TTS Help

[427dave]

My shop installed a TTS tuner when I changed headers, mufflers, and A/C. The problem is they did NOT save the stock tuning as the instructions tell them to. The other problem is they did NOT save or give me the tuning that they uploaded. Now I want to make a change and I can not edit or monitor because I do NOT have the program map on my computer that they uploaded. I went and ask them for it and they did not save it and do not remember what they used. TTS tells me I need that info in order to edit. Harley says I need to buy a new stock ECM and start over, great! I am now thinking of a ThunderMax because of all this. Anyone have any experience with the ThunderMax, a shop here said not to use ThunderMax as they are old technology and junk. Anyone know how to get the TTS info????? how about getting the stock Harley info back and starting over correctly????

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

My shop installed a TTS tuner when I changed headers, mufflers, and A/C. The problem is they did NOT save the stock tuning as the instructions tell them to. The other problem is they did NOT save or give me the tuning that they uploaded. Now I want to make a change and I can not edit or monitor because I do NOT have the program map on my computer that they uploaded. I went and ask them for it and they did not save it and do not remember what they used. TTS tells me I need that info in order to edit. Harley says I need to buy a new stock ECM and start over, great! I am now thinking of a ThunderMax because of all this. Anyone have any experience with the ThunderMax, a shop here said not to use ThunderMax as they are old technology and junk. Anyone know how to get the TTS info????? how about getting the stock Harley info back and starting over correctly????

Dave

Hang on....

First, I'm sorry to hear your tuning dealer did not save your factory file. It is the first thing that pops up on the program when you flash the ECM for the first time.

Second, it is up to the tuning dealer to save all tuning files.

Third, there is no need to purchase another ECM. Harley is incorrect.

OK... so this is what you do but I have a few questions first.


Did the shop that installed your mods and the TTS dyno your ride or did they just flash a calibration from the TTS library? Did you pay them for a dyno tune?

 

[msocko3]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

My shop installed a TTS tuner when I changed headers, mufflers, and A/C. The problem is they did NOT save the stock tuning as the instructions tell them to. The other problem is they did NOT save or give me the tuning that they uploaded. Now I want to make a change and I can not edit or monitor because I do NOT have the program map on my computer that they uploaded. I went and ask them for it and they did not save it and do not remember what they used. TTS tells me I need that info in order to edit. Harley says I need to buy a new stock ECM and start over, great! I am now thinking of a ThunderMax because of all this. Anyone have any experience with the ThunderMax, a shop here said not to use ThunderMax as they are old technology and junk. Anyone know how to get the TTS info????? how about getting the stock Harley info back and starting over correctly????

Wow talk about sloppy work, amazing what some places do or don't do. The HD dealer is wrong about buying a new stock ECM.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

I moved Dave's thread here to keep if from getting lost in the forest.

Dave... shoot me the answer to my quick questions so I can assist you through this. It isn't hard to fix, just need to know which direction to take you.

 

[10rhrk]

I'm following this thread with great interest as I'm trying to learn more about Tuning. Reading and learning from Wiz and M3, plus a few other's.

If I were in 427dave's shoe's, I would be talking to the owner of this shop asking why they screwed up like this? Too much money spent to not get what you paid for. Looking forward to seeing the outcome of this.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

There are a few ways to go here. The reason I'm asking these questions will direct me to the best solution.

If the shop simply put in a canned flash then there is no "real" tune and all we need is the cal ID from the ECM, easy to get.

If the shop did a dyno then there is a way to get that info but TTS must get involved. Dave can simply save the calibration in the ECM and call it his Factory OEM File. A tuner manufacturer can read a .MTE file and put the tables on an excel spread sheet then email the owner back these tables. These tables can be pasted to a proper canned calibration and bam.. restored dyno cal.

Now... this is an uncommon approach and the tuner manufacturer has to take time to do this and if hit up by several people then they will not offer this anymore. It takes up too much of their time but it can be done if absolutely necessary.

Dave has the opportunity to, due to the shops muck up, have them reimburse him for any costs of the dyno tune if he pushes it especially if they mucked it up where a new ECM must be purchased but I highly doubt that is the case.

Dave doesn't really need the original factory calibration and can use a .MT7 canned cal as his factory calibration if there is an issue with the ECM. Rare indeed.

Dave... I need those answers to assist you out of this. There is no need to purchase a new ECM or to replace it with a TMax and their AlphaN software but you will need the TTS USB cable kit.

 

[427dave]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

Dave

Hang on....

First, I'm sorry to hear your tuning dealer did not save your factory file. It is the first thing that pops up on the program when you flash the ECM for the first time.

Second, it is up to the tuning dealer to save all tuning files.

