Hannigan Motorsports Information Desk

[FRR]

Rough Ride

I don't know if this is as common as other issues but I am having a difficult time trying to get a smooth ride out of my 2014 Hannigan kit on my 2012 Wing. I realize it has progressive suspension installed but the ride is so hard it has actually broken my front fender in 2 places. I've had the spacers removed but it doesn't seem to help. Also, I installed a BT 45 13000 miles ago and it is seriously cupped but only on the one side. When we took the spacers out we also changed the fork oil, but didn't get into the bushings or seals.

I love the kit but can't seem to solve the ride issue. I've talked to folks at Hannigan about it, especially the ride issue but didn't discuss the cupping issue. Any other suggestions?

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

FRR,
Sorry for the anomalous Issues you are facing with the Front-End. I assume you have spoken to Jim Gooch here about the problem you are experiencing individually concerning the "Ride".
Obviously, this is far from the experiences of the vast majority of our Owner-Partners so it is safe to interpolate a Cause of a likewise Unique Nature. Coupling that with the Tire issues and it would appear there is something going on inherent to your particular Trike that is extraordinary.
I would suggest that the only way to properly diagnose the real Root Cause and likewise effect a real Solution is to make an appointment with a Hannigan Dealer or here at the Factory itself.

Jim is on Vacation until Monday August 31st. Please call in after that and talk with him. He can advise you how & where best to proceed.

 

[FRR]

Yes, I spoke with Jim Gooch and also with my Hannigan installer. I also spoke with a Hannigan installer here in Ohio. No one seems to be able to figure it out. My installer said he thought I had a defective BT 45 but when I called Bridgestone they said they would work with my dealer where I bought the tire but that dealer indicated that the purchase was last year and they didn't think the manufacturer would do anything. It is a vicious circle. I'm putting another BT 45 on the bike, buy a new fender since my current one is broken in 2 places since the springs are so firm and hope for the best. Very frustrating. I have dozens or hours in on this and several hundred dollars and no answers from anyone. 10 different people will give you 10 different opinions.

I appreciate the offer to bring the trike to you but that is way too long of a trip to bring it down, have to leave it and come back and pick it up. I'll just see how it goes.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Understand completely Sir.
Given the Issue and it's anomalous Nature, it is more than likely imperative that it come here. There is no previous Case or Diagnosis available as a Precedent. Therefore, the best "odds" for accurately determining Issue and effecting a true Solution is by definition-here.

Should the installation of the new BT-45 (with proper Mount & Balance) not indeed solve the Issue, please reconsider the above and give us a call.

 

[FRR]

Understand completely Sir.
Given the Issue and it's anomalous Nature, it is more than likely imperative that it come here. There is no previous Case or Diagnosis available as a Precedent. Therefore, the best "odds" for accurately determining Issue and effecting a true Solution is by definition-here.

Should the installation of the new BT-45 (with proper Mount & Balance) not indeed solve the Issue, please reconsider the above and give us a call.

Thank you for your help. I was able to speak with someone who has built many Hannigans and he is suggesting that I have him realign the trike kit. He feels that is why the tire is cupping on one side only. I am also going to try stock springs.....If those changes do not correct the problem I will see about getting the Trike to you. Thanks again.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Complete Trike Alignment (starting at the Front then the Rear off the Front) would be the 2nd "Suspect".
Which of our Dealers will be performing that Procedure?

All the best and please let us know the Results of that.

 

[ectrike]

Rough ride

It sound like you have a anti dive problem. My Hannigan was out aligned wore out back tires. But still got over 23000 miles on front mpa tires.

 

[ROAD DOG]

Good Question FRR,
I "believe" I know the answer but am not 100% "sure".
They do have some sort of light "coating" but do not know what it is.
I have asked our Inventory Control Manager to get the definitive answer from the Manufacturer, American Racing.

Whatever it is, I can say assuredly with conviction that there are as near zero issues with "pitting", "Yellowing", or peeling as is humanly possible. We have utilized American Racing Wheels for over 9 years now and have Thousands of our Units equipped with their Rims out and about in all types of environments and conditions. In 6 years I can honestly say I have only had one issue/complaint about the Aluminum Rims and only 2 on the Chrome-Clad finished ones. Only 1 (was one of the Chrome-Clads) of the 3 was valid and not due directly to and from the Owner and their actions or inactions. The one valid Case was immediately rectified by a new Set of Wheels from us and subsequently reimbursed us by American Racing.

That being said, as with anything exposed to and operated in the Real World, they are Not Maintenance-Free either. Nothing even close to arduous or time consuming but common-sense and prudence does apply and should be practiced by all Owners of Trikes or any Vehicle for that matter (myself included). The external surfaces and items exposed to the environment are just as subject to both the rewards and consequences of due diligence to a PM Routine as are the Mechanical Components and Assemblies. I'm sure you and all will agree and already do indeed practice such Routines and know all too well the importance thereof.

