New member with a question regarding performance upgrades

[The West Virginian]

Good evening, all.

I am a new member on the forum, and new to three wheels, sort of. I say sort of because once upon a time, I did ride three wheel ATVs. Needless to say, those days are long passed. I have never ridden a street-legal trike, however, but intend on entering the realm with the purchase of either a Freewheeler (my preference) or a Tri Glide (wife's preference).

I like the looks and concept of the new 107, but have a couple of good offers from local dealers on '16s. The 103 can be upgraded to perform pretty well, I understand, but when added up the intake, tuner, and exhaust adds a fair amount to the price. While I am not cheap, I prefer to invest in things that are worth the money. With that in mind, how much do I really gain by upgrading the '16? Is there anything wrong or bad with running a 103 bone stock? My wife will be riding with me, when possible, and together we tip the scales at about 500 pounds.

Rarely will we have luggage with us, however.

Thank you all in advance for any advise or thoughts.

Take care, and have a great night.
Aaron

 

[clint44]

Just my opinion,Aaron,but the more I read about the new 107" engine,the better it sounds. Guess it would depend on the cost difference,out the door,between a 2016 and a 2017.

 

[Gorilla]

another consideration is the 16 will be having a lot of available stuff that may not be available with the 17 welcome and good luck on your choice.

 

[desertclassic]

Welcome from New Mexico. Knowing the mountains and roads in WV, wife is from WV and we spend a few weeks there each year, I would think a 103 with a stage 1 upgrade would be good. Example with me, With 2 up, and running down the interstate at 85, 6th gear and then crack the throttle, it still moved out but I was accustomed to a 103 in an ultra classic and I was not happy with the punch. I Did a 103, SE breather, Rinehart 4" rounds, and a download and that gave me the punch I wanted. I have done other things since then, but it is still a 103. Jim

 

[Sloride]

Well...lets run a few numbers

going thru Fuelmoto a 2016 Power Package including AC, 2-1-2 Headpipe, Fuelmoto slip-on mufflers and Powervision tuner was $1373.00. Add in a good dyno tune at about $450.00 and your in the $1850.00 range doing your own installation.

This will give you a very good running trike and a proven operating platform
The dealers are motivated to make good deals on the 2016's right now


Or does the glitter of that new Milwaukee Eight motor make you smile.....those are good decisions to have to make

If it was me...I would go with the proven platform....well now hold on...I would rather have the new technological advanced drivetrain....yah...but what if there are issues...WHAT??? it's got a warranty...OK...OK...I would choose the............................................... ...............

 

[Keystone]

Welcome to TT!


The Milwaukee-Eight is so new that I personally would wait a few years if I was looking to buy new. As already stated there are plenty of new 2016's still out there and many dealers will be motivated to move them.

 

[The West Virginian]

Just my opinion,Aaron,but the more I read about the new 107" engine,the better it sounds. Guess it would depend on the cost difference,out the door,between a 2016 and a 2017.

Good morning, Clint.

It is truly appealing which plays into my question about upgrading the 103. After I spend the money on the parts and labor to upgrade, I'll likely be close to the cost of a '17 with an engine that may be fine right out of the gate. Too, once tuners and such are available for the 107, I can upgrade then, if I choose, and I've got a powerplant that will likely far outperform the 103. The 103 is proven, though, and that's a huge plus.





Ah, the joy of decisions lol.

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another consideration is the 16 will be having a lot of available stuff that may not be available with the 17 welcome and good luck on your choice.

Good morning, Gorilla, and thank you much for the welcome.

I've thought the same thing, and, truly, I like the '16s and the 103.

The '17s have a few things I would like to have but, depending on price difference, I may go the '16 route.

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Welcome from New Mexico.

Knowing the mountains and roads in WV, wife is from WV and we spend a few weeks there each year, I would think a 103 with a stage 1 upgrade would be good.

Example with me, With 2 up, and running down the interstate at 85, 6th gear and then crack the throttle, it still moved out but I was accustomed to a 103 in an ultra classic and I was not happy with the punch. I Did a 103, SE breather, Rinehart 4" rounds, and a download and that gave me the punch I wanted.

I have done other things since then, but it is still a 103. Jim

Good morning, Jim, and thank you much for the welcome.

