2009 Honda Goldwing/2016 CSC Viper Conversion

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The photo posting for this trike build will take several postings as the build progresses. Prior to any progress picture posting, I would like to briefly outline some historical background research, kit manufacture research and trike builder research information used in the final trike conversion decision making process.

BACKGROUND RESEARCH

In May 2009, I sold my 2006 HD Streetglide and purchased a new Honda Goldwing. I did this knowing that if and when the time was right, I would convert the Goldwing into a trike. The Goldwing is well maintained and currently has 97k miles on it. It still made economic sense to make a trike conversion versus buying a new or used trike.

Over 1 1/2 years ago, I realized it was time to build the trike conversion. I began a long hard look at the various trike manufacturers in my quest to understand all of the different aspects of each manufacture's kits.

I probably over thought the process, but I learned as much as possible before making the final decision. I set up spreadsheets to make comparing the different manufactures kits easier for me to understand.

I contacted five different trike kit manufacturers and read is much as possible from their websites and brochures. I read as much as possible here on the Trike Talk forums. The next step was to test ride the various manufactured kits installed on Goldwings. I did many test rides here in Florida, the Blue Ridge Pkwy.,North Carolina and in Georgia.

Once I completed all the test rides and fully understood the pros and cons of the five different manufactures kits, the decision making process progressed quickly. I was able to easily narrow the choice of manufacture down to one.

KIT MANUFACTURE RESEARCH

The easiest and most obvious choice for me, after completing all the research, was the CSC Viper kit by California SideCar. Over the past 1 1/2 years, CSC spent a lot of phone and email time with me. They responded professionally, quickly and with a "solid good customer relationship" attitude.ThumbUp

I had the opportunity to speak with Dwight (in operations), Cassidy (in customer service) and Will (in tech support) on the Viper kits and their components. They were instrumental in helping me understand their product and all of the related accessories.

CSC manufactured and delivered the kit as originally scheduled on time.

TRIKE BUILDER/INSTALLER RESEARCH

It has been said hundreds of times on this forum: "The trike builder/installer is the one who can make or break a trike build".

With that in mind, I visited four different trike builders to discuss and listen to their trike build experiences. I verified a few of their references. I also toured their shops and facilities.Three of the four trike builders were within 240 miles of me in my home state of Florida. I had the opportunity in, the summer of 2015, to visit Gary and Barbara Thayer, owners of Gary's Hobbie Shop, on a return trip from Western North Carolina. They were the fourth trike builder I visited and are located in Georgia, 604 miles from my house.

These folks are easy to talk to, friendly and very knowledgeable about trikes. As fellow riders, they understand and build trikes as well as perform general motorcycle maintenance. I toured their shop. They keep a very clean and well organized shop. They only install CSC trike conversions. Their shop has been opened for 16 years.

Both Gary and Barbara were extremely helpful and patient with me in visualizing and selecting all the accessories for the CSC Viper kit. Their advice and recommendations were both helpful and constructive based on my needs.ThumbUp

I test rode their Goldwing demonstration model and loved the setup. Gary is also a Traxxion Suspension certified technician. This worked out great for me, since I have Traxxion Suspension already installed.

Over the next year that followed, I had the opportunity to speak with some of Gary’s previous trike build customers to get some feedback. Everyone had high praise for Gary’s attention to detail and his methodical build techniques. I returned to Gary’s Hobbie Shop again on August 1, 2016 and finalized the Viper kit order. On that same day Gary and Barbara were completing and cleaning a CSC trike build for another customer.

I had other choices for trike builders much closer to my home but my comfort level with Gary and Barbara is what made the deal. I chose “comfort level with the trike builder” over everything, even knowing that their shop was 604 miles from my front door and that three other trike builders were within 240 miles of my home.

While the conversion kit was in production, Gary serviced the 97k mile bike with an oil change and filter, coolant change, air filter, valve adjustments, spark plugs, clutch and brake lever lubrication, cruise control adjustment, battery and alternator replacement, Traxxion AK-20 cartridge rebuilds and much more.

Now let's get to some pictures in the next post.ThumbUp

 
Hi David,

Sounds like what you have just gone thru, is pretty much the same as I just went thru.
I traded in my H.D Street glide for the G.W. with the CSC kit.

I will say I am very happy with my decision. The G.W and Viper kit makes for a great ride. I been riding now for a few days, and loving it.

Good luck with yours, and keep us posted ThumbUp
 
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Let's start with a couple of "Before the Conversion Build" pics.

This pic is taken at the Gary's covered loading/unloading area.
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Here is another final pic as a two wheeler.
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The next 4 pics are the actual delivery and uncrating of the conversion kit at Gary's facility. Gary will take delivery at the truck delivery's distribution center. He will then unload the crate with a hoist in one of his outdoor covered receiving bays.

Note how carefully CSC crates the equipment and the accessories. After uncrating, Gary carefully inspects each piece and takes inventory of all parts and the accessories.

Gary maintains excellent communications with me on the status of the build and keeps me well informed of the progress.ThumbUp

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The next 2 pics show the chassis uncrated and then the body loaded onto a wheeled dolly headed to Gary's shop.

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Very interesting...keep those pics coming ThumbUp Like your chrome directional wheels ;)


Thanks Keith, You have one fine looking machine there.ThumbUpThumbUp

As you will soon see in later pictures, Gary, the trike builder, has installed a chromed directional wheel on the front as well. Now all three wheels will look the same.

The front wheel has Centramatic Wheel Balancers mounted on the rotors. Gary plans to use chrome rotor covers to hide the rotor areas.
 
Very interesting...keep those pics coming ThumbUp Like your chrome directional wheels ;)[/QUOTE


Thanks Keith, You have one fine looking machine there.ThumbUpThumbUp

As you will soon see in later pictures, Gary, the trike builder, has installed a chromed directional wheel on the front as well. Now all three wheels will look the same.

The front wheel has Centramatic Wheel Balancers mounted on the rotors. Gary plans to use chrome rotor covers to hide the rotor areas.

Sounds awesome ! Waiting to see pics :clapping:
 
That is really COOL Dave!!! Did they let you stand by and watch?

The only thing better is actually getting to do the conversion yourself... I didn't have all those fancy lifting toys so I had to enlist some help to muscle my create round. Thank God the Old Dominion deliver guy and I got it from the street to my truck's garage without too much trouble. Getting it uncreated and moved to my motorcycle shop was a walk in the park. I didn't have the forethought to chronicle the uncreating. Boxes on the left held Wing Guards and assorted parts.

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Here is about half way through.

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And of course you know the finished trike.

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That is really COOL Dave!!! Did they let you stand by and watch?


Jerry, you have on fine looking WingThumbUp

In reference to your question, I am 604 miles away from Gary's shop. Gary and Barbara, the owners, are shooting the conversion pictures and then forwarding them to me.

I certainly would have enjoyed the watching the build process live, but pics are the next best thing to actually being there.ThumbUp
 
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Jerry, you have on fine looking WingThumbUp

In reference to your question, I am 604 miles away from Gary's shop. Gary and Barbara, the owners, are shooting the conversion pictures and then forwarding them to me.

I certainly would have enjoyed the watching the build process live, but pics are the next best thing to actually being there.ThumbUp

Are you trailering or riding it home? You'd both be broken in by the time that trip was finished if you ride. Would be a great experience for sure!

I bet you are like a kid at Christmas!!!! :xszpv: :xszpv:
 
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Are you trailering or riding it home? You'd both be broken in by the time that trip was finished if you ride. Would be a great experience for sure!

I bet you are like a kid at Christmas!!!! :xszpv: :xszpv:


I will be trailering the trike back home. As part of this adventure and thread posting, I will be picking up a new Aluma TK-1 trike trailer in Ocala, Fl. on my way to pick up the trike when it is completed.

I use a trailer because I like having a car available. Most of my traveling can be 6 to 8 weeks at time to preset destinations from which I will then take the trike.

As for breaking in the trike mechanically, that will be the fun part. I have logged many miles on trikes on a "loaner" basis from friends.

The non-trike parts on the GL-1800 have 97k miles and do not need anymore break-in.:laugh:

"A kid at Christmas" does not describe the anticipation.:D:D:laugh: It's much worse.:gah:
 
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During the fabrication phase of the CSC conversion kit, Gary kept busy with all the maintenance work as I described in Post #1. The front end of the bike is stripped and prepared for the 6 degree rake kit. The Traxxion AK-20 fork cartridges are removed and then sent to Traxxion Dynamics for a complete rebuild.


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Gary now installs the 6 degree rake kit and tree. He then reinstalls the rebuilt AK-20 cartridge tubes and forks. Gary also replaces all bushings and seals at this time.

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Gary now installs a new Avon Trike tire on a chrome directional rim. He also replaced the wheel bearings. This is the stock directional rim that has been chromed. Gary will replace the lower front chromed cowel . The old one was badly pitted. Gary then mounts the brakes. He then mounts a "painted to match" front fender extender. The handle bars will have a MBL riser added to bring the handle bars back and in without changing the throttle cable or any other lines. We now have a completed front end.

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Gary completes a trike conversion from the front of the bike working towards the rear. As his work progresses, he utilizes a "check-off" list that he follows every step of the way. The list is extremely detailed down to very nut, washer, bolt and connection required for a complete trike build. He will sort all the required small parts and pieces into work trays. Each tray is clearly identified for the intended use.ThumbUp

Also at this stage, I opted to replace the 97k mile alternator, instead of rebuilding the original, with a Mitsubishi OEM. Gary indicated to me that this was the best time to replace an alternator since access to the (1) hidden attachment bolt was now easily accessible. Gary also replaced the battery at this time as the old battery was no longer holding a charge when tested.
 
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The next pics focus on tearing down the rear of the bike and prepping for the rear tire removal. The saddlebags and trunk have been removed. Gary is getting ready for the installation of the auxiliary fuel tank, installation of the chassis and wiring.


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The front end is now fully buttoned up. The fork brace with dust cover is installed. The new lower front chrome cowel is installed.

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Next up: Finishing the rear end.
 

The photo posting for this trike build will take several postings as the build progresses. Prior to any progress picture posting, I would like to briefly outline some historical background research, kit manufacture research and trike builder research information used in the final trike conversion decision making process.

BACKGROUND RESEARCH

In May 2009, I sold my 2006 HD Streetglide and purchased a new Honda Goldwing. I did this knowing that if and when the time was right, I would convert the Goldwing into a trike. The Goldwing is well maintained and currently has 97k miles on it. It still made economic sense to make a trike conversion versus buying a new or used trike.

Over 1 1/2 years ago, I realized it was time to build the trike conversion. I began a long hard look at the various trike manufacturers in my quest to understand all of the different aspects of each manufacture's kits.

I probably over thought the process, but I learned as much as possible before making the final decision. I set up spreadsheets to make comparing the different manufactures kits easier for me to understand.

I contacted five different trike kit manufacturers and read is much as possible from their websites and brochures. I read as much as possible here on the Trike Talk forums. The next step was to test ride the various manufactured kits installed on Goldwings. I did many test rides here in Florida, the Blue Ridge Pkwy.,North Carolina and in Georgia.

Once I completed all the test rides and fully understood the pros and cons of the five different manufactures kits, the decision making process progressed quickly. I was able to easily narrow the choice of manufacture down to one.

KIT MANUFACTURE RESEARCH

The easiest and most obvious choice for me, after completing all the research, was the CSC Viper kit by California SideCar. Over the past 1 1/2 years, CSC spent a lot of phone and email time with me. They responded professionally, quickly and with a "solid good customer relationship" attitude.ThumbUp

I had the opportunity to speak with Dwight (in operations), Cassidy (in customer service) and Will (in tech support) on the Viper kits and their components. They were instrumental in helping me understand their product and all of the related accessories.

CSC manufactured and delivered the kit as originally scheduled on time.

TRIKE BUILDER/INSTALLER RESEARCH

It has been said hundreds of times on this forum: "The trike builder/installer is the one who can make or break a trike build".

With that in mind, I visited four different trike builders to discuss and listen to their trike build experiences. I verified a few of their references. I also toured their shops and facilities.Three of the four trike builders were within 240 miles of me in my home state of Florida. I had the opportunity in, the summer of 2015, to visit Gary and Barbara Thayer, owners of Gary's Hobbie Shop, on a return trip from Western North Carolina. They were the fourth trike builder I visited and are located in Georgia, 604 miles from my house.

These folks are easy to talk to, friendly and very knowledgeable about trikes. As fellow riders, they understand and build trikes as well as perform general motorcycle maintenance. I toured their shop. They keep a very clean and well organized shop. They only install CSC trike conversions. Their shop has been opened for 16 years.

Both Gary and Barbara were extremely helpful and patient with me in visualizing and selecting all the accessories for the CSC Viper kit. Their advice and recommendations were both helpful and constructive based on my needs.ThumbUp

I test rode their Goldwing demonstration model and loved the setup. Gary is also a Traxxion Suspension certified technician. This worked out great for me, since I have Traxxion Suspension already installed.

Over the next year that followed, I had the opportunity to speak with some of Gary’s previous trike build customers to get some feedback. Everyone had high praise for Gary’s attention to detail and his methodical build techniques. I returned to Gary’s Hobbie Shop again on August 1, 2016 and finalized the Viper kit order. On that same day Gary and Barbara were completing and cleaning a CSC trike build for another customer.

I had other choices for trike builders much closer to my home but my comfort level with Gary and Barbara is what made the deal. I chose “comfort level with the trike builder” over everything, even knowing that their shop was 604 miles from my front door and that three other trike builders were within 240 miles of my home.

