107 engine stalls ocassionally at idle

[TAC]

I had no problem for the first 5000 miles or so but every now and then the engine will stall out during stop & go traffic or when you pull into a parking lot with the clutch pulled in & no throttle.

It might do it once on a ride but I try to keep blipping the throttle as I come to a stop to avoid the problem or it might do it more.

It normally idles at 800 rpm which is normal I presume..

The bike starts and runs great other than that issue.

Any thoughts?

 

[rhino 2]

I had no problem for the first 5000 miles or so but every now and then the engine will stall out during stop & go traffic or when you pull into a parking lot with the clutch pulled in & no throttle.

It might do it once on a ride but I try to keep blipping the throttle as I come to a stop to avoid the problem or it might do it more.

It normally idles at 800 rpm which is normal I presume..

The bike starts and runs great other than that issue.

Any thoughts?

As of yet Harley says their hands are tied , Something to do with the EPA...Any higher idle 850rpm's after the engine is warmed up it will emit to much emissions...:Shrug:

When the engine is cold' 9 hundred or a thousand in my mind is where it should be when warm...

Right now were back to blipping like the old days...

 

[jc1300]

As of yet Harley says their hands are tied , Something to do with the EPA...Any higher idle 850rpm's after the engine is warmed up it will emit to much emissions...:Shrug:

When the engine is cold' 9 hundred or a thousand in my mind is where it should be when warm...

Right now were back to blipping like the old days...

Just to be clear....the 2017's are sold knowing full well they stall? And that is an acceptable issue? With anyone? 35K for a bike that won't stay running......6 Harleys and I am about done....and they don't give a ****...

 

[rhino 2]

Just to be clear....the 2017's are sold knowing full well they stall? And that is an acceptable issue? With anyone? 35K for a bike that won't stay running......6 Harleys and I am about done....and they don't give a ****...

Knowing they stall, That's debatable-----Knowing theres a problem with the low idle yes they do....

 

[peteg59]

I'm sure there's an easy fix but HD got zinged by EPA last year, if memory serves, for selling kits that alter the stock tune of their machines.:Shrug:

 

[rhino 2]

I'm sure there's an easy fix but HD got zinged by EPA last year, if memory serves, for selling kits that alter the stock tune of their machines.:Shrug:

That just about sums it up.......

 

[jc1300]

That just about sums it up.......

Heaven forbid ~ But the first major accident due to a stall is gonna cost them a boatload of money and a huge hit commercially. I'd love to hear a Harley engineer explain this to me with a straight face.

 

[Jack Klarich]

IMO HD knows the problem

If one complains enough they will set the idle up

This comes from my local dealer

They are NOT ready to force a recall yet

Setting the idle up IMO will not cause a prblem with the EPA

Harley has done this before

It was the sneaking around with the SE tuner that got them in trouble

HD has already admitted to oil pump problems Go figure

A bump in idle could maybe fix this

I have already raised my live idle to 950 and am keeping it there

 

[rhino 2]

I have registered a complaint about the idle issue with the M8 To the NHTSA....

And have a complaint #.....I would suggest others with the idle problem do so also, It only takes 5 minutes on the computer to do it.....

 

[jc1300]

IMO HD knows the problem

Setting the idle up IMO will not cause a prblem with the EPA

A bump in idle could maybe fix this

I have already raised my live idle to 950 and am keeping it there

I would agree Jack - But then the problem is that most don't have your talents!

jc

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

My 17 was doing the same thing had it in twice for the same issue.So here is what the tech said was the problem.The clutch safety switch was giving the ECM a false reading,didnt know if the clutch was engaged or disengaged.Over a week ago they replaced the left switch cluster,and so far so good we put over 100 miles on it before we came to Daytona and we have put another 500 on it since getting here and no hick ups so far.They are on back order so there must be something to this.They had a new take off from someone who wanted back lit controls.

 

[Jack Klarich]

My 17 was doing the same thing had it in twice for the same issue.So here is what the tech said was the problem.The clutch safety switch was giving the ECM a false reading,didnt know if the clutch was engaged or disengaged.Over a week ago they replaced the left switch cluster,and so far so good we put over 100 miles on it before we came to Daytona and we have put another 500 on it since getting here and no hick ups so far.They are on back order so there must be something to this.They had a new take off from someone who wanted back lit controls.

This has already been documented by HD

You would think they would issue a recall soon IMO

 

[TAC]

Follow up

HD Dealer checked it out last week. Apparently, it is the clutch safety switch and they are on back order.

Let you know after it gets changed out. Might be next season!

 

[rhino 2]

This has already been documented by HD

You would think they would issue a recall soon IMO

Thats because most will complain about it on Forums and not file a complaint with the NHTSA....And if enough complaints are sent in there will be a recall...It only takes 10 minutes or so to file a complaint over the computer and get a case #...

I know i did.....

There are enough people with the same or related problems on...This and ''All'' the other Harley Forums if they all filed a complaint to wake the NHTSA UP.....

 

[TAC]

Clutch Switch

The new clutch switch came in. I left the house at 29 degrees this morning to get it installed. Wanted to do it now instead of fighting the rush to get an appointment in the Spring.

Took about half an hour. Rode it home at a positively balmy 41 degrees. No stalling nor having to blip the throttle for fear it would stall but I won't know for sure if the problem is gone till Spring or if I get a chance to go South for a couple weeks this Winter.

I'll keep you posted..

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

So far so good put 1500 miles on since having the left switch assembly replaced all is good.

 

[MDO]

I guess I'm 1 of the lucky ones. I purchased my 2017 FW in late June & have about 4,500 miles & mine hasn't stalled once.

