Group Riding-Trike

[Pegasus1300]

So after reading these posts and opinions I thought I would do a little research on what "experts" consider safe trike riding in a group. this will take you to the AMA 17 tips for group riding
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Riding/Street/Resources/GroupRiding.aspx

here are #s 12 and 13
12. On the road, motorcyclists should have at least a 2-second cushion in front and behind them. If you want to keep the group tight, consider a staggered formation. Leave enough room per lane so each rider can maneuver side-to-side if need be. Avoid side-by-side formations as they shrink your space cushion.
13. Trikes and sidecars should stay in the center of the lane, and should be given the same amount of cushion as if they were a car.

MSF website http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/3w_tips.pdf


the section on group riding p46 says the following:


Group Riding & Passengers
As we said earlier, motorcycling is a sociable sport, so chances are very good you’ll soon be riding with friends
on their two and three wheel motorcycles, and have others who want to be passengers.
As with any sport, it’s nice if the participants all have a safety minded attitude and general idea of what to do.
RIDING IN A GROUP
It is useful if, before taking off on a group ride, you
get two or three hand signals organized among the
participants: “let’s stop; need gas; I’m hungry.”
A few rules for the group:
• Riding in a group of more than five motorcycles,
whether two or three wheel, can become
confusing both for the group and other traffic
around you. If there are too many people, break
it up into smaller groups.
• Don't ride in a staggered formation like two
wheel motorcycles use.
• Always keep at least a two-second following
distance from the motorcycle directly in front
of you.
• Pass other vehicles individually, when safe –
not in pairs or groups.
p46

The following is from a group riding site but I don't know its name

http://www.msgroup.org/groupridingguide.aspx

So there is a lot of information out there. Ride safe and be informed.

 

[tbear]

So your Trike riders are treated like bastard step children ?

To answer your remark, I am not treated any different than a two wheeler. You didn't read my answer too well. I have been riding with this Organized group of ex military buddies for many years. We ride with pride and great respect for one another. I am not bothered one bit if I am ASK to ride in a certain spot.

 

[tfdeputydawg]

"13. Trikes and sidecars should stay in the center of the lane"
What expert genius came up w/this
I don't want my front tire running in the center where all the trash and oil ends up:AGGHH:

 

[DTR 11TG]

... Every single new rider that tries the TG put's their feet down - EVERY ONE OF THEM. Even when I continuously tell them not to. They say OK OK and then put their feet down. Some don't even make it out of the parking lot. It's maddening.
...

Gary, I don't know if this will help with teaching adults(know it all), but when I was teaching my son & his friends how to ride 3 wheels & later 4 wheels and they kept putting feet down, I would have them stand up on the pegs or floor boards. It seemed to help more than telling them that they were going to break an ankle or leg if they put a foot down at the wrong time.

I just had an idea, for the adults, make a seat pad with nails sticking up so they can't sit down & put a foot down!!!:gah::clapping::AGGHH:

 

[rmrc51]

My current Wing/Roadsmith has the wingboards which prevents putting my feet to the pavement. But when I first got my Valkyrie MotorTrike, just out of habit, I'd put my feet down. That was cured very fast the first time those rear wheels caught my heel!!! :AGGHH:

 

[brianl]

I've probably ridden in 12 or more charity group rides this year. First year I've ever ridden in any. I've decided I'm going to ride in the back from now on. I'm always able to keep up with the group and ride staggered like they want me to but there occasionally are a few jerks who insist on riding up my tailpipe until they get a chance to pass. Maybe they don't like to ride behind trikes or just want to show me how macho they are. Whatever the reason, it pretty much spoils the ride for me. I find that the people towards the rear are usually less aggressive and make for a more enjoyable ride. The once or twice I've been asked to ride in the rear they've been very polite about it so it's not a problem.

 

[pcombe]

HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIGNS ON PICKUP WINDOWS THAT SAY " NO FEAR"?
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND ONE THAT SAYS "SCARED SHITLESS"!:gah:


I got way to many miles under my belt to prove anything by being in the front of a pack and most riders in a group will pass a trike just out of pure cussedness because they don't consider your trike a REAL motorcycle, nor you a REAL BIKER!

I prefer the back of a pack so the jerk doesn't kill me trying to get around me because of his "Oh yeahass, I bad, See how Bad I is? EGO"!

I've picked up what's left of them.:kpzxvq:

Here is the other consideration after many years riding with outlaw groups,
Unless a band has absolute rules about where each scooter rides there is always someone who thinks he has to be at the front of the pack and will perform great feats of acceleration because he has a really hot bike and wants everyone to know it. he usually starts at the back of the pack in order to get his jolly's
He is the reason I carry a full first aid kit with a $5.00 per band aid cost (just like the hospital?:laugh

No seriously, If something unexpected is going to happen on a ride it is usually going to happen at the front of a pack for one reason or another, If I am hanging back at the end of a pack with room to stop without emergency thrown into the equation or a really pissed of motorist trying to pass everyone at once I can look at the accident, shake my head and say isn't it a shame while dialing 911.

I have lost more than one friend and seen a few bike pile ups and it usually happens toward the middle or front of the pack.

THERE ARE OLD BIKERS AND THERE ARE BOLD BIKERS, BUT THERE ARE NO OLD,BOLD BIKERS!


PS. IF A GROUP LEADER REQUESTS MY TRIKE BE AT THE REAR OF THE PACK I WILL ASSUME HE IS AN EXPERIENCED ROAD CAPTAIN AND THANK HIM FOR GOOD PLANNING.


