Oil from trans to primary......

[rhino 2]

When i took my M8 2017 Tri Glide for the 5k oil change, I made mention to the service writer that the trans fluid was low , So as to Harleys service bulletin, They filled each of them with 28 oz..Then i was told to come back in a thousand miles As per Harley instructions , So i brought it in this morning, What they found today was ;

20 Oz In the trans...And 36 Oz in the primary....Now i have to wait for a repair kit to be sent to the dealer....He has at least 3 Trike's that need the kit..And he suspects there will be even more Trikes coming in with that oil problem now that the weather is warm and people are putting miles on them And he doesn't even know when the'll come in or even what they look like.......Right if anyone comes in with that problem Harley wants the dealers to drain the trans/primary then fill it 28/28 oz, Then have the costumer drive it for 1k then if they find a problem they will send a kit....

Me thinks they Harley doesn't have a fix and there just staling for time to find one...:cxtv:

 

[ultrafxr]

When i took my M8 2017 Tri Glide for the 5k oil change, I made mention to the service writer that the trans fluid was low , So as to Harleys service bulletin, They filled each of them with 28 oz..Then i was told to come back in a thousand miles As per Harley instructions , So i brought it in this morning, What they found today was ;

20 Oz In the trans...And 36 Oz in the primary....Now i have to wait for a repair kit to be sent to the dealer....He has at least 3 Trike's that need the kit..And he suspects there will be even more Trikes coming in with that oil problem now that the weather is warm and people are putting miles on them And he doesn't even know when the'll come in or even what they look like.......Right if anyone comes in with that problem Harley wants the dealers to drain the trans/primary then fill it 28/28 oz, Then have the costumer drive it for 1k then if they find a problem they will send a kit....

Me thinks they Harley doesn't have a fix and there just staling for time to find one...:cxtv:

Methinks you are correct that Harley doesn't have a clue as to the cause nor the cure. It is not a 'trike' thing at all but an 'M8' thing. It has been discussed (and cussed) ad infinitum on several enthusiast forums. Sorry you are having the problem and hope the kit does eliminate the problem. So far with 5,200 miles on my 2018 everything is A-OK. Sure hope it stays that way but my history with my Harleys is that if there is a known problem I'll eventually have it. Must be contagious, lol.

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

Reading this thread made me curious so i went out to the garage and checked the trans level in my trike once i figured out the right way to check it( dip stick screwed in resting on o-ring) it was dead on full.Its due for a trans change anyway,got 5000 on this change 10,000 on bike,so knock on wood,I wont have an issue with this.

 

[trikermutha]

bad seal that is causing the leak to the primary? That issue been going on for years. There is a kit for this now?

 

[rhino 2]

bad seal that is causing the leak to the primary? That issue been going on for years. There is a kit for this now?

Thats the 64 thousand dollar question, And it hasn't been answered yet...:Shrug:

 

[ultrafxr]

bad seal that is causing the leak to the primary? That issue been going on for years. There is a kit for this now?

There is a 'Transmission Oil Deflector Kit' p/n 36300028 with an in service date of 01/31/2018.

 

[rhino 2]

There is a 'Transmission Oil Deflector Kit' p/n 36300028 with an in service date of 01/31/2018.

The word on the street is that the kit...[Plug], fixed some but not all...:Shrug:

I forgot to add Harley's still trying to figure it out...

 

[MDO]

If the MOCO has a kit to fix the problem it doesn't sound like there trying to figure it out.

Is this the dealer that lies to you or the one 70 miles away? With the price of gas it's costing you $12-13 for him to check your transmission fluid level.:gah:

 

[Jack Klarich]

Harley does not have a fix yet to my understanding

Lets say they do figure it out, This could probably destroy their confidence let alone fix ALL the bikes out there now

on their dime JMO

 

[rhino 2]

If the MOCO has a kit to fix the problem it doesn't sound like there trying to figure it out.