Yes, the weight of my wife and I plus the hills and mountains of our state are what has me wondering if the upgrade is worthwhile. I have pondered more and more since posting last night and I think the best route has to be either an upgrade of the 103 or buy the 107. I don't know many folks who complained about too much power when riding two-up.





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Well...lets run a few numbers

going thru Fuelmoto a 2016 Power Package including AC, 2-1-2 Headpipe, Fuelmoto slip-on mufflers and Powervision tuner was $1373.00.

Add in a good dyno tune at about $450.00 and your in the $1850.00 range doing your own installation.



This will give you a very good running trike and a proven operating platform
The dealers are motivated to make good deals on the 2016's right now


Or does the glitter of that new Milwaukee Eight motor make you smile.....those are good decisions to have to make

If it was me...I would go with the proven platform....well now hold on...I would rather have the new technological advanced drivetrain....yah...but what if there are issues...WHAT???

it's got a warranty...OK...OK...I would choose the............................................... ...............

Good morning, Sloride.

Yes, the glitter of the 107 makes me smile lol. As you have pointed out, though, depending on the price the dealership will offer on a '16, I will be just as happy with the 103.

The whole point is getting back on the road. I miss my Street Bob, but think I'll enjoy being on three wheels even more.



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Welcome to TT!


The Milwaukee-Eight is so new that I personally would wait a few years if I was looking to buy new.

As already stated there are plenty of new 2016's still out there and many dealers will be motivated to move them.

Good morning, Keystone, and thank you much for the welcome.

My wife (Les) and I were discussing the newness last night after I posted. We're both pretty cautious about new technology in its first year, and provided the deal is right, we're both more than pleased with going '16 versus '17.

 

[rhino 2]

Don't let numbers fool you...You have to ride the 107, To see if the power band fits your style of riddling .
I have a Victory [Gunner] 106...And yes it might be more powerful than my Tri's 103... But where i can ride the 103 in 4th and 5th crack the throttle and it gets up and go's.. To do the same the Victory's 106 would have to be in 3rd or 4th.. And the Victory is at least 4 hundred pounds lighter...
To put is simple... Its where the Grunt comes in ' Not how much it has...:Shrug:

 

[The West Virginian]

Don't let numbers fool you...You have to ride the 107, To see if the power band fits your style of riddling .
I have a Victory [Gunner] 106...And yes it might be more powerful than my Tri's 103... But where i can ride the 103 in 4th and 5th crack the throttle and it gets up and go's.. To do the same the Victory's 106 would have to be in 3rd or 4th.. And the Victory is at least 4 hundred pounds lighter...
To put is simple... Its where the Grunt comes in ' Not how much it has...:Shrug:

Excellent points, rhino, and I apologize for not giving some insight to my riding style.

I tend to be a slow rider, often going at the speed limit or under. Very rarely do I exceed, say 75 (West Virginia interstate speed limit), and that was on two wheels. On three wheels, at least initially, I expect to follow the same lines. Short of snow and ice on the road, I intend to drive to work as much as possible. That's a 40 mile commute each way on I-77.

My wife will ride with me but it will be intermittent due to her schedule.

Thank you much for the points you raised.

 

[Sloride]

Don't let numbers fool you...You have to ride the 107, To see if the power band fits your style of riddling .
I have a Victory [Gunner] 106...And yes it might be more powerful than my Tri's 103... But where i can ride the 103 in 4th and 5th crack the throttle and it gets up and go's.. To do the same the Victory's 106 would have to be in 3rd or 4th.. And the Victory is at least 4 hundred pounds lighter...
To put is simple... Its where the Grunt comes in ' Not how much it has...:Shrug:

Darn good advice right there

 

[DK Custom Products]

The M8 is unproven, but looks really good on paper.

I have an appointment Saturday morning to test ride one, and also to spend some time taking it apart and measuring for fitment of various components.

After Saturday, while I won't be able to attest to how they will hold up over the years and miles, I will definitely have a feel to how they compare to a good Stage I upgrade on a 103.

Here is a look at a dyno where you can see what kind of extra power you get out of a Performance Stage I Upgrade from DK.

So on the 103 with a DK Stage I upgrade it is putting out 105 ft. lbs at the rear wheels, and on the M8 it is putting out 113 ft. lbs at the crank, so that is probably a bit less than 105 at the rear wheels.

BUT, there are many other factors involved.

I'm going to have a better feel after Saturday....and only time will tell on some things.

