Reverse Motor Problem

[Red59]

Having a problem with my reverse; engine running, in neutral, press reverse button and wait for it to light up steady. Once it does all I get is a clicking from the RCM solenoid. Breaker not tripped, checked voltage before and after breaker and RCM solenoid while pressing the reverse button and getting a little over 14 volts.

Pulled reverse motor and bench tested it and it seems to operate fine, checked voltage at the reverse motor connections and still getting a little over 14 volts with the motor running. Cleaned all of the connections and reinstalled, same thing just a clicking at the RCM solenoid.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Red

 

[rhino 2]

Having a problem with my reverse; engine running, in neutral, press reverse button and wait for it to light up steady. Once it does all I get is a clicking from the RCM solenoid. Breaker not tripped, checked voltage before and after breaker and RCM solenoid while pressing the reverse button and getting a little over 14 volts.

Pulled reverse motor and bench tested it and it seems to operate fine, checked voltage at the reverse motor connections and still getting a little over 14 volts with the motor running. Cleaned all of the connections and reinstalled, same thing just a clicking at the RCM solenoid.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Red

You should bench test with a load sometimes the brushes are bad and just have enough power to turn the motor with out a load on it . Open the motor and check the brushes!

 

[Red59]

You should bench test with a load sometimes the brushes are bad and just have enough power to turn the motor with out a load on it . Open the motor and check the brushes!��

Thanks Rhino,

I guess the part that has me puzzled is that while bench testing the pinion gear will extend and rotate but installed on the trike the pinion won't even extend. Looks like I have some more things to check out.

 

[rhino 2]

Thanks Rhino,

I guess the part that has me puzzled is that while bench testing the pinion gear will extend and rotate but installed on the trike the pinion won't even extend. Looks like I have some more things to check out.

Not saying its the brushes but i had my motor out 3 times and it was always the brushes, [2011 Tri] The 4Th time i just left it in and had a mechanical reverse put in..

That said i ride all winter, And the salt laden puddles take there toll on the brushes..

 

[Jack Klarich]

Have a look here

https://alternatorstarterrebuildkit...e-3-wheeler-electric-reverse-motor-83388-09a/

 

[Old Road Dog]

Having a problem with my reverse; engine running, in neutral, press reverse button and wait for it to light up steady. Once it does all I get is a clicking from the RCM solenoid. Breaker not tripped, checked voltage before and after breaker and RCM solenoid while pressing the reverse button and getting a little over 14 volts.

Pulled reverse motor and bench tested it and it seems to operate fine, checked voltage at the reverse motor connections and still getting a little over 14 volts with the motor running. Cleaned all of the connections and reinstalled, same thing just a clicking at the RCM solenoid.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Red

Do you have the trike service manual?The reverse motor diagnostics are in there along with beautiful diagrams that I could study for hours.Okay I need a life.One of tips given is to raise the rear wheels on jackstands before testing.Clamp an induction ameter at the + cable next to reverse motor,start engine -turn on reverse motor, draw should be 90A not exceed 150A.

 

[MDO]

Do you have the trike service manual?The reverse motor diagnostics are in there along with beautiful diagrams that I could study for hours.Okay I need a life.One of tips given is to raise the rear wheels on jackstands before testing.Clamp an induction ameter at the + cable next to reverse motor,start engine -turn on reverse motor, draw should be 90A not exceed 150A.

I'm confused. How can the reverse motor draw 90 amps when it's on a 50 amp breaker?

 

[Old Road Dog]

I'm seeing a 150A manual reset circuit breaker [252A].Are we talking about the same thing?

 

[MDO]

I'm seeing a 150A manual reset circuit breaker [252A].Are we talking about the same thing?

My Freewheeler has a 50 amp breaker for the reverse motor under the right cover where you air the shocks.

 

[rhino 2]

My Freewheeler has a 50 amp breaker for the reverse motor under the right cover where you air the shocks.

My 2017 Tri's circuit breaker is rated at 150 A....#83869-09.....:Shrug:

 

[Free Bird]

Not saying its the brushes but i had my motor out 3 times and it was always the brushes, [2011 Tri] The 4Th time i just left it in and had a mechanical reverse put in..

That said i ride all winter, And the salt laden puddles take there toll on the brushes..

What kind of mechanical reverse?

 

[rhino 2]

What kind of mechanical reverse?

Motor trike....with the reverse cut out wiring harness...ThumbUp

 

[MDO]

My 2017 Tri's circuit breaker is rated at 150 A....#83869-09.....:Shrug:

You really think there's a circuit on these trikes drawing 150 amps?

 

[Free Bird]

Motor trike....with the reverse cut out wiring harness...ThumbUp

THANKS!

 

[Old Road Dog]

You really think there's a circuit on these trikes drawing 150 amps?

Stop being coy.Im not an engineer. I drive a big truck cause I flunked rodeo clown school.If you think the service manual is wrong please tell us why.

 

[MDO]

Stop being coy.Im not an engineer. I drive a big truck cause I flunked rodeo clown school.If you think the service manual is wrong please tell us why.

