2009 Tri Glide engine noise

[msocko3]

So far i don't think I have a problem with the lifters, I only have about 2000 miles on the 120. I didn't get much riding time in this summer do to various reasons. Hopefully today I'll get a chance to put some miles on the engineThumbUp. Right now (8:21 AM) the out side temp is 33 degrees, so will have to wait tell this afternoon. Thank you for the two web pages.
Butch

Pretty soon you'll be azzhole deep in snow and sub zero temperatures, kind of a depressing thought.

 

[lboos]

Well it looks like rebuild time, only 44,000 miles. Thought a lifter was clattering but found a front cylinder wrist pin was loose. Still trying to figure out what to do with it.
Mother Harley says I need to replace the Whole crank and rod assembly, I'm not buying into that yet.

lzski, is your eng. stock ?.... have you done anything to improve it since it was new new ? any mods ?

 

[SEAlaskan]

Pretty soon you'll be azzhole deep in snow and sub zero temperatures, kind of a depressing thought.

This morning old man frost was messing around with us and the tops of the mountains here now have white termination dust on them. Our average winters here in Juneau, AK run about 19 - 34 degrees above zero, we get freezing, cold wet snow, cold rain & windy and not in that order. You get it hit harder with old man winter then we do. I did get to exercise the trike today for the first time in months, and boy I need to make some more tuning runs, I'm still getting some popping while decelerating, other wise the engine runs great.
Take care
Butch

 

[lzski326]

lzski, is your eng. stock ?.... have you done anything to improve it since it was new new ? any mods ?

Yup completely stock, stage one air cleaner and down load

 

[FLTR2008TRIKE]

Is the problems with the Gaterman 1023 Lifters a recent thing? I think (not sure) that's what I installed in my 120r when I changed cams last year. Butch

Been a number of reports from both those who wrench on their own engines and a few shops showing the roller face gettting frosted over and peeling the finish. The consensus is there is a hardness problem with the metal used for the roller wheels. They are also outsourced to China to make them for Gaterman

 

[SEAlaskan]

Been a number of reports from both those who wrench on their own engines and a few shops showing the roller face gettting frosted over and peeling the finish. The consensus is there is a hardness problem with the metal used for the roller wheels. They are also outsourced to China to make them for Gaterman

That's to bad we have to put with that crap. It's sure hard to find things not made in China.
I'll just have to keep my eyes and ears open for the good stuff.
Thank Care
Butch

 

[lzski326]

epper:Well its finally going back together. S&S crank and rod assembly, S&S lifters, S&S 106 kit cylinders and pistons, And S&S 585 cam.
And also new rear brake rotors and pads AGAIN.
I should get it back by the end of the week, I hope the weather cooperates for a couple of weeks, so I can break it in a bit before snow.

 

[msocko3]

epper:Well its finally going back together. S&S crank and rod assembly, S&S lifters, S&S 106 kit cylinders and pistons, And S&S 585 cam.
And also new rear brake rotors and pads AGAIN.
I should get it back by the end of the week, I hope the weather cooperates for a couple of weeks, so I can break it in a bit before snow.

Who's going to tune it?

 

[lzski326]

They will tune it, I have the PCV tuner for it and they use them all of the time. If I don't like it, I will get a hold of Fuel Moto and get a map from them for that combination of motor parts.

 

[msocko3]

They will tune it, I have the PCV tuner for it and they use them all of the time. If I don't like it, I will get a hold of Fuel Moto and get a map from them for that combination of motor parts.

I think your going to be happy with the way it runs once it is finished. I'm going to be pulling the top end down on my dads this winter, its starting to suffer from more blow by than I care to see. I will be interested in how his small end of the rod clearance is with 50,000+ miles on it.

We're going to keep it 103, will bore another set of cylinders we have laying around, go with a set of CP forged pistons, have some head work done on a spare set of heads I have laying around and install manual compression releases. Going to try a different set of cams, I have a set of Head-Quarters HQ525's setting around just begging to be installed.

 

[eagle1]

generally you can buy a '13 103 that somebody drops a 110 eng in their bike for .
$2,500.00. just scan the various forumes for buy & sell items, i have found & own2 for that price

 

[msocko3]

generally you can buy a '13 103 that somebody drops a 110 eng in their bike for .
$2,500.00. just scan the various forumes for buy & sell items, i have found & own2 for that price

It still has the same issues as all the rest of the 103's, roll the dice on whether it will go 40,000 miles or 100,000 miles. Address the mediocre crank and hot running and you get more longevity. With the relatively reasonable pricing on crate engines such as the S&S LC124, one can have a better engine with a heck of a lot more usable torque to move the trike like a stock or lightly modified 103 could ever dream of.

