Rear tire coming apart mounted in front. (Read 1st post)

[skuuter]

10,000 miles on my Pilot Activ mounted straight up......just barely startin' to cup a little......no real appreciable Tread wear. Cupping is very minimal right now, and I ride almost constantly in twisties....ThumbUp

 

[skuuter]

I think my constant twisties ridin' has a lot to do with the minor cupping...ThumbUp

 

[kj5ix]

There was a link to an article posted here by Avon Tyres that instructed folks to use reverse rotation. Because of the splice coming apart. That's pretty compelling. But the question is, does everyone manufacturer their tires the same way Avon does?

I would almost bet large sums on it,,,,,,,, There is only one way to make a belted tire, and that is to have the belts over lap at a seam. A straight cut butt seam wouldn't last to the end of the block in most cases,,,:Shrug:

 

[Chumbly]

When I first bought my current bike (on two wheels) I experienced severe cupping at premature mileage. After I bought a second new tire for the front, ...I upped the tire pressure (above what was suggested in the bike's manual) and to a higher level that was suggested on a forum. The bike handled good in all the weather I rode in and I more than doubled the mileage. The concensus was that tire needed a higher air pressure to do what it was supposed to do, without wearing out prematurely. Don't know how Honda got it wrong in the manual, but....

 

[DanDolfn]

I understand the braking theory about reversing the direction, but when you do that, you also reverse the tread which moves water out from under the tire.

Doesn't that create handling problems in the rain?

 

[Big_Steve]

I understand the braking theory about reversing the direction, but when you do that, you also reverse the tread which moves water out from under the tire.

Doesn't that create handling problems in the rain?

Not for me, and haven't heard any complaints. Someone here was taught at a class that the "other" reason for reversing is what you just said. If a rear tire is in forward rotation, it pushes the water out and right under the rear tires, causing hydroplaning. Reverse it, and the water comes straight back. Of course the question is why doesn't the front tire hydroplane then? I don't know. I have driven mine in the rain that way, and have had no hydroplaning front or rear. Perhaps (?) because the front tire is rounded?

 

[meredog]

i am riding my second trike--i had these tires put on both of them (backwords)and have rode probably around 25000 miles between the two of them and besides handling as good or better than the original Dunlops the mileage difference in them is unbeleivabe-----5000 miles on the dunlops !

 

[Gold Rush]

There was a link to an article posted here by Avon Tyres that instructed folks to use reverse rotation. Because of the splice coming apart. That's pretty compelling. But the question is, does everyone manufacturer their tires the same way Avon does?

Can't speak for all manufactures but I also bet they are all doing it the same.... Here's what Michelin sent a member of another board.....

September 08, 2010

Mr. Lebaux,

Per our phone conversation regarding the Michelin Pilot Activ, this tire can be used on the front of the trike mounted to run in reverse.

Many consumers use a rear tire and turn it around (tire is mounted opposite to the directional arrows on the sidewall of the tire) to be used on the front.

The rear tread pattern is designed for acceleration while that front tire tread pattern is designed for breaking and stopping. So the tread pattern must be reversed to change it from acceleration to breaking and stopping.


The rear tire is used in these applications because it provides longer wear.

Thanks for choosing Michelin. We appreciate Your business.


Sincerely,
Dale
Michelin North America
Consumer Care Department
Certified Michelin Product Expert


The vocal majority on this board seems to favor the MPA but other boards lean toward the Bridgestone BT45. I'm betting both are such huge improvements over any stock front tire that you'd be happy.

The key here is longer life and better stability. The name on the sidewall is secondary..

 

[FLTR2008TRIKE]

Im using a Dunlop MU85 rear on my trike with no issues to date.

 

[Shimpy]

I understand the braking theory about reversing the direction, but when you do that, you also reverse the tread which moves water out from under the tire.

Doesn't that create handling problems in the rain?

That's exactly my question. I have a respect for hydroplaning since totaling a Toyota Tundra pickup due to that. I also question since a rear tire is designed for acceleration, isn't it capable of braking? After all, rear tires also brake. I'm getting ready for a front tire replacement on my trike and am trying to make a choice. I've gotten 28,000 on front tires when my Goldwing was 2 wheels using Metzler. During the past several years I've seen several Metzlers lose chunks of rubber and won't use them again.

 

[don graham]

I had a Bridgestone Batleax 45 put on the front of my trike. I only have about 3K on it. I don't ride in the rain a lot, here in Az, but when I have there has never been a problem. The shop that put it on said it should be reversed and they do it all the time, so that's the way I went.

 

[leo3wheel]

That's exactly my question. I have a respect for hydroplaning since totaling a Toyota Tundra pickup due to that. I also question since a rear tire is designed for acceleration, isn't it capable of braking? After all, rear tires also brake. I'm getting ready for a front tire replacement on my trike and am trying to make a choice. I've gotten 28,000 on front tires when my Goldwing was 2 wheels using Metzler. During the past several years I've seen several Metzlers lose chunks of rubber and won't use them again.

The primary function of the rear tire is acceleration and the front tire braking. The rear tire has a limited braking function. If you look at a bike with directional tires, the treads run in opposite directions. Reversing a rear tire mounted on the front just puts the treads in the correct direction, plus lessens the stress on the tire's overlapping belts while braking. Attaching pictures of directional Avon Venom rear tire I just had mounted in reverse direction on our trike.

 

[leo3wheel]

Like the direction markings on this tire...........

