recall, and Hiway Safety Commission in this matter.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

I appreciate your response.

My tech at my local Honda dealer, who has worked on my bikes for over 30 yrs said the specific directions that Honda has given their dealers would need to be different for trikes.

He suggested that trike owners contact their respective kit manufacturer to see how each one configures their brake lines and bleeders.

That is what I am trying to get direction on.

Have you seen the specific instructions that Honda has sent to their dealers and how do those instructions need to be modified for your specific build. That is the issue..............Thank you

The specific instructions they are requesting is a brake bleeding procedure, which is as follows;
1.) Bleed right wheel of air until there are no bubbles in right line. Close Bleeder.
2.) Bleed left wheel of air until there are no bubbles in the line. Close Bleeder.
3.) Repeat the bleed process on both right and left wheels until there is solid rear brake pedal pressure.
4.) The rear brake should not have a "spongy" feel after the bleeding and will be firm and progressively harder to push after about 30% pedal pressure.

Hannigan,

Why don't you have Jim Gooch write up the brake bleeding sequence and post it. That would answer FRR's question and satisfy other inquiring minds. I'm surprised that it hasn't already been done. Respectfully. Doc ThumbUp

Doc

Unfortunately there are only so many hours in the day and during the holiday season with employees spending due time with their families things move a little slower in all businesses.

That being said we are trying to answer and handle all business in order of it coming in.

Basic question....When the Hannigan kit was installed on a 2012 Gen II Wing with a 2014 kit, was the secondary master cylinder removed, or has no fluid connections or flow?? That is precisely what we need to know from Hannigan.

Owners can take it from there. But we need that information.

The secondary master cylinder is still installed in its OEM position on the bike, it is capped off with no influence or interference on the rear braking system.

No aspect of the secondary master cylinder is attached and affecting the braking of the bike on the rear.

Some manufacturers request that the entire system be removed including all plumbing since it isn't used, we leave the secondary master on the bike as with the plumbing but we cap off the line that runs to the rear of the bike.

John Michael
The Honda recall notice states if the SMC has no fluid flow then nothing needs to be done. I think I was told Hannigan "disconnects" front to rear link of the brakes????
So, the question becomes, is there any fluid flow through the SMC, at any time, with a Hannigan conversion?? Maybe further explanation is needed: Is there any fluid flow through the SMC when front brake lever is applied or when rear brake pedal is applied and finally if both hand and foot brakes are applied??
Thank you and good luck in your new position.

As mentioned above the SMC has no influence during braking, this means front or rear.

So pedal usage is irrelevant in terms of functionality of the smc after the conversion.


Thank you all for your input on this as I know owners are wanting to have some input on the braking systems regarding the recall.

Since we isolate the SMC out of our braking system and use only the rear master cylinder it speeds up the time required to bleed the rear brakes and simplifies it for the owner. Just a quick right then left bleed and a followup check and you are done.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

On my new (to me) 2013 Gen II Goldwing trike the pictures show the amount the trunk lid opens. This is ok for filling the trunk with a lot of small items but it's not big enough to allow full helmets to be put in there. Is there a replacement/longer travel trunk strut that can be retrofitted? I love this trike, just need a little tweak here. Thanks!

Elwood give me a call during the day. We have a different setup that should net you an increase in trunk opening

 

[Doc*]

John Michael,

I for one wish to thank you for your response regarding the brake system. According to your response the SMC does not need to be replaced by Honda. They need only to replace the rear master cylinder and replace the fluid. I'm taking mine to Anthony Weaver at Southern Honda (Hannigan Dealership) thus they should not replace the SMC from what you report.
Ride Safe. Doc ThumbUp

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

John Michael,

I for one wish to thank you for your response regarding the brake system. According to your response the SMC does not need to be replaced by Honda. They need only to replace the rear master cylinder and replace the fluid. I'm taking mine to Anthony Weaver at Southern Honda (Hannigan Dealership) thus they should not replace the SMC from what you report.
Ride Safe. Doc ThumbUp

Southern Honda is a great dealer. I encourage all owners to take them in for the recall. If nothing else and your unit is fine/unused you will get the stamp on the frame showing you acknowledged the recall and took it in to be inspected.

 

[FRR]

The specific instructions they are requesting is a brake bleeding procedure, which is as follows;
1.) Bleed right wheel of air until there are no bubbles in right line. Close Bleeder.
2.) Bleed left wheel of air until there are no bubbles in the line. Close Bleeder.
3.) Repeat the bleed process on both right and left wheels until there is solid rear brake pedal pressure.
4.) The rear brake should not have a "spongy" feel after the bleeding and will be firm and progressively harder to push after about 30% pedal pressure.



Unfortunately there are only so many hours in the day and during the holiday season with employees spending due time with their families things move a little slower in all businesses. That being said we are trying to answer and handle all business in order of it coming in.



The secondary master cylinder is still installed in its OEM position on the bike, it is capped off with no influence or interference on the rear braking system. No aspect of the secondary master cylinder is attached and affecting the braking of the bike on the rear. Some manufacturers request that the entire system be removed including all plumbing since it isn't used, we leave the secondary master on the bike as with the plumbing but we cap off the line that runs to the rear of the bike.



As mentioned above the SMC has no influence during braking, this means front or rear. So pedal usage is irrelevant in terms of functionality of the smc after the conversion.


Thank you all for your input on this as I know owners are wanting to have some input on the braking systems regarding the recall. Since we isolate the SMC out of our braking system and use only the rear master cylinder it speeds up the time required to bleed the rear brakes and simplifies it for the owner. Just a quick right then left bleed and a followup check and you are done.