I always figure my time and labor is worth something, to keep swapping engines every few years would be a PIA.

 

[lzski326]

Well we are back on the road again. I hope we get enough decent weather to get the new motor broken in, before the snow flies.

 

[msocko3]

Well we are back on the road again. I hope we get enough decent weather to get the new motor broken in, before the snow flies.

You'll have to let us know how you like it once you can romp on in a bit.

 

[Gorilla]

Yep waiting to hear how it turns out.

 

[icebite1]

Well we are back on the road again. I hope we get enough decent weather to get the new motor broken in, before the snow flies.

Hi Larry, been watching your progress with intrest. Just wondering if Rena let you ride on the back of her Frankie while yous was down. HaHa just couldnt resist that, anyhow best of luck and we hope to see you guys again sometime.
Oh , cold weather is here in N.Mi. 23 last night.

 

[lzski326]

Hi Larry, been watching your progress with intrest. Just wondering if Rena let you ride on the back of her Frankie while yous was down. HaHa just couldnt resist that, anyhow best of luck and we hope to see you guys again sometime.
Oh , cold weather is here in N.Mi. 23 last night.

Yes Charlie she suggested that lol. she said we could put the original seat, Its got a solo seat on it now. I turned down the offer.:Shrug:
Its about 55 degs and getting ready to rain now.
The Indy wants me to put about a hundred miles on it and bring it back to check things and change the oil. I guess that was suggested by S&S.

 

[trikermutha]

Yes Charlie she suggested that lol. she said we could put the original seat, Its got a solo seat on it now. I turned down the offer.:Shrug:
Its about 55 degs and getting ready to rain now.
The Indy wants me to put about a hundred miles on it and bring it back to check things and change the oil. I guess that was suggested by S&S.

Surprised you didn't get out early it was nice out .I was out by 9am and back by 12 for the Sunday football games..

 

[lzski326]

Just a little update on the engine project. I did get it broke in enough to hammer it a few times. Its put away for the winter now. My honest opinion of the S&S 585 cam they put in it is all wrong for a heavy triglide. It doesn't hit the power band until 3000 rpm, anything below that it is a real dog. it runs likes like hell after 3 grand, its almost scary. Even with the sprocket change I have to get over 70mph to get into sixth gear.
I had them get ahold of S&S again to see what they would suggest. Going to try a 551 cam now.
If anyone has any input on this please let me know.
Thanks Larry

 

[geezerglide11441]

Just a little update on the engine project. I did get it broke in enough to hammer it a few times. Its put away for the winter now. My honest opinion of the S&S 585 cam they put in it is all wrong for a heavy triglide. It doesn't hit the power band until 3000 rpm, anything below that it is a real dog. it runs likes like hell after 3 grand, its almost scary. Even with the sprocket change I have to get over 70mph to get into sixth gear.
I had them get ahold of S&S again to see what they would suggest. Going to try a 551 cam now.
If anyone has any input on this please let me know.
Thanks Larry

You might look at the "T-Man" cam selection. I just re-built a 120r crate motor (completely, cases/crank/rod assembly and all), and with my experience with the OEM SE 266E cams that came with the motor, I was not particularly happy with the street manners in my Trike. After discussing my riding style and where I wanted the Torque, I spoke with Tom at T-Man for his input (as well as the guy that done the work on my heads) and the both suggested the T-Man 577 cams. They work great right off idle and mid-range is awesome as well. I also looked at (and liked the specs) on the T-Man 590 as well. Much better street manners than the OEM 120r crate motor.

Torque and HP where I ride!!!epper:

Good luck with whatever you end up with!!

Roger

 

[geezerglide11441]

Is the problems with the Gaterman 1023 Lifters a recent thing? I think (not sure) that's what I installed in my 120r when I changed cams last year.
Butch

SEAlaskan, I just lost a COMPLETE motor when my front intake lifter blew apart. This was also a 120r crate motor and I do not run my bikes hard (currently 73 yrs old!!). I was in cruise control at 2,850 rpms when she went south on me. It damaged the lower section of the lifter journal (hence new cases) and had metal fragments in the rod bearings/crank assembly (hence new crank/rod assembly), as well as metal shavings everywhere else - i.e. cam plate, oil pump, broke the inner cam chain, tore several teeth of the front cam, bent the front cylinder intake push rod, bent the front cylinder intake valve as well.

All this due to the Gaterman lifter coming apart. so as won who took a heavy hit in the pocket book, I would suggest you replace the Gaterman lifters ASAP. Since this happened to me, I know of two other guys that had their lifters go south on them. Too bad I did not hear of this before mine went kapoot!!

Roger