What is a motorcycle?

Jul 6, 2008
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Charlotte, NC
Name
Mattel
This months issue of AMA (American Motorcycle Association, you should be a member if you are reading this) has a great artical on what is a motorcycle. It says the government is taking comments on how to define a motorcycle. Go to regulations.gov and click submit a comment, and enter fhwa-2010-0010 in the keyword id box and click search. let them know you think the Stallion is a motorcyle by describing it in terms you like.<br /><br />
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Background<br /><br />
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FHWA has collected motorcycle registration data since 1914. In the <br /><br />
last few years, however, the population of motorcycles and related <br /><br />
vehicle types has risen dramatically. Additionally, there has been an <br /><br />
increase in motorcycle crashes due to factors including, but not <br /><br />
limited to, rider inexperience, rider impairment, decreased use of <br /><br />
helmets, and increased motorcycle use.<br /><br />
Data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's <br /><br />
(NHTSA) Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) \1\ indicates that in <br /><br />
2008, motorcycle rider fatalities increased for the eleventh <br /><br />
consecutive year: From 2,116 in 1997 to 5,290 in 2008, an increase of <br /><br />
150 percent. Other trends include a dramatic rise in motorcycle <br /><br />
ownership and changes in other factors such as motorcycle size and new <br /><br />
designs for these vehicles. However, this increase in fatality data is <br /><br />
disproportionate to reported increases in motorcycle registration and <br /><br />
in reported miles traveled. Due to this disconnect, safety advocates <br /><br />
have encouraged improving the data collection process in order to <br /><br />
better analyze and identify rider exposure and crash causality.<br /><br />
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On October 3, 2007, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) <br /><br />
sent a letter to FHWA containing an NTSB Safety Recommendation H-07-34, <br /><br />
which States:<br /><br />
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Following the 2007 Motorcycle Travel Symposium, develop <br /><br />
guidelines for the States to use to gather accurate motorcycle <br /><br />
registrations and motorcycle vehicle miles of travel data. The <br /><br />
guidelines should include information on the various methods to <br /><br />
collect registrations and vehicle miles traveled data and how these <br /><br />
methods can be put into practice.<br /><br />
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FHWA is committed to improving both sets of data.<br />
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This notice <br /><br />
addresses the NTSB recommendation to gather<br /><br />
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more accurate motorcycle registration data.

Specifically, related to <br /><br />
vehicle registrations, FHWA has established an interagency review team <br /><br />
consisting of experts from FHWA's Offices of Safety and Research, and <br /><br />
various NHTSA offices, to assist in the following activities:<br /><br />
1. Review State laws to determine the State of practice for <br /><br />
motorcycle registrations by documenting State laws and practices;<br /><br />
2. Improve the definition of motorcycles in the Guide to Reporting <br /><br />
Highway Statistics;<br /><br />
3. Develop guidelines for the States to use to gather and report <br /><br />
more accurate motorcycle registration data;<br /><br />
4. Include information on the various methods to collect and report <br /><br />
registrations in the guidelines; and<br /><br />
5. Initiate actions to bring the best methods in wider practice.<br /><br />
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Current Status<br /><br />
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FHWA's current definition of a motorcycle is two-fold: (1) <br /><br />
motorcycles and (2) motor bicycles and scooters. The current language <br /><br />
for defining motorcycles is provided in FHWA's Guide \2\ as follows:<br /><br />
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Item I.E.2. Motorcycles: This item includes two-wheeled and <br /><br />
three-wheeled motorcycles. Sidecars are not regarded as separate <br /><br />
vehicles--a motorcycle and sidecar are reported as a single unit.<br /><br />
Item I.E.3.<br />
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Motor bicycles and scooters: Mopeds should be <br /><br />
included with motor-driven cycles (motor bicycles) in the States <br /><br />
that require their registration.<br /><br />
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States annually report data to FHWA from their motor vehicle <br /><br />
registration systems. As a result, such data is based on the <br /><br />
definitions developed by States which may or may not approximate FHWA's <br /><br />
definition of motorcycles, motor bicycles, or scooters.<br /><br />
FHWA researched State legislation (including the District of <br /><br />
Columbia, but not Puerto Rico) for definitions of motorcycles and <br /><br />
similar vehicles. We found several characteristics that specifically <br /><br />
differentiated motorcycle-type vehicles from other vehicle types.

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Several States further defined the difference between motorcycles and <br /><br />
mopeds, or in a few States, motor scooters. The characteristics for <br /><br />
defining motorcycles included vehicles: with two to three wheels in <br /><br />
contact with the ground (48 States), with a seat or saddle for the <br /><br />
passenger(s) (36 States), with a sidecar or trailer (4 States), and <br /><br />
with a steering handlebar (2 States). Additionally, one State defined <br /><br />
motorcycles as having no enclosure on the vehicle for the operator <br /><br />
(driver) or passenger.<br /><br />
The following characteristics were used by some States to define <br /><br />
the difference between motorcycles, mopeds, and in a few cases, motor <br /><br />
scooters: speeds not in excess of 25 to 45 miles per hour (MPH) (3 <br /><br />
States mention 25 MPH, 13 mention 30 MPH, 1 State each mentions 35 or <br /><br />
45 MPH); engine displacement of not greater than 50 to 150 cubic <br /><br />
centimeters (cc) (21 States mention 50 cc, 1 State mentions 55 cc, and <br /><br />
1 State mentions 150 cc). Some States used brake horsepower (HP) <br /><br />
instead of, or in addition to, displacement to identify vehicle power <br /><br />
(4 States mention 1.5 HP, 12 mention 2.0 HP, 1 State mentions 2.7 HP, <br /><br />
and 1 State mentions 5 HP). Wheel diameter for differentiating <br /><br />
motorcycles and mopeds from motor scooters is mentioned by 5 States (2 <br /><br />
States mention wheel diameter greater than 10 inches, 1 State mentions <br /><br />
wheel diameter greater than 14 inches, and 2 States mention wheel <br /><br />
diameter greater than 16 inches); and 4 States mentioned a platform or <br /><br />
deck for a standing driver as a characteristic of a motor scooter.<br /><br />
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The United States uses a compatible but somewhat different <br /><br />
implementation of these ISO standards for domestic use. Title 49, Code <br /><br />
of Federal Regulations, Transportation, Part 565, Vehicle <br /><br />
Identification Number Requirements, 565.15 Content, describes VIN <br /><br />
characteristics as follows: The VIN consists of four sections of <br /><br />
characters which are grouped according to given specifications. The <br /><br />
first section consists of three characters that occupy positions one <br /><br />
through three in the VIN. These numbers uniquely identify the <br /><br />
manufacturer, make, and type of the motor vehicle.<br />
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The second section <br /><br />
consists of five characters, which occupy positions four through eight <br /><br />
in the VIN. This section identifies attributes of the vehicle. For <br /><br />
motorcycles, this would typically include the manufacturer's brand, <br /><br />
model designation, engine type (displacement for liquid fueled <br /><br />
engines), net brake horsepower (less than or greater than 2 HP), and <br /><br />
vehicle weight.

All motorcycles would fall in the grouping of vehicles <br /><br />
weighing less than 3,000 pounds. The placement of characters within <br /><br />
this section is determined by the manufacturer, but the specified <br /><br />
attributes must be decipherable with information supplied by the <br /><br />
manufacturer in accordance with 49 CFR 565.15. In addition, the model <br /><br />
year, in place 10 of the 17 digit VIN code, may also be useful for <br /><br />
motorcycle registration information for identifying vehicle age. The <br /><br />
remaining sections of the VIN would not provide the type of information <br /><br />
needed to identify motorcycle vehicle types.<br /><br />
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Reference Material<br /><br />
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The definitions of motorcycle type vehicles found in 49 CFR 571.3 <br /><br />
state that:<br /><br />
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Motorcycle means a motor vehicle with motive power having a seat <br /><br />
or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not <br /><br />
more than three wheels in contact with the ground.<br /><br />
Motor-driven cycle means a motorcycle with a motor that produces <br /><br />
5-brake horsepower or less.<br /><br />
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The Model Minimum Uniform Crash Criteria (MMUCC) \5\ defines a <br /><br />
motorcycle as a two or three-wheeled motor vehicle designed to <br /><br />
transport one or two people. Included are motor scooters, mini-bikes, <br /><br />
and mopeds.<br /><br />
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Discussion of the Proposal<br /><br />
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FHWA is seeking to provide improved registration data to agencies <br /><br />
and the public to assist in the analysis of crash data relating to <br /><br />
these vehicles. For FHWA, the issue is two-fold: FHWA must provide the <br /><br />
States complete and comprehensive instructions on the data FHWA needs <br /><br />
to collect to perform its responsibilities, and FHWA must work with the <br /><br />
States to assure that they are providing accurate data to the extent <br /><br />
that they can in accordance with FHWA instructions. A corollary to both <br /><br />
issues is that FHWA must provide instructions that allow the States to <br /><br />
provide accurate and collectable data.<br /><br />
FHWA proposes to revise its definition of motorcycles and two-and-<br /><br />
three-wheeled vehicles to better differentiate motorcycles, mopeds, and <br /><br />
motor scooters.<br />
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Further, FHWA proposes to build on the various existing <br /><br />
State definitions and to work with the States to build consensus <br /><br />
towards a uniform definition of these types of vehicles. An example of <br /><br />
potential revised definitions include the following:<br /><br />
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Item i.e.2. Motorcycles: This item includes vehicles with the <br /><br />
following characteristics:<br /><br />
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1. Two or three wheels in contact with the ground (excluding <br /><br />
trailers suitable for motorcycle hauling).<br /><br />
2.

A seat or saddle for rider (operator) and passengers (if any).<br /><br />
3. A steering handle bar.<br /><br />
4. Motor capacity exceeding 5 Horsepower.<br /><br />
5. Wheel rim diameters exceeding 10 inches.<br /><br />
6. Do not include a full enclosure for the rider (operator) or <br /><br />
passengers.<br /><br />
7. Sidecars and trailers are not regarded as separate vehicles--a <br /><br />
motorcycle and sidecar or trailer is reported as a single unit.<br /><br />
Item i.e.3.<br />
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Mopeds or motor bicycles: this item includes <br /><br />
vehicles with the following characteristics:<br /><br />
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1. Two wheels in contact with the ground.<br /><br />
2. A seat or saddle for rider (operator) and passengers (if any).<br /><br />
3. A steering handle bar.<br /><br />
4. Pedals for operation without motor assistance.<br /><br />
5.

Do not include a full enclosure for the rider (operator) or <br /><br />
passengers.<br /><br />
6. Have a brake horsepower not exceeding 5 Horsepower.<br /><br />
Item i.e.4 Motor scooters: this item includes vehicles with the <br /><br />
following characteristics:<br /><br />
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1. Two wheels in contact with the ground.<br /><br />
2. Has a platform or deck for the use of a standing rider <br /><br />
(operator).<br /><br />
3. A steering handle bar.<br /><br />
4.<br />
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Do not include a full enclosure for the rider (operator) or <br /><br />
passengers (if any).<br /><br />
5. Have a brake horsepower not exceeding 5 Horsepower.<br /><br />
6. Have a direct drive energy transmission from the engine to the <br /><br />
drive wheel(s) (no transmission).<br /><br />
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In addition, FHWA seeks comments on the issues of identifying <br /><br />
vehicles with the following characteristics:<br /><br />
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1. Two or three wheels in contact with the ground (excluding <br /><br />
trailers suitable for motorcycle hauling).<br /><br />
2. A seat for driver and passengers.<br /><br />
3. Wheel diameters exceeding 10 inches.<br /><br />
4.

An enclosure for the driver or passengers.<br /><br />
5. Sidecars and trailers are not regarded as separate vehicles--a <br /><br />
motorcycle and sidecar or trailer is reported as a single unit.<br /><br />
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FHWA also seeks comment regarding the types of three-wheeled vehicles <br /><br />
that are small and lightweight, with a minimal chassis and body that <br /><br />
may or may not be fully enclosed by doors and/or windows. Examples <br /><br />
include commercial vehicles such as the Zapcar and T-Rex. FHWA seeks <br /><br />
comments on all revised definitions above and on any other definitions <br /><br />
that would provide value.<br /><br />
Another approach would be for FHWA to request the States to report <br /><br />
additional information on the relevant sections of the VIN of every <br /><br />
motorcycle type vehicle registered with the States.<br />
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FHWA could request <br /><br />
States to report the relevant digits of the VIN of the registered <br /><br />
motorcycle to gather additional details on the motorcycle <br /><br />
characteristics and avoid digits that indicate a specific vehicle. By <br /><br />
only asking for the characteristic-relevant digits, FHWA would avoid <br /><br />
gathering any unique identifier of the vehicle (and the owner of the <br /><br />
vehicle). FHWA seeks comments on whether the collection of this <br /><br />
information would raise privacy concerns.<br /><br />
Discussion with experts in the field indicates that motorcycle <br /><br />
attributes contained in the VIN are less standardized than those for <br /><br />
auto or truck type vehicles. This implies that VIN data may not be as <br /><br />
helpful in classifying motorcycle type vehicles as some may believe. <br /><br />
The VIN approach also adds considerable cost to FHWA's data collection <br /><br />
and analysis program and may not provide significantly new or <br /><br />
additional information. FHWA seeks comments on whether the collection <br /><br />
of information contained in the VIN would provide useful or valuable <br /><br />
information and if that information is useful, whether that information <br /><br />
could be collected in another way.
 
I can appreciate the reasons a Stallion should be called a motorcycle. However, in TX, I am running into an issue because they are requiring that I take the motorcycle safety course to get a motorcycle endorsement for my driver's license. The reason I bought a Stallion was for the automatic feature and the steering wheel. I don't want to learn about changing gears, leaning, hand brakes, keeping it steady. Does anyone in Texas know where I can take the safety course on my Stallion? Can't find anything in the Houston area yet.
Thanks a million.
Stallion Girl
 
stalliongirl, call TBMS and see if they can help you out. The factory is there in Texas
 
This is the same problem in Conn. they want you to get a motorcycle endorsement to ride anything called a motorcycle (Trike Sidecar or Stallion) I have been to the State Capitol on this issue they don't even want to talk about it. also the enclosed cockpit is throwing them for a loop. I do not believe there is one Stallion operating in Conn. as of this moment , because they can't decide if it is a car or a motorcycle. It fits neither description....
 
John I believe the resolution is a motorcycle endorcement with a trike restriction as they due here in Florida. You take the motorcycle written, you have to take a safety class (there are some that are geared to trikes) you get a lic. with a motorcycle endorcement restricted to 3 wheels only. <br />
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By definition a Stallion is a motorcycle here in Florida and by the feds in the definition Mattel wrote above. I believe it is in our interest to keep it that way, because the Stallion does not meet all the restrictions (air bags, bumpers, etc) required for a car. Therefore it would go away.
 
WooHoo! I passed my basic rider course (required for TX) at Awesome Cycles in Houston. They allowed me to take the class on a 125cc scooter. They were absolutely fantastic and I got my M endorsement today. This should solve the licensing issue for those who don't want to learn on a 2-wheeler.

Stallion Girl
 
Take you trike or you Stallion to the MSC and use it for the riding portion.<br />
Yes, the govenment is dumb too. Anything w/a steering wheel, no matter how many tires it sits on, is not a motorcycle! Just kidding-Don't flame me, I like 'em to. It's just to hard for my wife and I to get in and out of one!<br />
Contact you local ABATE-Tell them to lobby for trike licensing!
 
Found out today that if you have any medical reason for not being able to operate a 2 wheeler , Inner ear infection , bad knees etc. Get Doctor slip and you can take it on a trike .
 
deputydawg.

My wife has bad knees and she has her system to get in and out of the Stallion with ease. She has trouble climbing more than a couple of stairs.

In Florida a Stallion is a motorcycle. She has a motorcycle lic. (required for the Stallion) with a trike restriction. The Stallion has a motorcycle plate. Florida defines motorcycle as a vehicle with 2 or 3 wheels.

I think if someone showed you the entry/exit secret you would see that it is not as difficult as most make it out to be.
 
Take you trike or you Stallion to the MSC and use it for the riding portion.
Yes, the govenment is dumb too. Anything w/a steering wheel, no matter how many tires it sits on, is not a motorcycle! Just kidding-Don't flame me, I like 'em to. It's just to hard for my wife and I to get in and out of one!
Contact you local ABATE-Tell them to lobby for trike licensing!

I already did after the last artical in the AMA mag. They did not even know the Stallion existed. I would have thought TBMS would have atleast paid them a visit.
 
Texas no longer does road tests to get the motorcycle license. You MUST take the Basic Rider Course, take your certificate to the DMV and take an on-screen knowledge test to get the license. I had tried taking the Stallion there first. Law changed in Sept 2009. I agree, you would think TBMS would have notified the state of this vehicle.
 
I have had Harley blood in me for a very long time now...Even want to trike it these days...But the more I see the Ford Horse the more I want one...Now I may get blasted for this but....To me it is a three wheel roadster....It does have all the features of a car....And I am fine with that...
 
Welcome RickDeVon. I ride a HD trike and my wife has a Stallion. So I get to experience both worlds. They are different and she loves hers for the reasons you mention. I like riding her Stallion but still love my HD. If you like the Stallion it is a great machine.
 
Rick: One year ago June I had to take my stallion to Springfield,Il. to the Hqdrs of Sect of State of Ill.. They had never seen a Stallion prior to this.. They reset the trike course using my Stallion and when finished they adjusted the course to fit the stallion. Length width corners etc. Guarantee you can get a trike lisc, in Ill. with a Stallion.. It is a motorcycle here. Charlie D. P>S>S> 10 minutes later the IMP took the Stallion and passed the course and now has her lisc. and had never been on a course in her life before..
 
Trikes should not be classified as motorcycles, they are not motorcycles.
here in Nevada they are called trimobiles. you do not need a endorsement. you should not need an endorsement to ride a trike, especially if you drive a stallion. a stallion is definitely not a motorcycle.

A motorcycle has two wheels and requires balancing the vehicle and is inherently unstable. you must learn how to ride a motorcycle and how not to,and how to lay it down in an emergency. a motorcycle can slide out from under you, it will if you don't know how to ride it.

A trimobile stands on it's own like a car. anyone can ride/drive a trike with little or no training. a stallion has an automatic trans and a steering wheel and seat belts. the reason we are exempt from helmet laws is because trikes are stable on the road and safer.

I repeat trikes are not motorcycles, even if it is made from a motorcycle.

What about a convertibles, it does not have an enclosure for the driver/passenger when the top is down just like a stallion. how would you classify a stallion with a soft top. what about three wheeled cars. should you have to have an endorsement to drive these.

When they require safety courses to ride/drive a stallion , tell them you took that course in high school. IT WAS CALLED DRIVER EDUCATION

We are not motorcycles nor should we be grouped in with them. nor should mopeds be grouped with either trikes or motorcycles. they are each different animals. granted most of us have motorcycle backgrounds. the wind in your face is the same as a motorcycle, but so is a convertible car.

My :2cents: endorsments for trikes as motorcycles is just another way to keep us down, controlled, and scared.
 
Trikes should not be classified as motorcycles, they are not motorcycles.
here in Nevada they are called trimobiles. you do not need a endorsement. you should not need an endorsement to ride a trike, especially if you drive a stallion. a stallion is definitely not a motorcycle.

A motorcycle has two wheels and requires balancing the vehicle and is inherently unstable. you must learn how to ride a motorcycle and how not to,and how to lay it down in an emergency. a motorcycle can slide out from under you, it will if you don't know how to ride it.

A trimobile stands on it's own like a car. anyone can ride/drive a trike with little or no training. a stallion has an automatic trans and a steering wheel and seat belts. the reason we are exempt from helmet laws is because trikes are stable on the road and safer.

I repeat trikes are not motorcycles, even if it is made from a motorcycle.

What about a convertibles, it does not have an enclosure for the driver/passenger when the top is down just like a stallion. how would you classify a stallion with a soft top. what about three wheeled cars. should you have to have an endorsement to drive these.

When they require safety courses to ride/drive a stallion , tell them you took that course in high school. IT WAS CALLED DRIVER EDUCATION

We are not motorcycles nor should we be grouped in with them. nor should mopeds be grouped with either trikes or motorcycles. they are each different animals. granted most of us have motorcycle backgrounds. the wind in your face is the same as a motorcycle, but so is a convertible car.

My :2cents: endorsments for trikes as motorcycles is just another way to keep us down, controlled, and scared.


Good summery, but the issue is about grouping them in the choices they already have. This is the government we are talking about. They don't have a third or fourth group, that is why they are left with the choice of Motorccle or car. If you look at most mopeds, they are considered motorized bicycles, and the bicycle laws apply. Here, most states and nationally they don't have a third choice. It is Motorcycle or Car.
 
TRIMOBILE is a current classification it describes a vehicle with three wheels.
They don't have the intelligence to use the third option.
there are lots of trimobile cars out there, anybody remember erkil's BMW
 
I understand your rationale, but the main problem with being classified as a "trimobile" is that with the different states, or for that matter even nationally, if it is classified between being a motorcycle and a car (which technically it is) what kind of "safety" requirements would it then have to meet. If it no longer fits the motorcycle category you will now run into it having, possibly, to have 5 mph bumpers, seat belts, maybe multiple airbags, side crash beams, windshield wipers, etc... When and if that happens, as far as the Stallion is concerned it will probably just go away as to add all those features would increase the price, probably change it's appearance and as you mentioned you may as well just buy a convertible.

I haven't driven/riden a Stallion yet...should be able to in about 3 more weeks, but if it came with all those features and the looks of it were impacted by them in a major way I would probably not be interested. And from what I have read and been told by many on this board is it is a great ride the way it is.

If you are basically speaking from a licensing perspective, I can definitely see your point as maybe that should be addressed. One of the reasons I am looking at the Stallion is that I would like for my wife to get more involved with me in going on trips in this type of vehicle as she just isn't that comfortable with riding (a lot) on the back of a motorcycle. In addition I would love for it to be easier for her to learn how to "drive/ride" it but that does mean her having to have an endorsement on her license (here in Florida) and they do have a special trike licensing class (one in Orlando) but it just adds that much more that she will have to go thru to be able to "pilot" the Stallion...I am hoping she will be patient and work her way thru it so that she can go by herself in it if she wants to.

Dennis

13 dtg KAF
18 dtg Dubai
19 dtg Home
40 dtg London
 
triwinggirl

I hear what you are tiring to say, but your facts are a little off. Nevada DMV by definition: "Motorcycle” means every motor vehicle equipped with a seat or a saddle for the use of the driver and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, including a power cycle but excluding a tractor and a moped. (NRS 486.041).

They also say under licensing: Trimobile” means every motor vehicle designed to travel with three wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are power driven.

NRS 486.061 License required to operate motorcycle or trimobile; exception. Except for a nonresident who is at least 16 years of age and is authorized by the person’s state of residency to drive a motorcycle, a person shall not drive:

2. A trimobile upon a highway unless that person holds a valid motorcycle driver’s license issued pursuant to NRS 486.011 to 486.381, inclusive, or a driver’s license issued pursuant to chapter 483 of NRS.

It appears they register trikes as motorcycles, but do not require a motorcycle endorsement.

The vehicle then is defined as a motorcycle. But a seperate license is not required for the application "trimobile"

The Stallion is defined in all 50 states as a motorcycle. Some require a motorcycle lic., some have a 3 wheel restriction and some the Nevada just requires a regular drivers lic.

"I" (IMO) feel that trikes are motorcycles. The 3 wheel version has been around almost as long as the 2 wheel version and always has been referred to as a motorcycle.
 
Dennis,

I found it easy to get a trike endorsement in Florida. I went to the DMV in Sarasota on my GW trike. Took the written test and then went out on the driving course. The examiner told me go 10 mph and then slam on the brakes. Hard to fail that one. Then he told me to ride the motorcycle course staying between the cones at all times. I told him that the cones were to close together and I wouldn't be able to make it through the first corner. He said "ok you passed". Most Florida DMV test centers aren't set up for trike driving tests, which makes it very easy to get a trike endorsment.:)

JJ
 
triwinggirl

I hear what you are tiring to say, but your facts are a little off. Nevada DMV by definition: "Motorcycle” means every motor vehicle equipped with a seat or a saddle for the use of the driver and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, including a power cycle but excluding a tractor and a moped. (NRS 486.041).

They also say under licensing: Trimobile” means every motor vehicle designed to travel with three wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are power driven.

NRS 486.061 License required to operate motorcycle or trimobile; exception. Except for a nonresident who is at least 16 years of age and is authorized by the person’s state of residency to drive a motorcycle, a person shall not drive:

2. A trimobile upon a highway unless that person holds a valid motorcycle driver’s license issued pursuant to NRS 486.011 to 486.381, inclusive, or a driver’s license issued pursuant to chapter 483 of NRS.

It appears they register trikes as motorcycles, but do not require a motorcycle endorsement.

The vehicle then is defined as a motorcycle. But a seperate license is not required for the application "trimobile"

The Stallion is defined in all 50 states as a motorcycle. Some require a motorcycle lic., some have a 3 wheel restriction and some the Nevada just requires a regular drivers lic.

"I" (IMO) feel that trikes are motorcycles. The 3 wheel version has been around almost as long as the 2 wheel version and always has been referred to as a motorcycle.

NRS 486.370 “Motorcycle” does not include trimobile.

NRS 486.057 Trimobile defined : Trimobile” means every motor vehicle designed to travel with three wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are power driven.

(Added to NRS by 1979, 856)

NRS: 486.061: License required to operate motorcycle or trimobile; exception. Except for a nonresident who is at least 16 years of age and is authorized by the person’s state of residency to drive a motorcycle, a person shall not drive:

1. A motorcycle, except a trimobile, upon a highway unless that person holds a valid motorcycle driver’s license issued pursuant to NRS 486.011 to 486.381, inclusive, or a driver’s license issued pursuant to chapter 483 of NRS endorsed to authorize the holder to drive a motorcycle.

2. A trimobile upon a highway unless that person holds a valid motorcycle driver’s license issued pursuant to NRS 486.011 to 486.381, inclusive, or a driver’s license issued pursuant to chapter 483 of NRS.

NRS486.041 “Motorcycle” defined. “Motorcycle” means every motor vehicle equipped with a seat or a saddle for the use of the driver and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, excluding an electric bicycle as defined in NRS 483.067, a tractor and a moped.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 1465; A 1975, 1082; 2009

NRS 486.231 Protective headgear and glasses: Standards; when use required.

1. The Department shall adopt standards for protective headgear and protective glasses, goggles or face shields to be worn by the drivers and passengers of motorcycles and transparent windscreens for motorcycles.

2. Except as provided in this section, when any motorcycle, except a trimobile or moped, is being driven on a highway, the driver and passenger shall wear protective headgear securely fastened on the head and protective glasses, goggles or face shields meeting those standards. Drivers and passengers of trimobiles shall wear protective glasses, goggles or face shields which meet those standards.

3. When a motorcycle or a trimobile is equipped with a transparent windscreen meeting those standards, the driver and passenger are not required to wear glasses, goggles or face shields.

4. When a motorcycle is being driven in a parade authorized by a local authority, the driver and passenger are not required to wear the protective devices provided for in this section.

5. When a three-wheel motorcycle on which the driver and passengers ride within an enclosed cab is being driven on a highway, the driver and passengers are not required to wear the protective devices required by this section.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 1469; A 1973, 1194; 1975, 1083; 1979, 857; 1985, 1959)


Although i appeciate your looking up my local laws for me you are completely miss reading them.

all trikes are registered as TRIMOBILES here. NOT MOTORCYCLES
Yes they give us motorcycle license plates, we are only required to have a drivers license,
We are exempt from all laws governing motorcycles, including, helmets, endorsments, gear, boots, all laws governing motorcycles.

My trike is registered as a TRIMOBILE according to the law

Trikes are not motorcycles, this includes the stallion, and any trike with two wheels powered, this does not include the can-am

a trike with two wheels in front for steering and one powered wheel is a motorcycle

I carry a copy of these laws with me at all times in case of dispute
 
In Texas, anything less than 4 wheels gets classified as a motorcycle. After much searching, I was able to find Awesome Cycles just north of Houston. They let me take the Basic Rider Course on a little scooter--125cc, hand brakes and throttle but no gears and nothing to do with your feet! They were so supportive and encouraging. I love riding the Stallion and agree that to classify it as a car would change the looks and price beyond reach. I think TBMS needs to lobby to get the licensing laws modified or adjusted. They are missing a huge market of women who have been co-riders for years and want to be drivers!

Stallion Girl
 
Funny thing is that I just don't understand TBMS. Sure they are nice people, they have a great product and they stand behind it, but...... When I this issue first surfaced in the pages of the AMA magizine, I contacted the AMA and introduced them to the Stallion. The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) is the primary force lobbying for Motorcycle rights nationaly and locally. They said they never heard of a Stallion and were very thankfull to find this information out.

With all this, I would think TBMS would do more to use the existing networks out there to get their product out to the public. Get it in a movie, on a TV show, something........ I just don't see TBMS doing anything like this. I would settle for them just giving us some inside information on this site. We are their customer base. I would be nice to give us updates, insitghts, take polls of what we like and dislike.

But.. start by getting invovled like you say.... That woud be a way to leverage the way their trike is impacted by this future major law change.
 

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