This does answer my questions and I think your response will be of value to all Hannigan customers with GL 1800 Wings.

Thank you for your time and Merry Christmas to all of you at Hannigan.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

This does answer my questions and I think your response will be of value to all Hannigan customers with GL 1800 Wings. Thank you for your time and Merry Christmas to all of you at Hannigan.

As always FRR we value the input of all our customers and potential customers in any form. We have had a busy off season this year so certain individuals are having to put excess time in other areas of the business so it took me a little time to get the accurate information onto the forum. I only get time to check this either early in the morning around 6-7am, lunch off the clock or late at night.

Also if you want a 100% full bleeding method I will describe it here;

1. Ft. left caliper upper bleed port
   
2. Ft. Right caliper lower bleed port
3. Rear caliper lower bleed port (trike brakes)
4. Rear caliper upper bleed port (line that is capped off on trikes)
5. Anti dive port on left fork leg

Location of the rear brake master cylinder is under the right side chrome cover above the driver foot rest. Keep the reservoir full when bleeding failure to do so will allow air to inter the master cylinder.

 

[nucseal]

So maybe I being thick headed in my old age. It's was my understanding that the recall is on the SMC not the primary rear master cylinder. Since the SMC is capped off during a Hannigan Conversion, there is no need to take the trike in for the recall, since the SMC is not used. Am I correct? Or is there a recall on the primary rear master cylinder as well?

Please straighten me out on this recall, because I have read both scenarios in this thread.

Thanks
Nuc

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Nucseal the recall is actually on the SMC. In the latest version on the NHTSA website it shows a replacement of the rear master cylinder with the following wording;

This repair procedure, when properly executed, will eliminate contaminants from the pedal brake system prior[/FONT] to the installation of the secondary master cylinder (SMC) parts kit. The procedure differs significantly from the Service Manual brake filling/bleeding sequence, as it includes a fluid flushing procedure and the installation of a new rear master cylinder (to ensure all contaminants are removed from the pedal brake line) before the final fluid filling and bleeding.

An official document from our company will be posted shortly describing the process and related information.

 

[nucseal]

Nucseal the recall is actually on the SMC. In the latest version on the NHTSA website it shows a replacement of the rear master cylinder with the following wording;



An official document from our company will be posted shortly describing the process and related information.

Thank you for the response
Nuc

 

[Ray H]

Trike Kit Serial Number Location

Just picked up my 2013 F6B Hannigan Trike Conversion from your dealer and need to know the location of the trike kit serial number to complete my Trike Warranty Registration Card. Your dealer was American Bike & Trike in Gilbert, AZ. They did a beautiful job on the conversion. Thanks...

Ray

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Good afternoon Ray H, for some reason my other response never got posted on Saturday. The serial plate should be visible through the right wheel. It will be a silver plate riveted to the frame.

 

[12Wing Nut]

Parking Brake

Is a parking brake normally part of the assembly for the GL1800 Gen II trike?

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Hello there,

The parking brake is not part of the base assembly. It is an additional option available for purchase unless the conversion is going out of the country where some countries require a parking brake be installed. We see maybe 1 out of 50 or so orders requesting a parking brake. Most clients are in the proper habit of leaving the bike in gear naturally when turned off which eliminates the issue altogether, that is unless there is a mechanical issue with the bike causing this not to work.

 

[12Wing Nut]

Thanks

Thanks for your response to my question!

 

[DblTrbl]

I just bought a small trailer to pull behind my trike when I get it. The trailer has a round, 5 pin female plug. Since I don't have my trike to see what the harness looks like, could you tell me if I will be needing an adapter or rewire the trailer to connect the trailer to the trike electrical connection?

The trailer had brake and license plate lights as well as turn signals. I'm not sure if the brake lights are set up to act as running lights.

Thanks

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

I just bought a small trailer to pull behind my trike when I get it. The trailer has a round, 5 pin female plug. Since I don't have my trike to see what the harness looks like, could you tell me if I will be needing an adapter or rewire the trailer to connect the trailer to the trike electrical connection?

The trailer had brake and license plate lights as well as turn signals. I'm not sure if the brake lights are set up to act as running lights.

Thanks

Good morning DblTrbl,
If it is a true 5 pin round you will need an adapter. The plugs that come on both Hannigan Motorsports trailers and trike conversions are a 6 pin connector that is slightly rectangular and only houses 5 actual pins for the following;
Ground
Tail light
Right Turn Signal
Left Turn Signal
Brake Light

We can make you a pigtail that will go from our plug to a pigtail so that it can be wired into a connector that will work but you will also need a connector that matches to wire into. My recommendation if you have settled on both a trike and trailer you love would be to whichever plug you like the least off and get the appropriate one to match so you will be trouble free for your riding.

 

[FRR]

Rear Brakes

Would it be possible to respond to my question further down this site concerning rear brake pads and caliper size on a 2014 Wing kit? Thank you in advance.

 

[56Elwood]

Good Morning! Will I be able to purchase a cover from you next week at Americade?
2013 Gen II

 

[J.T.M.]

How about a Hannigan patch

First I want to tell you I am soooo proud of my Hannigan Transformer. The wife and I love it and get great commits every time we stop.

For fathers day I received a new riding vest. When asked what kind of patches I wanted on it I said a Hannigan goes on first if there is such a thing. Do you have a patch suitable for a vest? If so how do I get one?