Soon as I receive the answer regarding what Coating is used on these from the Inventory Dept., I will respond here ASAP.
Awesome Day to you & All ThumbUp

I was cleaning up my trike today & noticed that the 180 front end chrome wheel is pitting & has bubbles in the chrome ? I do not no if its chrome Or pvd coating ? its less than a year old maybe has 4000 miles on it , is it warrantied ? THANKS DAN

 

[GETRDONE]

Wheels?

Can you tell me if this wheel will work on the Transformer Kit for my 2012 Road Glide Ultra?
U.S. Wheel 021 Series Drift Star FWD Black Wheels 021-7741PBLK.
Wheel, Drift Star, Steel, Gloss Black, 16 in. x 7.0 in., 4 x 100mm Bolt Circle, 4.500 in. Backspace.


Summit Racing Part Number:USW-021-7741PBLK

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Can you tell me if this wheel will work on the Transformer Kit for my 2012 Road Glide Ultra?
U.S. Wheel 021 Series Drift Star FWD Black Wheels 021-7741PBLK.
Wheel, Drift Star, Steel, Gloss Black, 16 in. x 7.0 in., 4 x 100mm Bolt Circle, 4.500 in. Backspace.
View attachment 29810Summit Racing Part Number:USW-021-7741PBLK

As Clint (Thanks much Clint ThumbUp) has already pointed out in another Thread, that Offset deviates @ 1.25" from HMS OEM Standard.
Call in and talk with our Chief Tech, Jim Gooch, about the Issues that may or will cause if any.

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I was cleaning up my trike today & noticed that the 180 front end chrome wheel is pitting & has bubbles in the chrome ? I do not no if its chrome Or pvd coating ? its less than a year old maybe has 4000 miles on it , is it warrantied ? THANKS DAN

Sorry to hear of the Issues you speak of.
Please email Pictures of the marred/blemished Areas of the Wheel along with your full Name, Address, and Contact Number to: hannigan@apex.net

 

[FRR]

It sound like you have a anti dive problem. My Hannigan was out aligned wore out back tires. But still got over 23000 miles on front mpa tires.

I really don't think the anti dive is the issue since my main problem is the fact that the suspension is so stiff the back of the front fender is totally destroyed. When I replaced it it was broken in four places. Wouldn't the antidive only be an issue in braking situations?

 

[clint44]

I really don't think the anti dive is the issue since my main problem is the fact that the suspension is so stiff the back of the front fender is totally destroyed. When I replaced it it was broken in four places. Wouldn't the antidive only be an issue in braking situations?

That system slows front end dive by restricting fork oil under braking. If the anti dive malfunctions,the front end compliance could be severely limited,making for a very harsh ride. If that's the case,that would be something you would address at your local Honda dealer or independent shop.
Doesn't sound like a problem the trike conversion created.

 

[ectrike]

It's not the trike causing the problem.it's the front end. When your front shocks don't work right and scuf your front tire it is usually your anti dive that cause the problem.

 

[FRR]

Well I've done everything I know to do. Took the forks off, removed the spacers, changed the fork oil, made sure the OEM springs were installed by switching out the Progressives, installed a new front tire, bought a new fender, had the trike kit aligned by a Hannigan trained professional, disabled the anti-dive.

If all that doesn't cure the problem then I give up. Of course,,,,, there's always prayer. Lol

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

FRR,
Best of Luck and hope the "tweaks" are what the Doctor ordered and do indeed provide a Solution to the issue(s).

We would like to know which Hannigan Dealer performed the complete Alignment. Feel free to PM that Information should you wish.

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Road Dog,
I have not received the Pictures requested regarding the Issues you speak of with your HMS 180 Wide Front Wheel.
Please get those to us ASAP so we can see what you are experiencing and take the appropriate Action.

 

[ROAD DOG]

FRR,
Best of Luck and hope the "tweaks" are what the Doctor ordered and do indeed provide a Solution to the issue(s).

We would like to know which Hannigan Dealer performed the complete Alignment. Feel free to PM that Information should you wish.

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Road Dog,
I have not received the Pictures requested regarding the Issues you speak of with your HMS 180 Wide Front Wheel.
Please get those to us ASAP so we can see what you are experiencing and take the appropriate Action.

I went to maggie valley ,just got back, the pictures of the wheel on the bike do not show the damage I will pull the wheel off over the week end & send the pictures . THANKS

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Sounds good. I will forward the Pics to the appropriate Persons and relay the Situation as soon as they arrive.
Thanks ThumbUp

 

[FRR]

Would it be possible for you to tell me what brake pads my 2012 Wing with a 2014 kit on it would take? Also, ( and I know riding conditions greatly vary) how many miles can I expect out of a set of pads when most riding is suburban or rural in nature.