Is this the dealer that lies to you or the one 70 miles away? With the price of gas it's costing you $12-13 for him to check your transmission fluid level.:gah:

The dealers that play dumb are 10 and 15 miles away....The dealer i trust is 80 miles away, And they been in the same exact location since 1956 and still family run..

And the ride there is a chinch..Got there at 9am was at my hunting club 25 miles away before 11:30 am....And on the way home i ride along the Delaware river through Hawks Nest....To home....One of the most scenic spots in the Tri-State area.[PA/NY/NJ]. And 12/13 dollars for gas isn't going to make or brake me...If it did then shame on me for buying a 35 thousand dollar toy..

 

[MDO]

I remember riding through Pennsylvania heading from St. Louis to Submarine school in Groton, CT & it was some beautiful riding. That was on a 1976 Yamaha SX500 that would run all day at 70-75 on the highway and not even work doing it.

I made the trip back, (1250 miles) in 24 hours & that included a 3 hour nap & shower.orag:

 

[trikermutha]

That's to bad. Sounds like a growing issue from what I am reading around the net.

 

[rhino 2]

It seems like the second Email from Harley to me, And my answer to it struck a cord,

I got a call last Tuesday to bring it in the fit it kit is here no appointment necessary, Fix it while you wait...I'm going to see if i can get to the dealer Wednesday ,Thursday ..

Will it work?...We shall see what we will see....:Shrug:

 

[Jack Klarich]

It seems like the second Email from Harley to me, And my answer to it struck a cord,

I got a call last Tuesday to bring it in the fit it kit is here no appointment necessary, Fix it while you wait...I'm going to see if i can get to the dealer Wednesday ,Thursday ..

Will it work?...We shall see what we will see....:Shrug:

I would be curious to see this fix but I aint holding my breath

 

[rhino 2]

I would be curious to see this fix but I aint holding my breath

Like i said.......We shall see....:Shrug:

 

[MDO]

I would be curious to see this fix but I aint holding my breath

I would like to see the statistics on this problem. Is it more 103's than 107's?

In the M8 family, is it more TG's than Freewheeler's or is there no rhyme or reason & it's just a % of everything the last few years.

I check mine every 250 miles or so & so far, I'm 1 of the lucky ones.

 

[rhino 2]

I would like to see the statistics on this problem. Is it more 103's than 107's?

In the M8 family, is it more TG's than Freewheeler's or is there no rhyme or reason & it's just a % of everything the last few years.

I check mine every 250 miles or so & so far, I'm 1 of the lucky ones.

My uneducated guess is , No rhyme or reason...And thats why Harley is having a tough time getting a handle on it..

My 103 hadn't had the problem..:Shrug:

 

[Jack Klarich]

I would like to see the statistics on this problem. Is it more 103's than 107's?

In the M8 family, is it more TG's than Freewheeler's or is there no rhyme or reason & it's just a % of everything the last few years.

I check mine every 250 miles or so & so far, I'm 1 of the lucky ones.

The best to date info ( if we can believe it) is it is random tho goes back to 2014

My 103 did NOT do it but it was a cable clutch, seems to be affecting hydraulic clutches more

I dunno if the MOCO is hiding info and facts or just playing the waiting game JMO

My M8 has over 16K miles to date. I have NO problem

A side note, some are reporting problems @ higher RPM ( over 3500 steady riding) and after dyno time

I have had both experiences with NO problems yet:clapping:

 

[Old Road Dog]

The best to date info ( if we can believe it) is it is random tho

A side note, some are reporting problems @ higher RPM ( over 3500 steady riding) and after dyno time.//// Thou shalt not drink the purple Kool-aid offered up by the Madison Avenue Marketeers.Thou shalt not commit blasphemy in the name of St.Harley and St.Davidson.Thou shalt not violate the Virgins from War-En-Tee, lest He be cast into the wilderness without shield or sword.Thou shalt not worship the false idols, Horse-O-Power and Torq-At Wheel.For they will leave you wanting the rest of your days.Thou shalt not lay with the wicked whores from the temple of Dyno.Thine purse will be rendered barren and your wives and daughters forced to turn tricks for sustenance.Thou shalt not engage in the obscene dance-Tune and Map.For it will never lead to paradise.In the name of the demi-god, Push-A-Rod. I- Cranks- His-Shaft has spoken.

 

[Jack Klarich]

The best to date info ( if we can believe it) is it is random tho

A side note, some are reporting problems @ higher RPM ( over 3500 steady riding) and after dyno time.//// Thou shalt not drink the purple Kool-aid offered up by the Madison Avenue Marketeers.Thou shalt not commit blasphemy in the name of St.Harley and St.Davidson.Thou shalt not violate the Virgins from War-En-Tee, lest He be cast into the wilderness without shield or sword.Thou shalt not worship the false idols, Horse-O-Power and Torq-At Wheel.For they will leave you wanting the rest of your days.Thou shalt not lay with the wicked whores from the temple of Dyno.Thine purse will be rendered barren and your wives and daughters forced to turn tricks for sustenance.Thou shalt not engage in the obscene dance-Tune and Map.For it will never lead to paradise.In the name of the demi-god, Push-A-Rod. I- Cranks- His-Shaft has spoken.

Thou shalt not have any Harley's before me:laugh:

 

[MDO]

There is a member on hdforums site with the username of Stonecold that has designed a fix for this & members have tested it on several M8 bikes. It involves changing a nut & seal & machining the cover. It's covered in the M8 forum in the thread "The Fix is In"

 

[Jack Klarich]

There is a member on hdforums site with the username of Stonecold that has designed a fix for this & members have tested it on several M8 bikes. It involves changing a nut & seal & machining the cover. It's covered in the M8 forum in the thread "The Fix is In"

I read that, sounds pretty positive

 

[MDO]

I read that, sounds pretty positive

I thought so too. Excellent pictures of the fix. You would think the MoCo would buy it from him.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I thought so too. Excellent pictures of the fix. You would think the MoCo would buy it from him.

Yeah, but that would admit they knew they had a problem and were not smart enuff to solve it

Too bad they have high priced engineers and techs that let this slip by JMO

 

[rhino 2]

I'm waiting to see if the cone shape washer and gasket that the dealer installed on my M8 Wednesday will do the trick....Only have a hundred + miles on it so far...Do i have conference that will solve the problem ,I don't and my dealer doesn't either .

I read the fix is in, And unless i missed something..And correct me if i did miss it but no one has put 5 thousand or more miles with stone-colds fix.....I would never known about mine if i did oil changes at 4 thousand miles..:Shrug:

 

[Old Road Dog]

Anyone who believes the MoCo dosnt have a real fix for this issue also believes Stormy is still a virgin.The been counters won't let them implement it.It would trigger a recall.Still might if the Fed's get involved.Know what else irks me?Mimes.Ya just wanna grab the nearest portable object and bash thire head in.Who spends valuable time left in this world practicing that crap.They should be run over with a heavy piece of construction equipment. Blood and makeup sceeching out from under the wheels of an articulated front end loader.Ahh...I feel better now and can return to my table. Yes-I'll have the espresso and croissant please.

 

[MDO]

So are you saying the "bean counters" decided it would be better to install the fake fix, vise the real fix? Would that be a cost saving move?

If your fixing someone's ride under warranty, your most cost effective move is to do it once & do it right.

I recommend skipping the espresso & making the move to decaf. :Coffee:

 

[Old Road Dog]

I recommend skipping the espresso & making the move to decaf. :Coffee:[/QUOTE] Maybe you should drink some turpentine. I've done business with the MoCo for over 50 years.Its not how they operate.

 

[Gorilla]

Okay guys lets keep it civil PLEASE

 

[Jack Klarich]

I hope it does not come to a terrible accident when a tranny locks up for the MOCO to fix these