 

[John Luciano]

Keep us posted on how it preformed...:wave4::wave4::

 

[leo3wheel]

Will do.... It will get a workout next month when we go to Key West... The nice weather we have been having is making me itchy to go.

 

[adaptolife]

Why would you use a rear tire in front? I cannot come up with a reason to do that on my ride.

 

[Nana]

Why would you use a rear tire in front? I cannot come up with a reason to do that on my ride.

Your bike still leans, so you wouldn't want to use a rear tire in front as you need the shape and structure of the usual front bike tire. With a traditional trike and the fact that it corners more like a car wheel does, the rear tire (same size as the usual front one) works very well and gives extra rubber on the ground for a much longer life. Those who have moved to that option swear by the handling and longevity.

 

[adaptolife]

I would love to see the math that shows that a front tire on trike with a rake kit is the same as my Tacoma's front tires! Two things make tires come apart; a defect in the tire, or using a tire contrary to its design.

 

[skuuter]

I would love to see the math that shows that a front tire on trike with a rake kit is the same as my Tacoma's front tires! Two things make tires come apart; a defect in the tire, or using a tire contrary to its design.

Immediately upon Triking a 2-Wheel Motorcycle, You are forcing the 2-Wheel Motorcycle Tire to perform tasks it wasn't "exactly" designed to do. The Tire now has to perform the task of "Totally Steering" the Trike. "Lean" will no longer be used as the main and helping factor. Front Motorcycle Tires tend to have smaller radiused treads, and more flexible sidewalls than their Rear counterparts. Triking a 2-Wheel Motorcycle also puts more load carrying responsibility on the Front Tire (I've checked this using Race Car Wheel Scales using my Trike and a stock 2-Wheel Gold Wing). A stock front tire is up to the task, as far as safety, but a Rear Motorcycle tire with it's extra Tread Rubber, Stiffer Carcass, and Wider Tread Radius will give You More Mileage, Quicker Corner Turn-in, and a Slightly Wider Contact Patch.....ThumbUp

 

[Tip Schwartzbeck]

Skuuter,
Very nice answer.Be interesting to know the numbers and also the difference between a trike that is raked vs,
. a non raked model.
Thanks for the info,
Tip

 

[skuuter]

Skuuter,
Very nice answer.Be interesting to know the numbers and also the difference between a trike that is raked vs,
. a non raked model.
Thanks for the info,
Tip

Thanks...ThumbUp....I'm at work and don't have the exact "total" weight numbers with me, but I do carry the difference around in my brain of raked and non-raked.......My Trike: 2010 Gold Wing 1800 with a Motor Trike IRS Kit on it with a 4.5 Degree Rake Kit. It had stock rake and trees on it when I first purchased it. Later I added the Raked Trees after riding 3 different ones belonging to Friends that had Raked Trees on em'...Raked Trees on a Trike, in my opinion: MANDATORY...!!! The Trike, full of fuel weighs 1,264 lbs. I scaled it on the Race Car Scales while stock, then later, raked. The Frontend scaled 173 lbs lighter on the frontwheel with the Raked Trees....pretty substantial percentage.

Now, for the "odd" thing I inherited after raking...before, there was only about 6 lbs difference between the Rear Wheels (right side heavy) now the left rear shows 21 lbs heavier than the right. This has absolutely no effect on anything, but it's there....and no, nothing is out of plumb, etc. From Racing Cars for years, this is not an uncommon occurance on the scales though.....ThumbUp :Trike1:

 

[leo3wheel]

New rear tire up front at 40 psi is super...... Front end is responsive, high speed cornering is no issue, and no longer shift body weight in fear of high speed flips. ThumbUp

 

[skuuter]

New rear tire up front at 40 psi is super...... Front end is responsive, high speed cornering is no issue, and no longer shift body weight in fear of high speed flips. ThumbUp

Ah, Another has joined the Ranks.....ThumbUp

 

[1800 06 Champion Trike]

I have the MPA rear tire mounted reversed.
The first one I had 28,000 miles on it and I now have my second one on with only 3,000 miles on it.
Never heard of MPA's coming apart.

 

[tommy loso]

I'm on number 4--averaging around 25,000 miles...MPA's in rev.love it

 

[Stephen]

I'm thinking the run em in reverse info is seriously flawed info. Sure you can do it but the info I've read about it sounds screwy at best. I'm running my BT45 as any normal tire would be and don't expect to have any problems.

 

[Pegasus1300]

Some run them in reverse some run them normal,so far from what I have seen it doen't seem to matter.I have run them both ways with no dicernal difference.I am running an MPA now on a 1500 GL and it is really nice.Have about 3000 miles on it so far.

 

[don graham]

Got about 8K on my BT45. No wear at all so far.

I do have a friend with a 2 wheel Gold Wing. Talked to him today. He now has 36K on his BT45. I guess that might be one reason to use a rear tire on the front by itself.

 

[heliv8r]

I talked to my machanic and he told me he had called Mitchelin in Greeneville S.C. and the tech. told him that the MAP should be reversed when put on the front because of the tread pattern.If put on forward the treads would be backward and not shed water properly. The front tire does not pull like the back wheel does so the tread design is important I am on my second MAP after getting 15,000 on my first one, have 13,000 on this one and it looks as if it could go another 3,000. I am not the authority on this, just repeating what I was told and my experiance.

 

[arnie]

My original frt tire is in need of replacing.I was wanting to put the rear size dunlop e-3 on it.I called dunlop & they advised me against it,so i'm going with frt.e-3 instead.I talked to a gentleman named Rob,his phone# is 800-845-8378,This conversation took place on7-16-12