Third, there is no need to purchase another ECM. Harley is incorrect.

OK... so this is what you do but I have a few questions first.


Did the shop that installed your mods and the TTS dyno your ride or did they just flash a calibration from the TTS library? Did you pay them for a dyno tune?

The shop did NOT dyno tune the bike, they just installed one of two canned maps from the TTS library. I have been back to them and asked for the files and they said they did NOT save them and there should not be a problem. I do have a TTS USB cable. I stopped at a shop that can dyno tune a trike, two rear wheels. They said they can not use the TTS, or course, and I needed to reinstall the stock Harley tuning as their software can not over write the TTS. The reason I want to do this is my trike really backfires when shifting gears some of the time, sounds like a gun shot, and it pops alot when decelling and downshifting. I went back to the shop and they said that is NOT a problem. Basically they do not know what they are doing! I did talk to TTS about not having the stock tuning and they said that their instructions tell you to save it. They said there is no way to get it back. They said I should be able to save what is in there as the stock and then upload a map from their library and then I would have that on my laptop and be able to edit it and use the data monitor. It just ticks me off the shop I had do this did not know what they were doing and do NOT have any intention of helping me out of this mess they created. Guess I should have checked around first.

I have not tried hooking up and trying what TTS thinks might work. I just do NOT want to create bigger mess.:Shrug::Shrug:

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

The shop did NOT dyno tune the bike, they just installed one of two canned maps from the TTS library. I have been back to them and asked for the files and they said they did NOT save them and there should not be a problem. I do have a TTS cable. I stopped at a shop that can dyno tune a trike, two rear wheels. They said they can not use the TTS, or course, and I needed to reinstall the stock Harley tuning as their software can not over write the TTS. The reason I want to do this is my trike really backfires when shifting gears some of the time, sounds like a gun shot, and it pops alot when decelling and downshifting. I went back to the shop and they said that is NOT a problem. Basically they do not know what they are doing! I did talk to TTS about not having the stock tuning and they said that their instructions tell you to save it. They said there is no way to get it back. They said I should be able to save what is in there as the stock and then upload a map from their library and then I would have that on my laptop and be able to edit it and use the data monitor. It just ticks me off the shop I had do this did not know what they were doing and do NOT have any intention of helping me out of this mess they created. Guess I should have checked around first.

I have not tried hooking up and trying what TTS thinks might work. I just do NOT want to create bigger mess.:Shrug::Shrug:

OK... Great news...

First, try not to let this make you loose any sleep. No worries, OK.

Second, glad you have the TTS cables.

Next... there is no need to go back to that dyno especially since they said they couldn't read the TTS cal in the ECM. (cough... BS) They don't know how to use the TTS is what they are telling you and they are no better than your first shop, OK?

OOOOOKKKKK. Let's get to it.

More questions.

1. Give me all the details on your TG. Year and all motor/exhaust mods.
2. Do you have a laptop?
3. Do you have wireless internet?
4. Want to have some fun?

 

[427dave]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

OK... Great news...

First, try not to let this make you loose any sleep. No worries, OK.

Second, glad you have the TTS cables.

Next... there is no need to go back to that dyno especially since they said they couldn't read the TTS cal in the ECM. (cough... BS) They don't know how to use the TTS is what they are telling you and they are no better than your first shop, OK?

OOOOOKKKKK. Let's get to it.

More questions.

1. Give me all the details on your TG. Year and all motor/exhaust mods.
2. Do you have a laptop?
3. Do you have wireless internet?
4. Want to have some fun?

The shop with the dyno just said the "TTS writes deeper into the ECM and his software can NOT over write any TTS data." Don't know if this is BS or not....

Tri Glide is 2011, 103 ci, V&H Power Dual Headers, V&H slip on slash cut mufflers, Arlen Ness big sucker A/C, it is Blue/black :Joker3:

Yes I have a laptop and I have the TTS software loaded on it.

I have a wireless internet connection for the laptop and have gotten the latest TTS versions of their software.

I always like fun, :wave4: Today is wifes b-day so can not have fun today,

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Re: Tts mastertune sert qualifier

The shop with the dyno just said the "TTS writes deeper into the ECM and his software can NOT over write any TTS data." Don't know if this is BS or not....

Tri Glide is 2011, 103 ci, V&H Power Dual Headers, V&H slip on slash cut mufflers, Arlen Ness big sucker A/C, it is Blue/black :Joker3:

Yes I have a laptop and I have the TTS software loaded on it.

I have a wireless internet connection for the laptop and have gotten the latest TTS versions of their software.

I always like fun, :wave4: Today is wifes b-day so can not have fun today,

NO worries on today. Was my wifey's birthday Monday so get off this board and have a great time with the wife.

The TTS does in fact write deeper than the HD flashes. But it sounds like they only know a little bit here not the full story. The truth is Harley uses .MT7 files. TTS uses the .MT8 which reads and writes deeper into the ECM >>> BUT<<<... TTS also uses the .MT7 and .MT6 and .MT5 and so on. If your first shop flashed your ECM using the .MT8 canned calibration you can easily go back to the .MT7. This means there is no need for a new ECM or a factory flash... <<<---- Straight talk.

OK... Mods are standard mods. There should be no problem getting the decel out.

What I would like for you to do is go to TeamViewer - Free Remote Control, Remote Access & Online Meetings. Download the free software version of teamviewer and install it for "personal use" only. Install it, do not just run it. Why? I can use teamviewer to remote into your laptop when it is hooked to the trike. I can see the ECM and get the cal ID which will tell me a lot. I can then fix your decel issues or even upload a cal of mine for the TG and let you ride.

If you want to VTune using your laptop, which you should, then I can also teach you how. You ride, I work the computer from here and show you. Soon you can do this yourself (picture is worth 1000 words and all that).


I can do all this for the real cheap price of $1,000,000.00



Ohhhhhh... OK, I'll wave the fee... this time. :wave4:

 

[TheBobs]

Dave you are in good hands with Wizard. Rest assured that if you want learn how to do this eventually on your own, Wizard will get you there. I owe him a lot for the knowledge I have now. To me TTS is a blast!!

 

[msocko3]

Dave you are in good hands with Wizard. Rest assured that if you want learn how to do this eventually on your own, Wizard will get you there. I owe him a lot for the knowledge I have now. To me TTS is a blast!!

+1, Wiz will get him hooked up, he's a remote tuning Wizard. I agree the TTS is a blast, I've been trying to get time and tinker around a little with the tune on my Triglide. I also want to toy with the remote monitor I bought for doing V-tunes.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Mike... I did the adhoc network to my iPhone. It works great.... that is until some dork calls you and breaks the network.

I was out last Sunday afternoon and got no less than 5 calls. Had to stop each time, accept and flash. Had a really good one going for about 60 miles of mountain hwy. Lots of high kPa, low RPM areas filled then bam.... phone rings. You don't lose any data but just darn. You forget where you were.

 

[TheBobs]

I use an app on my iPhone called "Remote HD" and run it though an ADHOC network as well. But I don't know anybody, so no one calls

 

[427dave]

Well I got brave and hooked the laptop up to the TTS. I saved the existing program, which is not the Harley original. When I used the get ECM data it got the Vin and what must be the program map that was uploaded. DTQ00930. I went through the data in the MT8 files and sure enough there is a DTQ009-30-00 which says it is for a 103CI, A/C, and Race exhaust for 2010-2011. There is another program that appears to be the same except it says it is for a 2011, DTQ044-30-A0. I tried the Data Monitor and looks like I got to read u p on t hat a lot more as the data doesn't change. A little more playing around and I may just get ready for the Wizard, I basically do NOT understand the TTS program yet.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

The 044 cals are for the 11-12 bikes but the 009 cals will work on them too.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

I use an app on my iPhone called "Remote HD" and run it though an ADHOC network as well. But I don't know anybody, so no one calls

Snagged a 7" external monitor today, USB powered. It's already attached to a mirror stem.

Now they can call all they want!

 

[TheBobs]

Snagged a 7" external monitor today, USB powered. It's already attached to a mirror stem.

Now they can call all they want!

Wow, that's the best of both worlds; calls can't interrupt and it's easier to seeThumbUp

 

[427dave]

The 044 cals are for the 11-12 bikes but the 009 cals will work on them too.

Do you know the difference between the 044 and 009 calibrations? With my 2011 I wonder if I should change it to the 044 cal?

 

[msocko3]

Snagged a 7" external monitor today, USB powered. It's already attached to a mirror stem.

Now they can call all they want!

I truthfully think thats the only way to roll, the phone idea is neat but as you learned it can suck when you get phone calls. If all goes well I'll be able to get my trike off the lift this next weekend so I can play with TTS a tad bit. I'm looking to dig into the EGR a tad and see what I can do with it.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Do you know the difference between the 044 and 009 calibrations? With my 2011 I wonder if I should change it to the 044 cal?

About the only difference I see is the 044 calibration uses spark at idle to help control idle speed, the 009 does not have these settings. It's located in the ECM Tuning Constants Tables.

