Can shop#1 get the imbedded lifters out of the top of their parts counter yet ?
Hearing a ticking noise
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You'll want to keep an eye on those SE lifters, their not the most robust ones on the market. Once you get about 25,000 miles on them you may want to have them inspected.
I've seen the carnage they can cause when they fail, and the SE's are failure prone.
We have a '10 TG and I've talked to 2 certified mechanics from H-D dealers about the same "ticking noises". Before I even got done finishing telling them about the noise, they asked me what kind of oil I'm using. I said synthetic of course! They immediately said there's your problem....I said what do you mean, everyone uses either Syn 3 or some other type of synthetic oil. The both of them said synthetic oil is "too thin" for these V-Twin engines....Did I change my oil back to traditional oil, no. Which raises a question to me, can I even go back to "traditional" oil once I've been using synthetic oil? Is it good for the engine to switch like that?? Just wondering. I use synthetic oil in all areas of our trike.
this was the start of this problem. the original s.e. lifters failed and caused wear on the cam. in your opinion would dino oil make a difference on the life of the lifters ?
Nope dino won't do anything for them, IMO Harley's lifters are junk. The last decent lifter they supplied was their 'B' lifter, since the introduction of the 'C' and the SE lifters they have been down hill. I use Black Ops lifters from Head-Quarters, if I had to choose another I would lean towards S&S.
When I installed the Woods cams in both my dads 09 and the 10 Triglide I used to own I used Black Ops. Both had valve trains as quiet as stock, my dad has about 30,000 miles on his. I also run them in the 120 I built for my 06 Ultra Classic, the noisiest thing about its valve train is the roller rockers.
where did you buy the black OPs from??
I buy them directly from Head-Quarters, they aren't cheap but their cheaper than the Woods directionals.
got it back Saturday . has the expected twin cam valve noise but nothing extra. 4 rivers h.d. in paducha ,ky. did a great job. the 551 s&s cam is a little less on low end torque than the s.e. 255 ,but ill just have to live with it.
the mechanic wrote up a list of what was done wrong to show the judge so I should get some of my money back.
push rods were improperly installed ,
stock tubes with adjustable push rods,
wrong lifters for cam.
1400.00 to the first guy, 1600 to fix what the first guy did. so much for my Christmas. what ever I get back will go toward my rake kit.
wifes not too happy with the beating I gave the credit card.
Now Ive missed about 3 months of good riding weather and its starting to get cold here in mo. guess that's why god made cows. so I can leather up and ride.
thanks for listening. I will put away the crying towel now and try to enjoy my trike.
the mechanic wrote up a list of what was done wrong to show the judge so I should get some of my money back.
push rods were improperly installed ,
stock tubes with adjustable push rods,
wrong lifters for cam.
1400.00 to the first guy, 1600 to fix what the first guy did. so much for my Christmas. what ever I get back will go toward my rake kit.
wifes not too happy with the beating I gave the credit card.
Now Ive missed about 3 months of good riding weather and its starting to get cold here in mo. guess that's why god made cows. so I can leather up and ride.
thanks for listening. I will put away the crying towel now and try to enjoy my trike.
Great to hear you have it back and can now get with putting some miles on it. If for some reason you end up in court don't be surprised if they defend the push rod tubes and the lifters. You got them with the poor push rod installation, but there really isn't any hard rule of thumb when it comes to a mild bolt in cam with stock lifters. Once upon a time when HD still used the 'B' lifters I ran them in a pretty hot 95" build I had, never a single issue with those stock lifters in the 25,000 miles I ran that build. I also ran the stock 'B' lifters which came in both the 10 Triglide I used to own and my dads 09 Triglide with the SE255 cams, we had no issues, lots of folks run those stock lifters with those cams. These days with the crappy 'C' lifters HD has being produced I choose to go to the after market for a much more robust and consistently produced lifter. If you ask the power train engineers at Harley what lifters to use with the SE255 they will tell you stock is just fine.
The push rod tubes were or were not a poor choice on their part.
Normally when adjustable push rods are installed builders will install tubes that are a little bit shorter so they have room to adjust them push rods, if a person can get enough room to adjust the push rods with the stock tubes there is nothing wrong with having them installed, they won't harm anything.
my wife and a friend said it sounded like the weed wacker bike off of the all state commercial (kind of ran like that too. To me it brought back memories of the farm and running a corn picker with the head in gear.
back to normal now and all they did was change the lifters and push rods & tubes ( and set the valves right) with the 551 S&S easy start cam dynojet has it running 107.66 ft lbs @ 3500 and 88.42 hp. not as good as the 255 s.e. cam but its ok. drove it home about 110miles . no problems
back to normal now and all they did was change the lifters and push rods & tubes ( and set the valves right) with the 551 S&S easy start cam dynojet has it running 107.66 ft lbs @ 3500 and 88.42 hp. not as good as the 255 s.e. cam but its ok. drove it home about 110miles . no problems
I had a ticking noise in my 08 Ultra CSC trike...turned out to be a loose primary chain. Once tightened, the ticking was gone.
i'm getting the same thing that sounds just like a lifter, sometimes when i'm up around 2800 rpms and let off its starts clattering like crazy and then when you idle down it goes away and might not come back for awhile, took it to the dealer and left it there ,and they ran it and could not find it since its under warrenty still they can't do anything until something happens or stays running with the noise , i have 32000 on my trike and its been doing this for over a year, mine sounds just like a lifter and never been low on oil,it don't make much since and it sure bothers me,the sound is on the right side and it comes and goes
I have a 2010 tri glide that I bought in Jan with 6k on it. Turned it to 11k last week and dropped it off at HD for it's check up ($500)..needed brakes, front bearings. Walked out for $1100---ouch!! Now mine ticks?!? I am also a non mechanic. Barely good at doing gas and oil... but it almost sounds like a car that needs more oil...gonna drop in ad HD this weekend and see what they tell me...
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As I originally posted that on my 11TG with about 9000 miles I was getting the Ticking noise around 2500 rpm. I removed at HD Synthetic oil out of all three holes and replaced with Mobil1 in the engine and primary and Red Line Shock Proof in the transmission. Since the oil change the ticking noise has gone away. I am not sure why, but the engine runs quieter, so I am happy with the results.
after what I just went thru if I had very many miles on it I would check the rollers on my lifters and cam lobes for wear. I got lucky I guess. seems the rest of my motor is doing ok now . my ticking was bad lifter, cam, and oil pump at 16000 miles
getting ready to go to court over this fine repair. I even got a letter from JUDGE MATHIS wanting me to take this case on t.v. I think I will pass!
I don't know who Judge Mathis is, but I would like nothing better than to kick the crap out of a sloppy dealer in court on national TV. That would be a hoot.
isn't Judge Mathis that guy that has his own tv show. i think i watched him a few years ago.
yea..kind of like judge judy.
well , the court case is over. the local bike mechanic was found at fault and was ordered to refund my money. He lost his cool with the judgment. His high dollar lawyer wasn't happy either. I didn't buy a lawyer. I expect an appeal and a long rode to getting any money back.
still felt good.
New rules for me.
1. for anything inside of the motor, Im going to MY dealer or some one who builds Harley motors.
2. never buy anything from him again.
Trike runs and sounds great.
thanks to every ones tech advice
still felt good.
New rules for me.
1. for anything inside of the motor, Im going to MY dealer or some one who builds Harley motors.
2. never buy anything from him again.
Trike runs and sounds great.
thanks to every ones tech advice
Don't know where you had the case heard, But the TV court verdicts [judgments] are final, No appeals....
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