While the conversion kit was in production, Gary serviced the 97k mile bike with an oil change and filter, coolant change, air filter, valve adjustments, spark plugs, clutch and brake lever lubrication, cruise control adjustment, battery and alternator replacement, Traxxion AK-20 cartridge rebuilds and much more.

Now let's get to some pictures in the next post.ThumbUp

You certainly chose well on your installer. Been doing business with Gary's for about 10 years. He knows his STUFF. Kind of person that if he tells ya sompin "LISTEN". Be careful in their SHINY ROOM lot of purdy stuff in there. Tell Barbra & Gary that Bob Johnson from ALABAMER sez HELLO
 
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The conversion kit is now going through the final build stages prior to installation of the "Trike Body" and "Ground Effects".

The next (2) pictures show the installation of the intermediate mount plate. There is a bracket on the opposite side of this plate that supports the new home for the sound amplification system. Electrical connections are near completion. It is now easy to see the full structural integrity of the entire chassis.

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In the next picture, Gary begins preparations for installation of the body. He first sorts out the body hardware, supplied with the kit, into individual trays that are clearly identified. This method makes sure all hardware inventory is installed and nothing is left out.

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The next pic shows the "Ground Effects" placed out of the way from foot traffic and the build.

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Now Gary will install the front fender, the left side "Ground Effect", the trike body and the tour box. Final electrical connections are made prior to "buttoning up".

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Next , the exhaust tips, license plate and hitch are installed.

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Next, the right side "Ground Effect" is installed. The chrome directional 17" wheels are installed. The body is now completed and ready for some chrome finishing touches.

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The next two pictures are the trike's first touch down to the floor.

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Next Up: Touching home base:D
 
It's interesting to see each manufacturer's design concepts. CSC has a completely different approach in their IRS design and the placement of their aux fuel tank in front of the trike assembly vs above it it like Roadsmith and Hannigan.
 
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Allow me to back track a bit. I inadvertently left out of my previous post some important build pictures.:gah:


The following pics show the body being set and secured to the frame. The pics also show the reinstallation of the tour box.

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We now have a completed trike body and frame. Gary is extremely careful by placing protective materials over finished bodywork areas while reinstalling the tour box.ThumbUp

Both Gary and Barbara have been operating their business since 1995. They have been building/installing CSC trike conversions since 2000. They only build/install CSC trike kits.

Next Post Up: Crossing Home PlateThumbUp
 
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:D:D:D Here It Is:D:D:D

With the trike build completed, Gary performs a water test of the body, trunk and tour box for leaks.

After the water test, he will ride for a long road test over both smoothly paved roads and rougher roads. He also rides slowly over cut lawn areas.

He checks out the trike's performance and all electrical systems for proper operation. Gary is also listening for any rattling or other non-mechanical sounds. If there are any, he will begin to isolate and resolve the issue.ThumbUp

Once Gary is 100% happy with all of the above, he and Barbara will wash/clean the trike carefully as per CSC recommendations. CSC recommends to only use mild soap and water and no waxing for the first 90 days. This process is to allow time for the new paint to properly cure.

CSC painted the kit with Honda factory original paint.

So much for the talk, here are pics of the finished trike built by Gary and Barbara.ThumbUp

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Looks great David ! Well done ThumbUp

I noticed your rear brake lights on upper luggage compartment are a little different then mine. Did you special order them ? Have you thought about installing fender bras on the rear fender. They will help with bug stains and rock chips, just a idea.

Congrats :clapping: and Ride safe ThumbUp
 
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Looks great David ! Well done ThumbUp

I noticed your rear brake lights on upper luggage compartment are a little different then mine. Did you special order them ? Have you thought about installing fender bras on the rear fender. They will help with bug stains and rock chips, just a idea.

Congrats :clapping: and Ride safe ThumbUp

Thanks Keith,

The rear brake lights on the upper luggage compartment are not special order. They are stock lights. The difference you may be noticing may be the fact that my lights are from a 2009 model while yours are from a 2015 model. In addition, I purchased a CSC optional chrome tail light trim kit. CSC installs the lower brake light trims at the factory. The upper luggage compartment trims are field applied during the build.

I have not taken delivery of the trike yet. Once I do, I have a 604 mile trip home with the trike loaded unto an Aluma TK-1 trailer.

Prior to the trip, CSC technical support staff have indicated that it was OK to wrap any of the newly painted conversion kit pieces with the temporary "auto wraps" as used on new car transports. They recommended not leaving the temporary wrap on more than 2 days. I plan on wrapping the fenders and maybe the ground effects with the temporary wrap. The trailer does have a built-on rock shield also.

