NEW Pirelli tire for Trike front end - REVIEW

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Feb 13, 2008
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I just installed a new front tire It was reccomended by a Michelin rep, because the PA was unavailable.
Pirelli Sport Demon
130/70-18 mc 63H
Put it to the test today, feels real good. about the same as a PA but just a tad softer ride.

Well it’s been a week, and here is the FULL review of this tire.
I had the dealer remove it and put a MPA BACK on....
This was bad.... REALLY bad....
I must admit that I was totally wrong about this tire.

First off my impressions, then my reasoning behind them

1) Tire Thickness
When my dealer was installing the tire I remarked to him then the Pirelli was wider, and thicker (tread depth) than the MPA. I had assumed that this would equate to a smoother ride.
Well it did however, however the increased width, had a big side effect, an increased contact patch, and with that SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED STEERING EFFORT. This was really noticeable when just trying to move the handlebars in a parked or low speed turning situation.
(I will note that my ride DOES NOT have a rake, therefore there is more direct downward pressure on the contact patch, when compared to a raked bike. For example, try pressing straight down on the palm of your hand (at 90 degrees), and trying to rotate your palm, not too easy, now while keeping you palm on the table angle your arm to say 45 degrees. Now try to rotate your palm while applying pressure. A lot easier at a “raked” angle isn’t it??? This would explain my easier use when I tested the tire on my friends’ bike.

2) Rolling resistance and gas mileage:
Because of the increased contact patch there is now an increased rolling resistance. Which equates to slower acceleration (poor performance), and DECREASING gas mileage.
Acceleration:
I had first noticed that there was a loss of power about 60 seconds out of the dealers’ driveway. It seemed that I had to REALLY gun the engine to get up to speed on the busy route in front of the shop.
I attributed this (incorrectly) to the brakes rubbing as I had also installed new front brakes with the tire)
“The brakes will slowly retract” (I thought). As I later realized this was not the problem.
It is a common ratio of tire design… the wider the tire the higher the rolling resistance, the lower the acceleration, the lower the gas mileage (the tradeoff is straight line traction, which improves). I was feeling the effects of this compromise.
That loss of gas mileage was confirmed on my travel BACK to the dealer to remove the tire. The route I took (which I have taken before) usually took about 1 white mark on the gas gauge, NOW (with this tire) took about 2.5 marks (about 20%). Yes it was THAT drastic a change/loss in gas mileage, and the high speed turns, and acceleration was gain poor.

3) Hard Compound
When I first tried the tire it was on a country road with a few medium-speed twists (S curves). There were sweepers but at about 35 to 40 mph.
Executing these turns was “ok” except for the increased effort.
But then taking the same type sweeper turn at Highway speeds..... And the result was SKIPPING JUMPING and sideways sliding. Yes I said sliding. The front wheel would actually try and refuse to make a high speed turn. It wanted to track straight, skidding on DRY asphalt into the turn. I believe as a result of the REALLY hard compound of the tire. There was absolutely NOT road adhesion. This was not on some wet oil slick road; this was at high Noon (well about 1:30pm) at a temperature of about 64 degrees F. I did not experience this loss of traction. It is unknown if this loss of traction was due to the lack of rake, as I did not seem to have this problem with the raked trike of my friend.

After the replacement:
After the dealer changed the tire over to the MPA, the change of characteristics (read improvement) was IMMEDIATE. When I say immediate, I mean this. The bike was easier to roll off of the rack, and the simple act of backing up, and turning it by hand was 100% easier. Upon riding just in the parking lot, I found the ride was softer. The roll rate was notaiceably improved. I purposely rode the same rout I did when I came to the dealer, and did not put any gas in the tank. If the mileage had not increased then I most assuredly would have ran out of gas. I got all the way home on one marks worth of gas. The acceleration was back to its pre-Pirelli self.

Conclusions:
If you plan on buying this tire it is imperative that you a have a rake. However I’m really not sure if that will improve its characteristics. The ride once at high speed provided unacceptable handling, for the price of the tire.
The loss of performance, and apparent gas mileage was appalling and because of that also I cannot justify the purchase of the tire. Perhaps this was due to the fact that while acceptable, that this IS a rear tire.
The bottom line…
For my purposes… I’ll stick with the Michelin PA
 
Thank you for the comprehensive report. Were the 2 tires the same size? I did not see in your report the size of the Michelin PA.
 
Well it’s been a week, and here is the FULL review of this tire.
I had the dealer remove it and put a MPA BACK on....
This was bad.... REALLY bad....
I must admit that I was totally wrong about this tire.

First off my impressions, then my reasoning behind them

1) Tire Thickness <big big HUGE snip>
For my purposes… I’ll stick with the Michelin PA

Phew, I'll bet your fingers are sore after that comprehensive review... very interesting read, and very interesting observations. The Valk normally has a big tire up front, and after reading your post, I'm a little tempted to go for a narrow tire next time around.

