Sad day in the sports world. The champ has passed away last night.
Muhammad Ali
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My Mom always said to me; Never speak ill of the dead.....
So i'm keeping my mouth shut....!
So i'm keeping my mouth shut....!
I'll go along with that, but it's hard.
Very hard!
Lot of folk forget he was known as Cassius Clay.
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There were definite issues there but it still sad...
At least he didn't run off and hide in Canada or other countries, like thousands of others did. He stayed and fought for what he believed in, and eventually won.
(wow! I can't believe I just defended a Muslim, someone, shoot me!)
Sorry, no matter how you look at it, a draft dodger is a draft dodger!
AMEN!!
At least he didn't run off and hide in Canada or other countries, like thousands of others did. He stayed and fought for what he believed in, and eventually won.
(wow! I can't believe I just defended a Muslim, someone, shoot me!)
And all those cowards were forgiven - a slap in the face to all those who served honorably.
Definition of Dodger..
dodg·er
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noun
- 1.
a person who engages in cunning tricks or dishonest practices to avoid something unpleasant.
- 2.
- NAUTICAL
a canvas screen on a ship giving protection from spray.
What was dishonest, what was a trick...
He stood up, stated his reasons, and most importantly, faced and accepted the consequences....
He did not run to Canada, he did not go what we would today call "off the grid" and hide.
He didn't "DODGE" anything.
Are the Amish draft dodgers??
Are the Mennonite draft dodgers??
BBa
I don't have a problem with anybody avoiding the draft' Back then yes! Now no! .... A lot of people did, Hell even John Wayne did during WW2... I just don't idolize Sports/ Music/ Movie figures ....Like some people seem to do.. Especially sports figures who's opponents take a dive...
Nam 66/67......
6-2 Charlie OUT.......
If Trump brings the draft back, Canada will be over populated
Yeah, the Amish and Mennonites were the same religion from birth. Ali found his religion when he was called to be drafted, then used that religion to keep from serving. That has 'dodge' written all over it to me. He didn't run to another country to dodge, just to another religion.
Sorry, but none of what you are saying is changing my opinion. He was a great boxer. That is also my opinion. Some people might not agree with that. He is not a hero in my book because he was a great boxer, or that he was fun to watch with his pre-fight antics. Or that he used a religion to keep from serving his country.
So, I suppose you and I can just agree to disagree.
Honestly, his funeral was a political spectacle of brainwashing. I watched and shook my head uncontrollably as a palsy victim would and on the verge of vomiting. The dead Ali funeral was abused and used to forward a political agenda. I find it difficult to believe that no one observed the false theater.:Shrug:
Ali
Bet he has a lot of explaining to do before God!!!!
Bet he has a lot of explaining to do before God!!!!
I beg to differ....
I'm sorry but the FACTS on record do not support your assertion that he joined The Nation of Islam (NOI) to avoid the draft
You opinion is NOT based on facts at the time or now.
You assertion is incorrect
1964 - Converted to Islam (Some reports say he joined as early as 1962, but kept his membership under wraps to continue fighting)
Biography.com says - 1964
History.com - 1964
Wikepedia - 1964 (calculated)
http://www.biography.com/people/muha...5#olympic-gold
http://www.history.com/topics/black-...y/muhammad-ali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamm...eight_champion
1966 - Resisted the draft
In any case there is a 2 to 4 years difference in the time of conversion to called by the draft where he became a "dodger."..
The amount of time elapsed would indicate, HE did NOT join the NOI to avoid the draft. (which was not even on the Horizon yet)
This may or may not change your opinion of him, that is irrelevant,
It's ok not to like someone for whatever reason, but for whatever reason you must base your dislike on FACTS, not made up memes to suit your dislike.
We can agree to disagree, about your opinion, but there can be NO such agree to disagree when it comes to the FACTS of how something happened, or if your OPINION is based on real provable FACTS.
But by all means... don't let facts get in the way of opinion based judgement.
I'm sorry but the FACTS on record do not support your assertion that he joined The Nation of Islam (NOI) to avoid the draft
You opinion is NOT based on facts at the time or now.
You assertion is incorrect
1964 - Converted to Islam (Some reports say he joined as early as 1962, but kept his membership under wraps to continue fighting)
Biography.com says - 1964
History.com - 1964
Wikepedia - 1964 (calculated)
http://www.biography.com/people/muha...5#olympic-gold
http://www.history.com/topics/black-...y/muhammad-ali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamm...eight_champion
1966 - Resisted the draft
In any case there is a 2 to 4 years difference in the time of conversion to called by the draft where he became a "dodger."..
The amount of time elapsed would indicate, HE did NOT join the NOI to avoid the draft. (which was not even on the Horizon yet)
This may or may not change your opinion of him, that is irrelevant,
It's ok not to like someone for whatever reason, but for whatever reason you must base your dislike on FACTS, not made up memes to suit your dislike.
We can agree to disagree, about your opinion, but there can be NO such agree to disagree when it comes to the FACTS of how something happened, or if your OPINION is based on real provable FACTS.
But by all means... don't let facts get in the way of opinion based judgement.
No, he did not dodge the draft. He did not enlist .... but he did not dodge the draft either.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...a-draft-dodger
I never had strong feelings about Ali one way of the other, but I agree that in any discussion facts ARE important. I get emails all the time from friends who quote information that simply isn't factual. I write back and correct them and then they stop sending me the stuff, which is fine with me.....Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it helps if the facts are correct.
I don't care if he did dodge the draft or not... All i know is that i out lived him...
And to me thats all that counts....:Shrug:
And to me thats all that counts....:Shrug:
Looks like we all did that. That's a lot better than the alternative!
But no matter what the facts may be, I still don't think he's a hero.
Lee H. Mann
Gone But Not Forgotten
Too much for me
The entire world treated him like the muslim version of the pope !!
The entire world treated him like the muslim version of the pope !!
Cant argue with that..
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