Once I get home, the trike is headed for a local paint protection film shop who specializes in high end cars. I plan to have a paint protection film called "Expel" applied to selected areas of the rear fenders and the ground effects.

I did not choose the CSC optional fender bra for a couple of reasons. First, the bra does leave an exposed edge vulnerable to rock chips. Second, one of the attachments, of the bra to the body, is tucked up underneath the ground effects and cannot be unsnapped without removing the ground effects. Third, the bra can always be added if all else fails on protecting the fenders.
 
Thanks Keith,

The rear brake lights on the upper luggage compartment are not special order. They are stock lights. The difference you may be noticing may be the fact that my lights are from a 2009 model while yours are from a 2015 model. In addition, I purchased a CSC optional chrome tail light trim kit. CSC installs the lower brake light trims at the factory. The upper luggage compartment trims are field applied during the build.

I have not taken delivery of the trike yet. Once I do, I have a 604 mile trip home with the trike loaded unto an Aluma TK-1 trailer.

Prior to the trip, CSC technical support staff have indicated that it was OK to wrap any of the newly painted conversion kit pieces with the temporary "auto wraps" as used on new car transports. They recommended not leaving the temporary wrap on more than 2 days. I plan on wrapping the fenders and maybe the ground effects with the temporary wrap. The trailer does have a built-on rock shield also.

Once I get home, the trike is headed for a local paint protection film shop who specializes in high end cars. I plan to have a paint protection film called "Expel" applied to selected areas of the rear fenders and the ground effects.

I did not choose the CSC optional fender bra for a couple of reasons. First, the bra does leave an exposed edge vulnerable to rock chips. Second, one of the attachments, of the bra to the body, is tucked up underneath the ground effects and cannot be unsnapped without removing the ground effects. Third, the bra can always be added if all else fails on protecting the fenders.

Looks like you have it all figured out ThumbUp

Just a side note on the fender bras.....There are actually 2 styles of bras, one that fits under the ground affects. The other style which I have doesn't go under the ground effects. It comes off very easy for washing and waxing. The way you can tell them apart is the lettering on the bra. CSC, if you notice mine it has all capital letters. The other one that fits under the ground effects the letters look like their logo cSc.

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forgot to mention. I see you have the drivers floor boards and toe and heel shifter, I also ordered the same thing. When I finally got her home, I noticed that you can't fit your toes under the toe shifter. The gap is to narrow. You will have to use your heel to upshift. At first I didn't like the change. Always used my toes for up shifting. But now after a few rides I have grown to like using my heel to upshift. Don't know if you will have the same problem...but don't worry using your heel isn't bad, I'm even liking it better now.
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forgot to mention. I see you have the drivers floor boards and toe and heel shifter, I also ordered the same thing. When I finally got her home, I noticed that you can't fit your toes under the toe shifter. The gap is to narrow. You will have to use your heel to upshift. At first I didn't like the change. Always used my toes for up shifting. But now after a few rides I have grown to like using my heel to upshift. Don't know if you will have the same problem...but don't worry using your heel isn't bad, I'm even liking it better now.
Keith


Keith:

Thanks for your input. The heel/toe shifter has been on the bike (now trike) for over 7 years now, so heel upshifting feels quite natural.ThumbUp

When I have ridden friend's trikes and demo trikes without the heel/toe shifter, shifting would feel very awkward to me.:laugh:

It's all in what you get accustomed to.:D
 
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We have had the heel-toe shifters on various 2wheelers since 2007 and now our GL1800 trikes. I am used to it now but my preference is the old toe shifter. I was reminded of this when Goldrush (Jerry) so graciously let me drive his GL1800 Roadsmith a year ago which does not have the heel-toe shifter. De-ja-vue. I enjoyed that so much that I wanted to remove my trike's heel-toe shifter but Jim talked me out of it....for now...Carla
 
Keith:

Thanks for your input. The heel/toe shifter has been on the bike (now trike) for over 7 years now, so heel upshifting feels quite natural.ThumbUp

When I have ridden friend's trikes and demo trikes without the heel/toe shifter, shifting would feel very awkward to me.:laugh:

It's all in what you get accustomed to.:D

Sorry for the bad pics. There was no part number, just said gold wing 1800.
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So you need your trike built fast?
You want it when?:laugh:


The attached You Tube video, from seven years ago, show Gary and Barbara skillfully building a CSC trike conversion in record breaking time.ThumbUp

Hold onto your seat and try not to blink.:Coffee:

Enjoy!!



 

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