Idle Spark Control Gain
Idle Spark Control Max

 

[TheBobs]

I truthfully think thats the only way to roll, the phone idea is neat but as you learned it can suck when you get phone calls. If all goes well I'll be able to get my trike off the lift this next weekend so I can play with TTS a tad bit. I'm looking to dig into the EGR a tad and see what I can do with it.

I hear ya. My emphasis will be on the timing in and around the mid-load 2500-3000 rpm areas of the tables. So far the challenge is in the rear cylinder, but I'm close. Then I want to do like you and dabble in the EGR tables. I have to think my compensator will appreciate a smoother low load area. Good luck M3.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

I truthfully think thats the only way to roll, the phone idea is neat but as you learned it can suck when you get phone calls. If all goes well I'll be able to get my trike off the lift this next weekend so I can play with TTS a tad bit. I'm looking to dig into the EGR a tad and see what I can do with it.

My 7" monitor is on the way but I'm messing around with the EGR tables now... just doing low kPa, low and mid range RPM runs before I have to aerate the yard. With them adjusted I can be in 6th gear @ 1500 RPM's and still pull a hill without lugging or slapping the primary chain and the compensator spring. I also can feel more SOP (seat of the pants) TQ with less throttle.

When I do want more throttle all I feel is yee hawww. No lag, no waiting in the cash register line so to speak.... I'm gone :wave4:

 

[msocko3]

My 7" monitor is on the way but I'm messing around with the EGR tables now... just doing low kPa, low and mid range RPM runs before I have to aerate the yard. With them adjusted I can be in 6th gear @ 1500 RPM's and still pull a hill without lugging or slapping the primary chain and the compensator spring. I also can feel more SOP (seat of the pants) TQ with less throttle.

When I do want more throttle all I feel is yee hawww. No lag, no waiting in the cash register line so to speak.... I'm gone :wave4:

The ground moles around my place aerate the yard pretty good for me. Sounds like your making some nice improvemnets in the tune.

 

[427dave]

I just downloaded a different map from the TTS library, DTQ044-30. I will see what that will do for awhile. Wizard I may have to take you up on your offer yet, but that sounds like a lot of work for you. I talked to a guy here that had Doc's Performance tune his TTS. Doc uses the VTune as he does NOT have a trike dyno. I may give Doc's a try on this. The DTQ044 does sound more responsive than the old DTQ009 map. The guy here said MSOCKO3 told him about Doc's on this forum. Thanks for all the info, at least that got me brave enough to give it a try.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Doc can't tune a trike. He also uses VTune on his dyno.

It's best to simply grab your TTS and a laptop and make your VTune runs yourself. It's not a lot of work unless you work with the EGR tables while setting VE tables.

 

[msocko3]

I just downloaded a different map from the TTS library, DTQ044-30. I will see what that will do for awhile. Wizard I may have to take you up on your offer yet, but that sounds like a lot of work for you. I talked to a guy here that had Doc's Performance tune his TTS. Doc uses the VTune as he does NOT have a trike dyno. I may give Doc's a try on this. The DTQ044 does sound more responsive than the old DTQ009 map. The guy here said MSOCKO3 told him about Doc's on this forum. Thanks for all the info, at least that got me brave enough to give it a try.

Yes I did steer a gentelman to Doc for a Trike tune, he came away a happy customer. He will tune it using V-Tune because he doesn't have a Trike Dyno. Thers is a member over on HDForum who attended one of Doc's tuning classes on how to V-Tune, he took his Triglide and they tuned while at class.

 

[bobs67ss]

It's best to simply grab your TTS and a laptop and make your VTune runs yourself. It's not a lot of work unless you work with the EGR tables while setting VE tables.[/QUOTE]

I did v-tunes and bike runs great but I now get some decel pop at low rpm and sometimes when shifting,,,,,,is this too lean or in the egr tables

thanks Bob

 

[Mr.Wizard]

It's best to simply grab your TTS and a laptop and make your VTune runs yourself. It's not a lot of work unless you work with the EGR tables while setting VE tables.

I did v-tunes and bike runs great but I now get some decel pop at low rpm and sometimes when shifting,,,,,,is this too lean or in the egr tables

thanks Bob

Start a free box.net account and upload your calibration file. Post the direct link here. I'll take a look.

 

[JohnC]

I'd be interested in hearing what you find Mr. Wizard. I vtuned my own bike as well. My trike runs great though I also have some occasional popping during spirited gear-shfting above 3,000 RPM.

Here are my VE graphs from my latest do vtune results:

I did my tuning back in early March when ambient temps were in the low 60s. I didn't get any popping until recently now that ambient temps have been in the upper 80s / low 90s. Not sure if that would have any effect or not. If you could provide some advice Mr. Wizard, I'd sincerely appreciate it.