After doing a pretty 'hot' ride through the Alpine Pass (Victoria Australia) a few weeks back, the twisties were coming thick and hard with numerous corners that "just kept on going" if you get my drift. And even though my trike is raked, after about 1 hour of these seemingly endless switch-backs, my arms were near dropping off. The fact my lady was on back and both trunks fully loaded wouldn't have helped the situation either...

But I couldn't help but notice how a friend on his Vmax trike seemed to do the run without a great deal of effort... He has a very narrow front tire! Another one of the riders on a FatBoy trike with NO rake, was absolutely exhausted at the rest-stop.

Thanx again for the review, it's sure given me a lot of food for thought. :yes:
 
When changing tire on my Tramp last year i experienced a lot of the same systems you spoke of ( I was using a Michelin).
I had read on a forum somewhere that it was beneficial to install the tire back-words , we switched the tire around and after mounting it back-words the problem's were gone.
 
Thank you for your assesment of that tire.

I have a MPA on my trike but I always think that I will change to a different tire because I always have thought that MPA are too noisy! This is my third MPA and they get good wear and are very safe but they seem noisy! I will stay with MPA until someone says that they have found a quieter tirer that rides better!
 
Have you tried the Avon Cobra? I have been using this and it seems to do the jobs on our wyndy roads and roundabouts. Prior to the Avon I was using a Metzler 880 which was also not too bad. I don't touch Dunlop or Bridgestone useless in the wet:no:
Happy riding whatever you have fixed to the tarmac;)
 
Thanks for the info Mitch. I have lots of miles left on my MPA but will be sure not to pick this Pirelli when the time for a new tire comes. I'll likely go with the BT-45.
 
Wolf -- with the Avon & Metzler did you run normal front tire, or a rear tire backwards? Since the Michlin PA is only available for the 09 & up HDs (17") I've been looking at both Avon & Metzler. I need something with more bite than the stock Rocklop.

Oh, uh -- Boscocorp -- the cure for noisy tires is LOUD pipes!! :yes:

NM
 
Thanks for posting that. It's good to know how much a different tire can change the handling.
I have the metzler on big red right now and hubby was going to try one on the his VTX/sidecar. They couldn't say whether it would be coming from germany or not. We had heard that some folks are noticing a quality difference between their 2 factories. So he went for the Avon. It goes on next week so hopefully that will work out as well. It would be nice if it lasted a bit too cause we seem to both eat through tires:(.
 
Nauga.. I ran the tyres the right way around as it is a problem with the trike insurance if you run the tyre the opposite way around. And the answer to your question was the tyres were normal bike front tyres...
 
I know this is my first post, but after reading this thread I was a bit interested.

I put the Pirelli on my trike back in January and have about 3000 miles on it. I have had the exact opposite experience than the OP.

I found the tire handles well, curves are no problem and have not felt or noticed any performance decrease. The fastest I have run with this tire is 92 mph (GPS) and noticed no issues at that speed. The bike rode straight and true.

I just rode the bike in the Texas Hill Country and earlier in the Big Bend area and never had a skipping issue. Fuel mileage is the same.

Now my trike is a CSC Gl1800 and is raked. I mounted the tire in reverse and run about 40 pounds of pressure.

I have been very happy with the tire so far, and the only thing that is unknown to me right now is what kind of mileage I am going to get out of it, and will it cup as it gets more miles on it.

Just my take on the tire.
 
welcome aboard Fred-Houston. Thanks for the update and keep us posted on the mileage on the tire.
 
I know this is my first post, but after reading this thread I was a bit interested.

I put the Pirelli on my trike back in January and have about 3000 miles on it. I have had the exact opposite experience than the OP.

I found the tire handles well, curves are no problem and have not felt or noticed any performance decrease. The fastest I have run with this tire is 92 mph (GPS) and noticed no issues at that speed. The bike rode straight and true.

I just rode the bike in the Texas Hill Country and earlier in the Big Bend area and never had a skipping issue. Fuel mileage is the same.

Now my trike is a CSC Gl1800 and is raked. I mounted the tire in reverse and run about 40 pounds of pressure.

I have been very happy with the tire so far, and the only thing that is unknown to me right now is what kind of mileage I am going to get out of it, and will it cup as it gets more miles on it.

Just my take on the tire.

Thats about what I said...
(I will note that my ride DOES NOT have a rake, therefore there is more direct downward pressure on the contact patch, when compared to a raked bike. For example, try pressing straight down on the palm of your hand (at 90 degrees), and trying to rotate your palm, not too easy, now while keeping your palm on the table angle your arm to say 45 degrees. Now try to rotate your palm while applying pressure. A lot easier at a “raked” angle isn’t it??? This would explain my easier use when I tested the tire on my friends’ bike.

Just as I thought...
My friend has a rake, and he likes it...
So I gues the lesson here is DON'T ues this tire unless you have a rake.
Keep us posted.
 
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