Just from what I've read, I am really excited about the M8 engine, my time with it this Saturday will be very interesting.

Kevin

 

[roadking2]

Aaron, You are considering a intake, exhaust, and tuner for a 103. What really wakes up ANY Harley is a cam. That aside, you would get a pretty good increase with the mods you are contemplating, but if I were you, I'd ride it as is before making any decision on what you want or need. It's going to take you down the road just fine as is. Me personally, I'd want the new 107, but that's me not you. That 107 is going to be putting out the numbers right out of the box that the 103 will do with the upgrades you are talking about. I've seen and heard the 107. I haven't ridden it yet but from what I've heard and seen it will be a far superior engine to the TC. The increased output, stronger starter, lower idle, oil cooled, better charging system, etc., has me drooling. The free is oil cooled for sure, but I'm not positive on the tri but I think it's water cooled.

I have yet to figure out how HD determined which models would be oil cooled and which would be water cooled.

I saw a street glide and a ultra that were oil cooled.

The limited I saw was water cooled.

Look for the oil cooler on the front to know which are oil cooled or open up the lower to see if there is a water bottle on the tri.

 

[Recall]

Welcome to the forum from a neighbor just down the road in Winfield. I too have always been leery of any first model year. Too many unknowns and it wouldn't be the first time the buying public had to deal with the growing pains of a new product. I am happy with the 103. Besides with the weight of a Tri Glide, I don't ever see it being a barn burner, at least not without a lot more than the 107 can bring to the table. Good luck with your decision and keep us posted on your decision.

 

[GARYD]

I'm really interested in the 107, but will wait since I have a '14 TG now. I ride solo and my completely stock TG is more than enough for me. My racing days are pretty much over at 72, although I do occasionally floor it. So I really don't understand this "I HAVE to increase the power" thinking that almost everyone has when they buy a Harley - or any vehicle for that matter. Do you really have to get to 65 mph a second or two faster??? I guess so.

Good luck on your choice.

 

[The West Virginian]

The M8 is unproven, but looks really good on paper.



I have an appointment Saturday morning to test ride one, and also to spend some time taking it apart and measuring for fitment of various components.

After Saturday, while I won't be able to attest to how they will hold up over the years and miles, I will definitely have a feel to how they compare to a good Stage I upgrade on a 103.

Here is a look at a dyno where you can see what kind of extra power you get out of a Performance Stage I Upgrade from DK.

So on the 103 with a DK Stage I upgrade it is putting out 105 ft.

lbs at the rear wheels, and on the M8 it is putting out 113 ft. lbs at the crank, so that is probably a bit less than 105 at the rear wheels.

BUT, there are many other factors involved.

I'm going to have a better feel after Saturday....and only time will tell on some things.

Just from what I've read, I am really excited about the M8 engine, my time with it this Saturday will be very interesting.

Kevin

Thank you much for the numbers, Kevin. A great many of us are looking forward to your findings regarding the M8.

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Thank you much for the welcome, Fuzzy.

I'd love to go with a '17 and the 107, but my trepidation regarding first-year products and price have me pretty well decided on a '16.

I'll be watching the forums closely, though, to see how the new engine works with everyday folks doing everyday riding.

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Aaron, You are considering a intake, exhaust, and tuner for a 103.

What really wakes up ANY Harley is a cam. That aside, you would get a pretty good increase with the mods you are contemplating, but if I were you, I'd ride it as is before making any decision on what you want or need. It's going to take you down the road just fine as is. Me personally, I'd want the new 107, but that's me not you. That 107 is going to be putting out the numbers right out of the box that the 103 will do with the upgrades you are talking about.

I've seen and heard the 107. I haven't ridden it yet but from what I've heard and seen it will be a far superior engine to the TC.

The increased output, stronger starter, lower idle, oil cooled, better charging system, etc., has me drooling. The free is oil cooled for sure, but I'm not positive on the tri but I think it's water cooled.

I have yet to figure out how HD determined which models would be oil cooled and which would be water cooled. I saw a street glide and a ultra that were oil cooled.

The limited I saw was water cooled. Look for the oil cooler on the front to know which are oil cooled or open up the lower to see if there is a water bottle on the tri.

If there wasn't such a price difference between a '16 and a '17, roadking, I'd probably be all over a '17. I say probably, as I'd still have to battle my worry about a first-year product, and it's tough to beat down habit lol.

The numbers of the 107 look fantastic and the design has me very interested.

The 107 has so many benefits over the 103, but...sigh, I just can't deny my concern over a new product.



Don't get me wrong, I think change is a good thing, but I also think it may be in my mind's best interest to go with the known product for now.

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Welcome to the forum from a neighbor just down the road in Winfield.

I too have always been leery of any first model year.

Too many unknowns and it wouldn't be the first time the buying public had to deal with the growing pains of a new product.

I am happy with the 103. Besides with the weight of a Tri Glide, I don't ever see it being a barn burner, at least not without a lot more than the 107 can bring to the table.

Good luck with your decision and keep us posted on your decision.

Thank you much for the welcome, Recall. It's great to see a fellow Mountaineer on the forum. I agree that neither the TG nor the Freewheeler will win many races, but I like the thought of a bit more power, if worth the price, since Les (the wife) and I are adding a fair amount of weight to the trike. Thank you for the wish for luck.

I'm hoping to purchase within the next couple of weeks and post it with a smile.



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I'm really interested in the 107, but will wait since I have a '14 TG now.

I ride solo and my completely stock TG is more than enough for me. My racing days are pretty much over at 72, although I do occasionally floor it.

So I really don't understand this "I HAVE to increase the power" thinking that almost everyone has when they buy a Harley - or any vehicle for that matter. Do you really have to get to 65 mph a second or two faster???

I guess so.

Good luck on your choice.

Thank you for the wish for luck, GARYD. Lord willing and the creeks don't rise, Les and I will be riding next weekend.

I swear I am not power hungry, and likely will leave the engine stock. In the last couple of days, I have talked to three different salesmen from three different dealerships and they all basically said, yes, the upgrades give a bit more but they're not necessary for our intended uses.

I'm good with putting along. Easy on the engine, saves gas, and keeps my heart rate down LOL.

 

[GARYD]

As I said, I ride solo (190lbs) with maybe 60~70lbs of luggage. The power is more then adequate for me. I don't know what your combined weight with luggage is, but if you plan on doing a lot of mountainous trips, you might be better off the a little extra. You will have to decide that yourself.

Some riders like more power so they don't have to continuously downshift in the mountains. I like to shift, that's why I bought a motorcycle = it's fun going through the gears.

 

[HDB0B]

We have a 2014 with de-catted stock head pipe, stock mufflers, stock A/C, and Nightrider FL-Vied-10 fuel enrichers.
Did the above to get the heat issues under control .... got a little more power and slightly louder exhaust.

We drive conservatively and listen to music.

Combined weight with luggage about 400 pounds.

Never a problem in the hills of PA (including a recent run to the PA Grand Canyon area).

I only need to downshift going up steep hills. Trike runs great. I never lug motor ... it likes RPMs. epper:

36 - 38 mpg pretty consistently unless driving above 65 mph .... and then who cares!

Bob

 

[DK Custom Products]

Tomorrow is my test ride to see how they feel, but I've already seed a few Dyno charts of 2 wheeled M8's. They're putting out 98-102 ft. lbs at the rear wheel.

That is at around 3200 RPM... the power is coming on far earlier.

Kevin

 

[roadking2]

"If there wasn't such a price difference between a '16 and a '17, roadking, I'd probably be all over a '17. I say probably, as I'd still have to battle my worry about a first-year product, and it's tough to beat down habit lol. The numbers of the 107 look fantastic and the design has me very interested. The 107 has so many benefits over the 103, but...sigh, I just can't deny my concern over a new product. Don't get me wrong, I think change is a good thing, but I also think it may be in my mind's best interest to go with the known product for now."

Hey, I said I was drooling but my head says enjoy what you have. I think you would be perfectly satisfied with the 103. I know I would be but being satisfied with the 103 wouldn't stop me from wanting the M8. Heck, mine isn't even a 103. It's a 95 and I'm keeping it. I want the M8, but I ain't getting it.

I could, but what I have was perfectly fine for me before I saw the M8 so it's still perfectly fine for me now.

I somewhat share your 1st year concerns.

I liked the TC when they first came out, and I was ready for a new bike, but I didn't want 1st year one, so I waited.

No matter.

I think you will be happy no matter which way you go or what you do or don't do to it when you get it. You can always make them better, but they aren't bad to begin with.

 

[Trike4u]

Welcome to TT!


The Milwaukee-Eight is so new that I personally would wait a few years if I was looking to buy new. As already stated there are plenty of new 2016's still out there and many dealers will be motivated to move them.

Good evening, all.

I am a new member on the forum, and new to three wheels, sort of. I say sort of because once upon a time, I did ride three wheel ATVs. Needless to say, those days are long passed. I have never ridden a street-legal trike, however, but intend on entering the realm with the purchase of either a Freewheeler (my preference) or a Tri Glide (wife's preference).

I like the looks and concept of the new 107, but have a couple of good offers from local dealers on '16s. The 103 can be upgraded to perform pretty well, I understand, but when added up the intake, tuner, and exhaust adds a fair amount to the price. While I am not cheap, I prefer to invest in things that are worth the money. With that in mind, how much do I really gain by upgrading the '16? Is there anything wrong or bad with running a 103 bone stock?

My wife will be riding with me, when possible, and together we tip the scales at about 500 pounds.

Rarely will we have luggage with us, however.

Thank you all in advance for any advise or thoughts.

Take care, and have a great night.
Aaron

You can get over $3500 off of a new 2016 but dealer(s) will not sell a 2017 with money off.

Something to think about.<o></o>

 

[RedOregon]

So I really don't understand this "I HAVE to increase the power" thinking that almost everyone has when they buy a Harley - or any vehicle for that matter. Do you really have to get to 65 mph a second or two faster??? I guess so.

Wait til the first time a semi decides he wants your lane when you're about 2/3 of the way up his trailer and you'll understand! :AGGHH:

 

[UltraV]

16's v 17

Not sure if anyone else has said this, but one big difference to me between the 17's and earlier models the addition of ABS. Never understood why the trikes did not get ABS

 

[The West Virginian]

As I said, I ride solo (190lbs) with maybe 60~70lbs of luggage. The power is more then adequate for me. I don't know what your combined weight with luggage is, but if you plan on doing a lot of mountainous trips, you might be better off the a little extra. You will have to decide that yourself.

Some riders like more power so they don't have to continuously downshift in the mountains. I like to shift, that's why I bought a motorcycle = it's fun going through the gears.

Our combined weight will be around 500, GARYD, though, once in a blue moon we may have an overnight bag that will come in around 10-15 pounds. As we both work and have wee ones, long, multi-day trips aren't going to happen for a while. Most of the riding will be me solo going to and from work, with occasional jaunts with the wife thrown in.

 

[The West Virginian]

We have a 2014 with de-catted stock head pipe, stock mufflers, stock A/C, and Nightrider FL-Vied-10 fuel enrichers.
Did the above to get the heat issues under control .... got a little more power and slightly louder exhaust.

We drive conservatively and listen to music.

Combined weight with luggage about 400 pounds.

Never a problem in the hills of PA (including a recent run to the PA Grand Canyon area).

I only need to downshift going up steep hills. Trike runs great. I never lug motor ... it likes RPMs. epper:

36 - 38 mpg pretty consistently unless driving above 65 mph .... and then who cares!

Bob

Thank you much for the numbers, Bob. I think we'll be ok with the 103 stock, at least for a while. We can always do a Stage I, II or III at a later date if power becomes an issue. The power and cooler running temps of the 107 still appeals but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on a '17.

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"If there wasn't such a price difference between a '16 and a '17, roadking, I'd probably be all over a '17. I say probably, as I'd still have to battle my worry about a first-year product, and it's tough to beat down habit lol.

The numbers of the 107 look fantastic and the design has me very interested.

The 107 has so many benefits over the 103, but...sigh, I just can't deny my concern over a new product.

Don't get me wrong, I think change is a good thing, but I also think it may be in my mind's best interest to go with the known product for now."

Hey, I said I was drooling but my head says enjoy what you have. I think you would be perfectly satisfied with the 103. I know I would be but being satisfied with the 103 wouldn't stop me from wanting the M8. Heck, mine isn't even a 103. It's a 95 and I'm keeping it. I want the M8, but I ain't getting it. I could, but what I have was perfectly fine for me before I saw the M8 so it's still perfectly fine for me now. I somewhat share your 1st year concerns.

I liked the TC when they first came out, and I was ready for a new bike, but I didn't want 1st year one, so I waited. No matter.

I think you will be happy no matter which way you go or what you do or don't do to it when you get it. You can always make them better, but they aren't bad to begin with.

I've pretty well decided on the 103, roadking, for just the reason you mentioned.

If Les and I were going to be making long, multi-day trips with hours at a time riding, I might feel differently about want versus need for the 107, but I suspect for what we will be doing, the 103 will be more than adequate. Factor in that dealers are willing to deal on the '16s and it becomes almost a no-brainer for me.

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You can get over $3500 off of a new 2016 but dealer(s) will not sell a 2017 with money off. Something to think about.<o></o

Exactly, Trike4u, and that is the primary reason we are going with a '16. My only quandary now is Freewheeler or Tri Glide.



Decisions decisions lol

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Not sure if anyone else has said this, but one big difference to me between the 17's and earlier models the addition of ABS.

Never understood why the trikes did not get ABS

I thought the same, UltraV, but every dealer I have talked to said the HD site is incorrect and that the trikes did not get the new rear suspension or the ABS.

I am befuddled.

:xzqxz:

 

[GARYD]

I'm glad the TG doesn't have ABS. I hate ABS and don't want ABS in my autos or bikes. I don't even like the linked brakes I have on my '14 TG. That's just me.

Freewheeler vs TriGlide. Biggest difference is storage capacity. Freewheeler is about 1/6 as much. Don't know the exact percentage, but it is waaaaay to little for me.

Passenger comfort is almost non existent on the Freewheeler compared to the TG.
Plus the radio is an absolute necessity for me.
If you are a bare bones person, the Freewheeler is perfect for you.

Good luck - I guarantee you will love whichever one you get.ThumbUp

 

[roadking2]

I'm glad the TG doesn't have ABS. I hate ABS and don't want ABS in my autos or bikes. I don't even like the linked brakes I have on my '14 TG. That's just me.

Freewheeler vs TriGlide. Biggest difference is storage capacity. Freewheeler is about 1/6 as much. Don't know the exact percentage, but it is waaaaay to little for me.

Passenger comfort is almost non existent on the Freewheeler compared to the TG.
Plus the radio is an absolute necessity for me.
If you are a bare bones person, the Freewheeler is perfect for you.

Good luck - I guarantee you will love whichever one you get.ThumbUp

Good grief! 1/6 the capacity and comfort non existent? A bit of a exaggeration wouldn't you say?

I totally understand liking your trike, but come on now.

Throw a tour pac on a freewheeler and you haven't got enough more storage on your tri to hold more than a pair of jeans.

 

[The West Virginian]

I'm glad the TG doesn't have ABS. I hate ABS and don't want ABS in my autos or bikes. I don't even like the linked brakes I have on my '14 TG. That's just me.

Freewheeler vs TriGlide. Biggest difference is storage capacity. Freewheeler is about 1/6 as much. Don't know the exact percentage, but it is waaaaay to little for me.



Passenger comfort is almost non existent on the Freewheeler compared to the TG.
Plus the radio is an absolute necessity for me.
If you are a bare bones person, the Freewheeler is perfect for you.

Good luck - I guarantee you will love whichever one you get.ThumbUp

Thank you much, Gary.

Les prefers the Tri Glide but we've thought about this long and hard and we think - think being the key word - we're better off with the Freewheeler.

You're absolutely right that the Tri Glide offers more storage and more comfort for the passenger, and Les loves them. In a few years, when the wee ones are old enough to be left alone for more than an evening, we'll likely trade up for one.

Right now, though, it's a luxury we don't really need.

We can't get away for too long at a time, plus, the Freewheeler is 150 pounds lighter. While 150 may not sound like much on paper, I suspect it will make a difference when hauling both of us with the 103. Plus, the Freewheeler is more sporty. Makes me feel more manly, especially after I have some Z bar 14" apes and chrome wheels added LOL!

 

[gerald martin]

I call bs to no comfort on the free

I own a 2015 freewheeler. I have been from BC Canada to New Orleans, Sturgis twice, Nashville, and down the Oregon trail. I had a 2010 street glide trike FLHXXX before the freewheeler. The Freewheeler handles better, is much faster and the comfort level is Identical. Both have and had Mustang seats. The suspension on the free and on the tri are identical and with the right luggage the capacity can be made the same