I have a California model & I wonder if there's any difference there?

Also, does anyone know if this is more of an issue with water cooled TG models?

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

I think the FW has a different switch cluster because of the radio controls.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I guess I'm 1 of the lucky ones. I purchased my 2017 FW in late June & have about 4,500 miles & mine hasn't stalled once.

I have a California model & I wonder if there's any difference there?

Also, does anyone know if this is more of an issue with water cooled TG models?

I think the FW has a different switch cluster because of the radio controls.

Ca models tend to have more pollution control devices thanks to CARB The switch halfs are not the same as a TriGlide

However they share a common problem with the clutch switch

It is built into the switch half module, when it goes it is quicker and easier for the tech to plug and play

 

[MDO]

Ca models tend to have more pollution control devices thanks to CARB The switch halfs are not the same as a TriGlide

However they share a common problem with the clutch switch

It is built into the switch half module, when it goes it is quicker and easier for the tech to plug and play

I had read something when I was getting ready to install new grips & the guy stated they have a lot of trouble with the front brake switches in the housing & to be care full when changing grips.

I wonder if they are made by the same Mfg?

 

[chiefdave]

Just filed complaint

Been reading this thread and just completed my complaint on the NHTSA website. Same issue as mentioned by others. Hopefully, HD will send out a recall.

 

[MDO]

I am still not having this problem & am good with that.

My FW will hunt around a little at idle, ranging from 830-870 rpm, but not 1 stall, so I guess I'm lucky in this regard.

 

[leonard]

107 stalling

Just took my 2018 in to shop yesterday with the same problem will be worked on Monday. Hopefully they can duplicate the problem but the cold weather made it run great on the way over, only stalled once when I was at the gas station

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

I had mine in the shop for the same issue said they couldn't duplicate the idle issue.I asked if they rode it and they said no.I told the tech if you don't ride it it will not stall,he called me back about a half hour later and said yep you were right as soon as he rode it it stalled.The issue is the clutch safety switch,so they have to replace the complete switch pack.Have had no issues since.

 

[leonard]

107 stalling

got a call from dealer yesterday said bike was fine idle was ok no codes. They

rode it in mid 20s weather it never got out of cold mode. Talked to service manager said he would try in wednesday when it was in the 50s. will wait till then, tried to get him to call Harley because they are having problems with the left switch pack

 

[TAC]

HD Dealer checked it out last week. Apparently, it is the clutch safety switch and they are on back order.

Let you know after it gets changed out. Might be next season!

So I've put about 250 miles on this Spring and the stalling issue seems to have been fixed. The clutch switch was changed out at the end of last year and I put it to bed right after. No problems at all, even yesterday where it was 90 degrees. Apparently, it is the clutch switch causing the problem. FYI

 

[triker Ron]

Been reading this thread and just completed my complaint on the NHTSA website. Same issue as mentioned by others. Hopefully, HD will send out a recall.

Just did this, to spend money on a machine that in fact the manufacture knows there is an issue, to me is absurd. I have been around bikes as a kid and had several as an adult. I have never stalled a bike out anytime, but now thru research after the after the fact , I kind proved it yesterday with a 2014 trike. sine having this 17 m8 I have stalled it a total of 5 times 3 days after having it 4 times, once at an intersection with traffic and once two days ago. Thought it was just me, but I have tried myself, after reading research and it goes back to the dealer next Monday for an insp and the starting issue , at this point I am not very happy! and the dealer will know this! I realize the dealerships don't build these machines, but training ect and working on the same if not the same types of machines day in and out and then some dealers say they know of nothing of this is just an excuse to pass the buck. If I could I would go back to a metric, Sorry for the rant, but this just upsets me. Taking a trip later this month and at this point looks as though the 17 will stay at home and the 14 will go.

 

[rhino 2]

Just did this, to spend money on a machine that in fact the manufacture knows there is an issue, to me is absurd. I have been around bikes as a kid and had several as an adult. I have never stalled a bike out anytime, but now thru research after the after the fact , I kind proved it yesterday with a 2014 trike. sine having this 17 m8 I have stalled it a total of 5 times 3 days after having it 4 times, once at an intersection with traffic and once two days ago. Thought it was just me, but I have tried myself, after reading research and it goes back to the dealer next Monday for an insp and the starting issue , at this point I am not very happy! and the dealer will know this! I realize the dealerships don't build these machines, but training ect and working on the same if not the same types of machines day in and out and then some dealers say they know of nothing of this is just an excuse to pass the buck. If I could I would go back to a metric, Sorry for the rant, but this just upsets me. Taking a trip later this month and at this point looks as though the 17 will stay at home and the 14 will go.

The idle on the M8 is set at an ridiculously low 850... [As per EPA dictate and out of the dealers hands] And the cluch action is very abrupt, So if you don't get on the throttle fast enough it will stall... I solved my problem with an adjustable cluch lever......I reported it to the NHTSA, How many others have???...Enough complaints and they will look into it..[Recall maybe]

 

[MDO]

I'm curious if most M8 owners have this issue? I must be very lucky. The only thing I modified is adding a K&N air filter & an external breather of my own design.

Neither seem to have effected the idle, but they sure made it run better.

 

[triker Ron]

I'm curious if most M8 owners have this issue? I must be very lucky. The only thing I modified is adding a K&N air filter & an external breather of my own design.

Neither seem to have effected the idle.

I guess your one of the lucky ones so far. What upsets me as I would like to do my add ons at times ,but with issues I will not being its still under warranty. I have the option to add to the existing warranty , thinking now warranty this one it maybe a good idea.