losing all power

[Mcmister]

3 times recently, while turning corners, my FW lost all power.

Dealer says BCM programmed wrong. Programmed for 2 wheeler not 3.

Says "roll over" kicked in and shut off all power.

Ummmm, ?

 

[1dn5up]

I’ve herd of that happening to others. Why ? :Shrug:

 

[LadyonaMission]

Inept service technicians?

 

[Jack Klarich]

What Year?

If it was shipped from the factory like that seems to me your dealer needs to make this right

 

[rhino 2]

3 times recently, while turning corners, my FW lost all power.

Dealer says BCM programmed wrong. Programmed for 2 wheeler not 3.

Says "roll over" kicked in and shut off all power.

Ummmm, ?

Yep, That happens......So i Assume your dealer has re-progarammed it for a Trike [3 wheeler]:Shrug:

 

[Mcmister]

Yep, That happens......So i Assume your dealer has re-progarammed it for a Trike [3 wheeler]:Shrug:

Yes, the dealer reprogrammed the BCM, so we'll see if it fixes the problem.

Since new, this FW has had its share of nagging problems... I'd like to get to the point where I can plug and play and not have to worry about breaking down every time

Thanks

 

[Old Road Dog]

3 times recently, while turning corners, my FW lost all power.

Dealer says BCM programmed wrong. Programmed for 2 wheeler not 3.

Says "roll over" kicked in and shut off all power.

Ummmm, ?

[[[ Your dealer is a friggen moron.Under your seat, mounted under the frame cross support is a sinister little box.It contains a little ramp, a ball bearing and electrical connections. If the bike tips over the ball bearing rolls to one side or the other and trips the circuit shutting off power to the ignition and fuel pump.This is called a Bank Angle Sensor. If an event occurs "TIP" will display on the odometer.To reset cycle the ignition on and off.The only repair is you replace the box and oddly make sure the correct length fasteners are used.You can test this by using a strong magnet while the bike is idling.Oh-find a new dealer.

 

[MDO]

Yes, the dealer reprogrammed the BCM, so we'll see if it fixes the problem.

Since new, this FW has had its share of nagging problems... I'd like to get to the point where I can plug and play and not have to worry about breaking down every time

Thanks

What year is your Freewheeler?

 

[Mcmister]

What year is your Freewheeler?

2016

 

[MDO]

2016

Did you get it fixed?

 

[Mcmister]

Did you get it fixed?

Well, I don't know....I've had the bike since new and it's happened 3-4 times... I don't know the exact conditions of each experience other than turning a sharp corner. i.e. hot? cooler? RPM? etc.

I've rode about 200 miles since dealer tinkered with it, and it hasn't happened... but I'm not going so far as to say "problem solved".

This bike has been into service a dozen times for a whole host of nagging problems... I think I need to take others advice and find a new dealer.

Thanks

 

[MDO]

Well, I don't know....I've had the bike since new and it's happened 3-4 times... I don't know the exact conditions of each experience other than turning a sharp corner. i.e. hot? cooler? RPM? etc.

I've rode about 200 miles since dealer tinkered with it, and it hasn't happened... but I'm not going so far as to say "problem solved".

This bike has been into service a dozen times for a whole host of nagging problems... I think I need to take others advice and find a new dealer.

Thanks

A dozen times to the dealer for problems is nuts. Did you buy it from that dealer or was it a private sale?

I got lucky with my 2017 FW as it's 1 of the good ones. After the 1,000 mile service at the dealer I got it from in CA, it has not needed any corrective maintenance. I do the routine maintenance myself.

I have got a couple of errant trouble codes, but they clear & go away, so I decided to log them down & forget about them after discussing them with my chosen dealer here in Missouri.

I'm lucky in that we have 5 dealers in less than a 40 mile area, so I get to be picky as to who gets my business.

Do you have more than 1 local dealer?

 

[Mcmister]

A dozen times to the dealer for problems is nuts. Did you buy it from that dealer or was it a private sale?

I got lucky with my 2017 FW as it's 1of the good ones. After the 1,000 mile service at the dealer I got it from in CA, it has not needed any corrective maintenance. I do the routine maintenance myself.

I have got a couple of errant trouble codes, but they clear & go away, so I decided to log them down & forget about them after discussing them with my chosen dealer here in Missouri.

I'm lucky in that we have 5 dealers in less than a 40 mile area, so I get to be picky as to who gets my business.

Do you have more than 1 local dealer?

Yes I purchased new and yes there are quite a few dealers in Chicago. The one I purchased from and return for service has been very disappointing.

For example, the shifting lever (peg) has stripped out several times.. The manager says "nothing we can do about it...it happens all the time... In fact we have some bikes strip every month"... I asked is there any aftermarket fix? "Nope"...

B.S. as several aftermarket firms provide and guarantee a perfect fix... the list goes on and on... ugh!

 

[Jack Klarich]

Yes I purchased new and yes there are quite a few dealers in Chicago. The one I purchased from and return for service has been very disappointing.

For example, the shifting lever (peg) has stripped out several times.. The manager says "nothing we can do about it...it happens all the time... In fact we have some bikes strip every month"... I asked is there any aftermarket fix? "Nope"...

B.S. as several aftermarket firms provide and guarantee a perfect fix... the list goes on and on... ugh!

Do not get discouraged, Find a new dealer These guys are trying to feed you Kool Aid

There is NO good reason you are having shifter problems

Here is your shifter linkage can you pick out what part is getting replaced?

 

[Mcmister]

Do not get discouraged, Find a new dealer These guys are trying to feed you Kool Aid

There is NO good reason you are having shifter problems

Here is your shifter linkage can you pick out what part is getting replaced?

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I'm told this is very common... in fact, I see several companies make an aftermarket shaft and lever. ( Baker... Pingel etc) The spline strips out easily and you find yourself stuck in whatever gear you happen to be in at the time. My dealer tells me to carry a replacement with me on the road.

 

[MDO]

They redesigned the shifter for the M8 in 2017, knowing it was problematic.

I have seen YouTube videos on it being a problem & to keep an eye on it for tightness.

UPDATE: Here is a HD tech, John Maxwell, covering your T/C shifter problems at about minute 3:45 of this video. Very good information on how to fix a common problem.

This guy has taught me a lot.

 

[MDO]

I recently took my heel shifter off to adjust it so I could actually use it & I ended up taking it all apart & putting Loctite (blue) on all the bolts. By the way, that heel shifter is nice when adjusted properly.orag:

 

[LadyonaMission]

What is this dude spraying on the inside of the air filter cover to clean it? What is he spraying on the gasket? I can't see the labels on the aerosol cans.

 

[MDO]

What is this dude spraying on the inside of the air filter cover to clean it? What is he spraying on the gasket? I can't see the labels on the aerosol cans.

It is PJ1 Super Cleaner. Much safer that using brake cleaners to degrease. I have used it, Tri-Flow & the HD spray polish/cleaner & like them all.

It's covered in this video:

 

[LadyonaMission]

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I'm told this is very common... in fact, I see several companies make an aftermarket shaft and lever. ( Baker... Pingel etc) The spline strips out easily and you find yourself stuck in whatever gear you happen to be in at the time. My dealer tells me to carry a replacement with me on the road.

I had to have part 31 replaced on my Freewheeler while I was out of town. The service tech told me that would not have happened had my dealer checked the shifter during the service which was done less than 1,000 miles prior. I now take it to another dealer and I do check the shifter frequently.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I had to have part 31 replaced on my Freewheeler while I was out of town. The service tech told me that would not have happened had my dealer checked the shifter during the service which was done less than 1,000 miles prior. I now take it to another dealer and I do check the shifter frequently.

They have been known to fall off after the pinch bolt falls off

https://www.betterlever.com/product/better-lever/

This solved the problems on the 5 speed, I see no reason it could not be adapted for the 6 speed gear box

 

[rhino 2]

I repaired a bunch of those type shifter levers on ATC's And once on my 11 Tri-Glide...

I would replace the bolt with a new one, Then file the opening in clamp part to make the slit wider then the clamp will tighten more on the shaft...The lever is made of softer medal [AKA sacrificial medal] than the harden spine shaft......If the lever gets too lose the harden shaft will eat the clamping part up, Better than if the lever was harden and then eat the shaft ....And then the tranny has to be opened up..

 

[dannymax]

There doesn't appear to be any way to lube #31 without pulling bolt #1, yank out the shift levers #13 and buttering some white lithium

on the shaft....would be a jim dandy spot to drill/tap in a zerk fitting, yes?

Lola, did you happen to notice if there were o-rings on either end of where the shaft fits inside the casting?

 

[Jack Klarich]

There doesn't appear to be any way to lube #31 without pulling bolt #1, yank out the shift levers #13 and buttering some white lithium

on the shaft....would be a jim dandy spot to drill/tap in a zerk fitting, yes?

Lola, did you happen to notice if there were o-rings on either end of where the shaft fits inside the casting?

I drill and tap the primary where the shaft runs thru, I grease it each oil change

Or look here

http://www.pingelonline.com/harley-davidson-accessories/62142-greaseable-shifter-shaft.asp

Another note, if your shifter rattles you can shim the shaft with wave washers

HD has gone cheap, baggers used to come from the factory with grease fittings for the shifter shafts and neck bearings

I guess the bean counters saved the MOCO a few dollars

 

[rhino 2]

I drill and tap the primary where the shaft runs thru, I grease it each oil change

Or look here

http://www.pingelonline.com/harley-davidson-accessories/62142-greaseable-shifter-shaft.asp

Another note, if your shifter rattles you can shim the shaft with wave washers

HD has gone cheap, baggers used to come from the factory with grease fittings for the shifter shafts and neck bearings

I guess the bean counters saved the MOCO a few dollars

Think about it. Jack......You sell 230 thousand bikes, And then a dollar here and a dollar there soon adds up to real money...

 

[Fearless]

I drill and tap the primary where the shaft runs thru, I grease it each oil change

Or look here

http://www.pingelonline.com/harley-davidson-accessories/62142-greaseable-shifter-shaft.asp

Another note, if your shifter rattles you can shim the shaft with wave washers

HD has gone cheap, baggers used to come from the factory with grease fittings for the shifter shafts and neck bearings

I guess the bean counters saved the MOCO a few dollars

Jack a little pricey but it sure is nice I installed one (grease-able shaft) this spring. Notice the crud everywhere these were taken before the Stator and regulator repair oil everywhere. Fred

 

[Jack Klarich]

Good job Fred:clapping:

I drilled and tapped my rear brake pedal also

It gets lubed now also

I have too much time on my hands so I do what The MOCO should have done

 

[dannymax]

The MOCO sure did drop the ball with that design, course as Bob mentioned, they're catering to the stock holders way more than the buyers/riders. Sux but that's the way of the world now. That's OK, we get to make them our own this way.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Think about it. Jack......You sell 230 thousand bikes, And then a dollar here and a dollar there soon adds up to real money...

Cant argue with that, just disappointed the MOCO is going backwards at the owners expense

 

[LadyonaMission]

There doesn't appear to be any way to lube #31 without pulling bolt #1, yank out the shift levers #13 and buttering some white lithium

on the shaft....would be a jim dandy spot to drill/tap in a zerk fitting, yes?

Lola, did you happen to notice if there were o-rings on either end of where the shaft fits inside the casting?

The part the service tech showed me was metal only.