Thank you.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

FRR,
You have Brembo dual-Piston Calipers on your GEN 2 Trike.
The Replacement Pads are an EBC FA266 HH. They should be readily available from the usual Internet Sources.
ie. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro....H0.Xebcfa266hh.TRS0&_nkw=ebcfa266hh&_sacat=0

Should you not be able to locate them, give us a call and we can supply you with some.

As for what is "normal" on Pad Life, far to subjective to offer an Answer or Assumption.

 

[clint44]

I always thought the rear calipers on our Transformer were Honda Civic. Sure don't look like Brembos.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

The HMS Transformer Trike uses the same "Brembo" Calipers as the HMS GEN 2 Conversion.
Likewise, it utilizes the same Pads.

 

[FRR]

I am told Honda has issued a recall for every Goldwing from 2001 to present concerning a master cylinder issue that needs to be replaced. I am also told that many conversion kits disable that feature so they are not affected by the recall. What about those of us that have 2012 Wings with 2014 Gen II conversions kits? Questions:
1. Do we need to take it to a Honda dealer and have the unit replaced, flushed and bled?
2. What about the specific instructions on how to perform that service with a Hannigan kit.

As always, thank you for your guidance.

 

[FRR]

I am a little surprised and disappointed that you have not responded to my questions concerning this issue. I also called 6 days ago and left a message and have never received a returned call. Are you still monitoring this site????

 

[Papa Zook]

I am a little surprised and disappointed that you have not responded to my questions concerning this issue. I also called 6 days ago and left a message and have never received a returned call. Are you still monitoring this site????

They are, but they are very much slammed right now.

 

[bikerbillone]

Zook, I hear that, but seems time to communicate with owner/customers is important. I never, ever, had a problem communicating promptly with Taylor Young at RS.

 

[Papa Zook]

Zook, I hear that, but seems time to communicate with owner/customers is important. I never, ever, had a problem communicating promptly with Taylor Young at RS.

I understand, but John-Michael, their new primary customer service rep has only been with Hannigan for a few weeks and is currently doing hands-on training in various departments to thoroughly learn all aspects of the business, this takes time. Their former long time rep and help desk manager here on Trike Talk, John Lee is no longer at Hannigan. John was offered and accepted a management position with an auto dealer and will be missed. The Hannigan staff says to tell you all that your patience during this transition is greatly appreciated.

 

[FRR]

I understand, but John-Michael, their new primary customer service rep has only been with Hannigan for a few weeks and is currently doing hands-on training in various departments to thoroughly learn all aspects of the business, this takes time. Their former long time rep and help desk manager here, John Lee is no longer at Hannigan. John was offered and accepted a management position with an auto dealer and will be missed. The Hannigan staff says to tell you all that your patience during this transition is greatly appreciated.

The issue that I brought up could possibly affect every Goldwing 1800 with a Hannigan kit installed. I thought by posting the issue they could respond and that fact would save them many many calls. Jim Gooch was always to person that dealt with issues like this and I had called him earlier. I hope someone in their organization will respond since I'm sure many folks have the same question I posed.

 

[KeithsBMW]

John Lee, good luck on your new position, hate to see you gone from Hannigan's.

 

[Hannigan Motorsports]

Honda GL1800 Brake recall

FRR, my apologies on not seeing this sooner as I have been out in our assembly area with Jim Gooch building new trikes as we are extremely busy for this time of year. Myself and Jim have been out of our offices for almost 3 weeks in assembly between sidecars and trikes. I didn't have any messages on my phone or I would have given you a quick callback. Nevertheless my apologies as Herb has been handling my calls during these 10-12 hour days. I do check the email and other items from home for 1-3 hours a night after I get off as well to keep things rolling.

Regarding the recall on the secondary master cylinder on the GL1800 2001-2015, Honda is recalling all Goldwings that fit that criteria. It doesn't matter if they are stock, converted to a trike or a sidecar rig. I have spoken with 2 dealerships recently over this issue and numerous owners who have either already taken their trike in for the recall or those who are seeing if it affects them. Honda is recalling them all due to the rear brakes potentially causing drag on the rear wheel/wheels. The fix is quick for Honda generally and the last owner I spoke with stated he was "in and out" promptly after making an appointment.

My recommendation would be to take it in as a precaution and to ensure you don't have an issue down the line. Honda is good about covering a faulty product and even in the case that you had a properly functioning rear master cylinder Honda will replace it with a new one which is a win/win situation in any book.

 

[bikerbillone]

I'm a RS triker, but I read them all, and thanks for the report. I'm taking mine in tomorrow, the dealer is asking for a minimum of 3 hours, that means I take it leave it and go back the next day. That's not exact an 'in and out' operation, I'm not a fan of the dealership, but its convenient. I hope they don't screw anything up.