It's electrical common sence. If you take the right cover off and look at the breaker, it says 50A on it.

I don't have a service manual yet. I'm talking about the trike, not a book.

I'm not an engineer either, but the military sent me to the college of electrical knowledge. Look at your dwelling breaker box and see how many 150 amp breakers there are. Maybe the main, but that would be it.

Look at your trike.

 

[Free Bird]

A 220 volt 3 phase 60HP motor draws 150 amps orag:

(just offering a point of comparison.... I am an engineer )

 

[Old Road Dog]

It's electrical common sence. If you take the right cover off and look at the breaker, it says 50A on it.

I don't have a service manual yet. I'm talking about the trike, not a book.

I'm not an engineer either, but the military sent me to the college of electrical knowledge. Look at your dwelling breaker box and see how many 150 amp breakers there are. Maybe the main, but that would be it.

Look at your trike.

"Heyyy, booby- ya gonna shoot pool or talk to the chick?" -South Dakota Slim

 

[Jack Klarich]

My 2017 Tri's circuit breaker is rated at 150 A....#83869-09.....:Shrug:

# 17

 

[Old Road Dog]

A 220 volt 3 phase 60HP motor draws 150 amps orag:

(just offering a point of comparison.... I am an engineer )

While I slept last night aliens descended onto my garage. They implanted this strange component in my FLRT.It has weird markings-here they are:HI-Amp, Buss,150A.Waterproof(sure), 1855150F. Oh please tell me what could it all mean???

 

[Jack Klarich]

I see the need for a BIG amp circuit breaker on the reverse motor circuit

This has a heck of a job to do and pulls max current from the battery to do the job JMO

Take notice of the heavy battery cables in this drawing, those draw high current

 

[Free Bird]

Jack is on to something....

If you back into the power of the motor: A single phase 12 volt motor that draws 150 amps would net out at 1.62 Kw or 2.17HP.... So overload protection at 150A is rational (from an electrical standpoint)

 

[rhino 2]

Im not a truck driver , Or an engineer , And the only thing the military taught me about electricity was how to operate a Prick 20 so we could shoot and or blow people up AKA Fire missions night ambushes ..

The main fuse is an 50 Amp, ''Not'' to be Confused with the Reverse Circuit Breaker which is 150 Amps....'You's can all thank me later.....Or not....

 

[Jack Klarich]

Im not a truck driver , Or an engineer , And the only thing the military taught me about electricity was how to operate a Prick 20 so we could shoot and or blow people up AKA Fire missions night ambushes ..

The main fuse is an 50 Amp, ''Not'' to be Confused with the Reverse Circuit Breaker which is 150 Amps....'You's can all thank me later.....Or not....

Thanks Bob

 

[Peter A.]

Prick 20

Im not a truck driver , Or an engineer , And the only thing the military taught me about electricity was how to operate a Prick 20 so we could shoot and or blow people up AKA Fire missions night ambushes ..

The main fuse is an 50 Amp, ''Not'' to be Confused with the Reverse Circuit Breaker which is 150 Amps....'You's can all thank me later.....Or not....

.....now that’s a term I haven’t heard for YEARS.....guess we are ALL getting to be ‘OLE FARTS......:Coffee:

 

[Old Road Dog]

Im not a truck driver , Or an engineer , And the only thing the military taught me about electricity was how to operate a Prick 20 so we could shoot and or blow people up AKA Fire missions night ambushes ..

The main fuse is an 50 Amp, ''Not'' to be Confused with the Reverse Circuit Breaker which is 150 Amps....'You's can all thank me later.....Or not....

Thank you fer what? I've been saying as much this whole friggen thread.And as far as a PRC20-...what did you serve in the war of 1812? I humped a AN/PRC77 as an RTO up hill and dale but never ever seen a dino like a 20.

 

[rhino 2]

.....now that’s a term I haven’t heard for YEARS.....guess we are ALL getting to be ‘OLE FARTS......:Coffee:

I had a deal going with the battery's....You want the plastic bag that they came in, You carry it till i have to change the battery , Gotta save weight any way you can...:xzqxz:

 

[MDO]

Im not a truck driver , Or an engineer , And the only thing the military taught me about electricity was how to operate a Prick 20 so we could shoot and or blow people up AKA Fire missions night ambushes ..

The main fuse is an 50 Amp, ''Not'' to be Confused with the Reverse Circuit Breaker which is 150 Amps....'You's can all thank me later.....Or not....

You didn't thank me when I had to explain the difference between ALL CAPS & bold to you.

 

[rhino 2]

Thank you fer what? I've been saying as much this whole friggen thread.And as far as a PRC20-...what did you serve in the war of 1812? I humped a AN/PRC77 as an RTO up hill and dale but never ever seen a dino like a 20.

No hills and dale's, Just leach infested rice patties, And the mountains of the central highlands....And for me it was the war of 1966......

 

[rhino 2]

You didn't thank me when I had to explain the difference between ALL CAPS & bold to you.

Luke; 33....

The worth of a man is doing good deeds and not expecting repayment, ...

Hence the ''Or not''......:Shrug: