Venture Power?

[Craigatcsi]

Are any of you with the second generation hannigan kit disappointed with power?

I pull a Bushtec Roadstar and am worried about power on the open road.

 

[steamer]

Are any of you with the second generation hannigan kit disappointed with power?

I pull a Bushtec Roadstar and am worried about power on the open road.

I have an RSV with motortrike. We pull a timeout tent trailer, total load about 500 lbs. The only time I know its back there is on hills.

 

[adventurer 08]

I ride a 08 RSV with a Hannigan kit and I do feel a little lose of power but your adding about 350lbs on to the bike. Mine still has plenty of power to ride two up on the eway, I have a trailer but have not used it on a long trip yet.

 

[Cougar]

Stay in 4th gear.

 

[Pegasus1300]

Remember that your 5th gear is an overdrive. It will not hurt run in 4th gear,even over a long distance. The V4 has plenty of power but under some conditions the gearing doesn't match up just right.

 

[Veritas44]

Remember that your 5th gear is an overdrive. It will not hurt run in 4th gear,even over a long distance. The V4 has plenty of power but under some conditions the gearing doesn't match up just right.

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[tfdeputydawg]

An observation I made a long time ago when testing various bike/trike combinations:
While the bikes have different HP/torque ratings the trike manufacturers seem to use the same rear end gear ratios.
Maybe some different gear ratio offerings for different bikes should be thought about.

 

[alwrmcusn]

I have a 2009 Venture Hannigan kit. I have no problem keeping up with the rest of the bikes. Matter of fact on a couple of rides I have led, I've been told I need to hold it down just a little!! You will notice a slight difference if you are moving from the same bike (two wheels) to a trike but with the added weight, about 350 pounds, that is to be expected. However I think you will likely be pleasantly surprised in how much "git up n' go" you still have, even two up and loaded.
Edit: Also consider that this is a 1300cc machine that more than holds its own with the 1700-1800cc crowd in torque, HP and top speed.

 

[Ragtop69gs]

We have both 2 & 3 wheeled Ventures and have done 2 up trips with a heavy trailer (250-450 Lbs) in tow with both bikes.

With the '01 2 wheeler you do have a bit more power to get you going, but, braking is a bit slower and need to be a consideration at all times. Under most conditions you don't know it's back there.

With the '08 Venture/Hannigan, acceleration is a bit slower from a stop, but has ton's of braking power and I don't have to ride any different with or without the trailer in tow other than from a stop.

With either bike all you need to do is drop down 1 gear lower and the power you need is there, even on steep mountain passes. It doesn't have the power of a Gold Wing, but is way more comfortable on a long trip and given the choice I'll take the comfort for rider and pillion every time.

I don't think a Venture trike will disappoint you.

 

[Craigatcsi]

Thanks to all for the replies!
This whole thing really has my stomach in knots! This is A LOT of money for us, which we CAN afford, but can only afford it once. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Venture, but find that I avoid it unless we are going out of town trip, because of the weight & my bad legs. When we are in town we take our lighter Vulcan 1500, which is nowhere near as comfortable!

I have thought about buy a cheaper, used Trike, but I KNOW my bike and it's history.

i have not heard of ONE person that regrets Triking their bike. Though I HAVE heard of people regretting selling theirs.

The power issue has been holding me up. It sounds like it is a non-issue, so I really need to bite the bullet and get this going.

as soon as I can take a few hours from work, I will have to stop by the credit union and get this going.

thanks again folks.

 

[Ragtop69gs]

Thanks to all for the replies!

This whole thing really has my stomach in knots! This is A LOT of money for us, which we CAN afford, but can only afford it once. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Venture, but find that I avoid it unless we are going out of town trip, because of the weight & my bad legs. When we are in town we take our lighter Vulcan 1500, which is nowhere near as comfortable!

I have thought about buy a cheaper, used Trike, but I KNOW my bike and it's history.

i have not heard of ONE person that regrets Triking their bike. Though I HAVE heard of people regretting selling theirs.

The power issue has been holding me up. It sounds like it is a non-issue, so I really need to bite the bullet and get this going.

as soon as I can take a few hours from work, I will have to stop by the credit union and get this going.

thanks again folks.

I tink you'll be happy. I have just as much fun no matter which bike I ride. I know I'm way faster in the twisties on the trike. Put a rear Michlin CommanderII up front , in reverse rotation, and that trike sticks like glue through the turns. Your friends will just be a dot in the mirror!

Lol

 

[Papa Zook]

I will bet money that the net weight gain is not 350 lbs after the trike conversion. That may be what the trike kit itself weighs but you have to subtract all the take off parts like the rear fender, wheel, tire, swingarm, axle, hub, brake disc, brake caliper, drive shaft, tail light, turn signals, tag bracket, saddlebags, brackets, etc. Its probably more like 200-250 lbs or so net gain. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Bones158]

I've had no problems with power or lack of. Do you have the Dyna 3000 Power Commander? With that and resetting your PMS screw adjustment out just a bit you should be good.

 

[Veritas44]

Probably closer to 250 than 350.
Anybody with a RSV Trike live close to a Truck Stop with a Cat-Scale?

 

[alwrmcusn]

In ref to Bazookas weight comment:
I've never thought of it that way. I've just blindly :xzqxz: accepted the 300-350 pound weight gain statement. But now I really believe it probably is closer to 200-250 pounds. Whatever it is, my RSV Hannigan has the power and speed that I enjoy.

 

[Bones158]

Yes, Power Commander on the 4 carb Venture. I was lucky enough that one was installed when I bought my 05 used in 06. I rode my friends 06 Venture without one and what a lack in power compared to mine. It advances your spark (timing) and increases your rev limit. Go to the Delphi forum and do a search , <b>Royal Star Venture and Tour Deluxe Forum</b>. The CPU is mounted under your battery box. Just unplug and replug. The newer units now have a USB port plug and program to set the settings that u want. Mine just has the little slide switches that are numbered for what u need. Good luck.

This unit makes your Venture come alive.<br />
The PMS screws are set from the factory on the lean side. By just turning them 1/4 turn out makes a nice difference. <br />
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<a href="http://forums.delphiforums.com/vrider/messages/?msg=14372.1" target="_blank">http://forums.delphiforums.com/vride...s/?msg=14372.1</a>.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.dynaonline.com/skins/products/metric_cruisers/dyna_3000/" target="_blank">http://www.dynaonline.com/skins/prod...ers/dyna_3000/</a>

 

[Pegasus1300]

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<div class="message">Thanks to all for the replies!<br />
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This whole thing really has my stomach in knots! This is A LOT of money for us, which we CAN afford, but can only afford it once. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Venture, but find that I avoid it unless we are going out of town trip, because of the weight & my bad legs. When we are in town we take our lighter Vulcan 1500, which is nowhere near as comfortable!<br />
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I have thought about buy a cheaper, used Trike, but I KNOW my bike and it's history.<br />
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i have not heard of ONE person that regrets Triking their bike. Though I HAVE heard of people regretting selling theirs.<br />
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The power issue has been holding me up. It sounds like it is a non-issue, so I really need to bite the bullet and get this going.<br />
<br />
as soon as I can take a few hours from work, I will have to stop by the credit union and get this going.<br />
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thanks again folks.</div>

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</div>Stop stressing and go pull the trigger. It will do anything you want it to do. If you can get different gears for whatever rear end they use do an 11% reduction. That is what you get when you swap in a VMax rear end into a 2 wheeled Venture and everyone who has done that says it really wakes the bike up.<br />
I totaled my 08 RSV-S and let the insurance company take it. I should have triked it,but instead I bought a Goldwing trike.

It is a great machine but I so miss my V4's. They just fit me so much better then the Wing. I hope soon I can afford to buy a low mileage RSTD or RSV to trike.

 

[Cougar]

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<div class="message">Thanks to all for the replies!<br />
<br />
This whole thing really has my stomach in knots! This is A LOT of money for us, which we CAN afford, but can only afford it once. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Venture, but find that I avoid it unless we are going out of town trip, because of the weight & my bad legs. When we are in town we take our lighter Vulcan 1500, which is nowhere near as comfortable!<br />
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I have thought about buy a cheaper, used Trike, but I KNOW my bike and it's history.<br />
<br />
i have not heard of ONE person that regrets Triking their bike. Though I HAVE heard of people regretting selling theirs.<br />
<br />
The power issue has been holding me up. It sounds like it is a non-issue, so I really need to bite the bullet and get this going.<br />
<br />
as soon as I can take a few hours from work, I will have to stop by the credit union and get this going.<br />
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thanks again folks.</div>

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</div>Think your stomach in knots now <img src="images/smilies/grin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="big grin" class="inlineimg" /> wait till you have the WAIT while it is being triked <img src="images/smilies/laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" /><br />
Please do not worry as I did and all the rest of us did, it will be worth EVERY PENNY you<br />
spent on the conversion and you will wonder why you waited so long to do this.<br />
RELAX and ENJOY !!<br />
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Oh feel free to call me anytime when your nerves get all in knots <br />
If you have more question's, I am at 6 years now and have enjoyed every ride on my Hannigan.<br />
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Jeff

 

[Carbon_One]

One thing not mentioned is that Hannigan does change the rear axle gear ratio compared to the stock gearing of the Venture. Stock gearing is 3:03 -1 to, I think, 3:73 for their trike kit. Could be off on these numbers a bit but they're close enough. What this does with the gearing difference is that it'll raise the rpm's about 500 rpm's @ 70 mph. This will bring the rpm's back into the sweet spot of power and not cause the engine to lug like it would do if left at the stock ratio. The thing you'll notice most is that with the lower gearing is a better off the line start and also less need to be down shifting on hilly roads. The only negative is a lower fuel mpg but you can't avoid that anyhow when triking due to added weight. <br />
As has been said just go for it . I like others have never regretted triking either of my two Ventures.<br />
Larry

 

[berngren]

I agree with Cougar. Fourth gear is the best when pulling heavy load. I ride fourth gear even when I don't pull my trailer. (aluminum) I have the 09 RSV Hannigan kit, and there is plenty of power in the fourth gear. I discovered the the fifth gear (overdrive ) performs best at speeds of 75 and above. <br />
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I do run 4th gear at 75 and it still have plenty of power to continue - but I usually will shift to the fifth. As far as power is concern - there is plenty of power in the V4 1300 engine. I'm able to keep up with most of the trikes. <br />
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You won't be disappointed with power except starting off in the first two gears. The weight (320) added to the trike does make it sluggish in those gears.

I usually ride 1 up and the first two gears don't exist as far as I'm concern. I ride slow on roads with traffic lights so I don't have to stop to often.<br />
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Anyway - whatever you do - enjoy the bike and be safe.

 

[Cougar]

Same here I will not even think about 5th gear unless I am on a long, long freeway
and I might hit 70 then I will kick it into 5th. otherwise I never go over 4th anymore.
the gas mileage is the same , and these engines like the higher revs.

However , as of two days ago. I am looking into this option as well. I even
have a second complete clutch basket to send in as they need the whole unit
so your Trike will be down for a bit. If I don't like it I just throw the old one
back in cost is $695

http://www.efmautoclutch.com/
http://www.efmautoclutch.com/street.shtml

I won't be able to order it in till the end of FEB. But I am excited to give it a try
view some of the videos.

This will help with some of my wrist problems as well. you also can still use the
clutch lever if you want but with only half the pull on the lever.

Jeff

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Probably closer to 250 than 350.
Anybody with a RSV Trike live close to a Truck Stop with a Cat-Scale?

We do ours is for corn and beans that OK :cxtv:
mine will weigh way over that tho. I have a million tons
of extra chrome and so many add on's. I bet our Trike weighs over 1400 lbs.

 

[Ragtop69gs]

Jeff,<br />
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I posted these concerns on my VR thread but will post them here too. <br />
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<span style="font-family: verdana">Some things to be aware of if using an autoclutch setup</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: verdana">If you park the bike while it’s in gear, it can roll on an incline since the auto clutch is not engaged. Several people have suggested wrapping an inner tube around the front brake to hold it.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: verdana">Because the bike will roll when parked in gear, it’s easy to believe it’s in neutral when it isn’t. It’s important to always make sure it’s in neutral before starting so it can’t take off on its own, especially if you’re using a choke. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: verdana">Inability to push start the bike if you find yourself with a dead battery.</span>

 

[bongobobny]

Craig, I regularly push Sexi on the interstate 2 up with the trailer at speeds of 70 - 80 with no issues other than gas mileage. With the different rear ratio what you will notice is a lot higher RPM's for the same speed as the 2 wheel. It's sort of like swapping out the stock RSV with a VMax rear end on the 2 wheelers, the RPM's go up but the bike is more responsive, and 5th gear then becomes more practical.<br />
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You are going to be hard pressed to find a more comfortable option than the Hannigan RSV. The only issue I have is the need to get the handlebars back further, which I am accomplishing with a combination of Flanders bars and Baron's risers. That and Kuryakyn longhorn pegs for me and Diamond R switchblade pegs for Becky and we are happy campers! For seating the stock pillowtops are best but do the Butt Butler mod on your seat. We also use a sheepskin which makes a world of difference. A Utopia backrest for me completes the driving comfort.<br />
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Now if you really want power, then talk to Dingy and convert to a VMax engine...<br />
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PS the Dyna 3000 is my next investment...

 

[Cougar]

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<div class="message">Jeff,<br />
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I posted these concerns on my VR thread but will post them here too. <br />
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<span style="font-family: verdana">Some things to be aware of if using an autoclutch setup</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: verdana">If you park the bike while it’s in gear, it can roll on an incline since the auto clutch is not engaged. Several people have suggested wrapping an inner tube around the front brake to hold it.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: verdana">Because the bike will roll when parked in gear, it’s easy to believe it’s in neutral when it isn’t. It’s important to always make sure it’s in neutral before starting so it can’t take off on its own, especially if you’re using a choke. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: verdana">Inability to push start the bike if you find yourself with a dead battery.</span></div>

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</div>Just sent you a email, I also have all that in consideration as well. Yup gunna do it. It will really<br />
help my wrist I believe.<br />
I am looking into something like this to lock the front brake I think or use velvro<br />
<a href="http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-lock/grip-lock/" target="_blank">http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motor...ock/grip-lock/</a><br />
these are about $49<br />
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Jeff

 

[Cougar]

EFM Auto Clutch

UPDATE :<br />
<br />
My Basket is at EFM for the MOD.<br />
<br />
Will post picks and stuff later. this will be nice not<br />
having to pull the clutch lever in at all. you can if<br />
you want to. its about a 1/4 pull if you use it.<br />
<br />
He is making it a bit different do to the weight of the Trike.<br />
(adding more weight to something)<br />
<br />
I also talked with Hannigan and they now make a parking break<br />
for the RSV Trike. OH MY !!! so many add-ons.<br />
<br />
I did order Velcro for my temporary parking break until I go ahead<br />
with Hannigans parking break.<br />
<br />
Will keep you posted.<br />
<br />
Jeff

 

[Cougar]

UPDATE ::

MOD is DONE... will be shipped out tomorrow...<br />
<br />
( 1 day turn around ) <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Garry did a bunch of stuff even added extra holes for <br />
<br />
more oil flow.... the other thing he mentioned is that<br />
<br />
I remove the fluid from my clutch master cyl... and <br />
<br />
a few other things I will get into later. this outta be <br />
<br />
interesting . He ahs it set up pretty good for the Trike<br />
<br />
he says. there are 34 steel balls in the plate and 6 titanium's<br />
<br />
balls for the Trike Wight. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Will keep you posted , but should be able to test it in the garage I hope<br />
<br />
be another month before I can ride tho. if I am lucky.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Jeff

 

[Cougar]

3/14/14 update :

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After talking a bit more with Garry,

I was
not shifting in the right manner for the auto
clutch, you must let off the
throttle just a tad then shift
for no slip. so the set-up was perfect from
the get go.

The first time I road with it I was letting the RPMs drop as
if you
used the clutch lever. (that will cause the slip)

I road more
today and I absolutely love it.

So if anyone want to go this
route for there trike it will
take a few miles to learn it. kind of like
going from 2 wheels
to 3 wheels. I just wish It the roads and weather would
get better
soon so I can really work this clutch harder.

I think the
hardest part is not wanting to pull the clutch lever in all the time

I do think that it is a good thing for a
Trike . Not sure for the 2 wheelers tho.

If you decide to go this route
feel free to call me or email me in the future.

Now to add the Parking
Brake.
Made By Hannigan

 

[jhennan]

Re: Venture Power? front brake

For the front brake I drilled a hole thru the ball shape on the brake lever. took a pc. of leather string about a ft. long tied the two ends together at a point where when I applied the brake I slipped the loop over the throttle and it held the brake tight. I added extra length after the knot and put some colored beads on the string to use has a pulling handle so to speak. works great. and the leather doesn't stretch out.

 

[Cougar]

jhennan so you also have added the EFM Auto Clutch?
would like to pick your brain if you have time one day please.
Sunday I will be able to give it a really good test.
Jeff