Doc: IN THE OUTLAW OUTFITS I RODE WITH A MAN WAS CHOSEN AS ROAD CAPITAIN BECAUSE HIS BROTHERS TRUSTED HIM TO KEEP THEM ALL ALIVE, AND WERE WILLING TO ACCEPT HIS JUDGMENT, NOT BECAUSE HE WON A POPULARULARITY CONTEST AND HIS RESPONSIBILITY WAS NO JOKE.

Festus: DOC YOU OLD SCUDDER!, I NEVER KNOWED YOU TO BE A OUTLAW AFFORE!

doc: THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THERE'S HELL OF A LOT YOU DON'T KNOW!


Wal I'll be durned ah jest larnt sumpin, just cause he a outlaw don't makes him stupid!

RIDE SAFE FOLKS AND DON'T ASSUME EVERYONE IS TRYING TO OPPRESS YOU,HE MAY BE TRYING TO SAVE SOME LIVES?

 

[tbear]

HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIGNS ON PICKUP WINDOWS THAT SAY " NO FEAR"?
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND ONE THAT SAYS "SCARED SHITLESS"!:gah:


I got way to many miles under my belt to prove anything by being in the front of a pack and most riders in a group will pass a trike just out of pure cussedness because they don't consider your trike a REAL motorcycle, nor you a REAL BIKER!

I prefer the back of a pack so the jerk doesn't kill me trying to get around me because of his "Oh yeahass, I bad, See how Bad I is? EGO"!View attachment 22381

I've picked up what's left of them.:kpzxvq:View attachment 22379

Here is the other consideration after many years riding with outlaw groups,
Unless a band has absolute rules about where each scooter rides there is always someone who thinks he has to be at the front of the pack and will perform great feats of acceleration because he has a really hot bike and wants everyone to know it. he usually starts at the back of the pack in order to get his jolly's
He is the reason I carry a full first aid kit with a $5.00 per band aid cost (just like the hospital?:laugh

No seriously, If something unexpected is going to happen on a ride it is usually going to happen at the front of a pack for one reason or another, If I am hanging back at the end of a pack with room to stop without emergency thrown into the equation or a really pissed of motorist trying to pass everyone at once I can look at the accident, shake my head and say isn't it a shame while dialing 911.

I have lost more than one friend and seen a few bike pile ups and it usually happens toward the middle or front of the pack.View attachment 22380

View attachment 22377 THERE ARE OLD BIKERS AND THERE ARE BOLD BIKERS, BUT THERE ARE NO OLD,BOLD BIKERS!View attachment 22378


PS. IF A GROUP LEADER REQUESTS MY TRIKE BE AT THE REAR OF THE PACK I WILL ASSUME HE IS AN EXPERIENCED ROAD CAPTAIN AND THANK HIM FOR GOOD PLANNING.

What you have said is what I was trying to say------thank you.:gah:

 

[coronetracer65]

To answer your remark, I am not treated any different than a two wheeler. You didn't read my answer too well. I have been riding with this Organized group of ex military buddies for many years. We ride with pride and great respect for one another. I am not bothered one bit if I am ASK to ride in a certain spot.

I read your answer very clearly and didn't mean to offend you or your group . But there is not mutual respect from your group if they take the attitude that you and your Trike are hazardous to them . I also don't mind being in the back , but it depends on who is ahead of me also. In a nut shell visibility and safety are not a concern because your on a Trike , in my opinion. I feel anyone who has issues with this needs to be focused on what is in front of them ! Ebert

 

[GARYD]

I ride my TG as I have ridden my 2 wheelers for the last 50 years - no more no less. I ride in the left track of the lane as if I'm still on 2 wheels. My trike is only 12" wider then an Ultra. I have never had anyone tell me I have to ride in the back. If someone did, I would never ride with that group again.
I know my abilities and if I didn't think I could handle the situation, I wouldn't be in that position. Thankfully my chapter has no problems riding with trikes in the mix.

The statement that a road captain is picked because of his safety record is pure bull$** . They are picked because of their popularity - has nothing to do with how safe they are.......at least in every election I've seen. I know a rider that is very safe - maybe too safe. He is never mentioned as a candidate for road captain because he's kind of a recluse and not popular.

Our chapter has monthly new rider rides and all questions and tips are given then, which is why we don't have problems riding in groups. We NEVER ride side by side. We always have road captains spread throughout the group in case we get stopped at traffic lights, that way they can take over the lead of the new segment so riders don't have to run the red light to keep up.

If someone has a problem riding with a trike, they should give up riding or at least wait until there is no traffic before getting out on the road.

 

[pcombe]

I ride my TG as I have ridden my 2 wheelers for the last 50 years - no more no less. I ride in the left track of the lane as if I'm still on 2 wheels. My trike is only 12" wider then an Ultra. I have never had anyone tell me I have to ride in the back. If someone did, I would never ride with that group again.
I know my abilities and if I didn't think I could handle the situation, I wouldn't be in that position. Thankfully my chapter has no problems riding with trikes in the mix.

The statement that a road captain is picked because of his safety record is pure bull$** . They are picked because of their popularity - has nothing to do with how safe they are.......at least in every election I've seen. I know a rider that is very safe - maybe too safe. He is never mentioned as a candidate for road captain because he's kind of a recluse and not popular.

Our chapter has monthly new rider rides and all questions and tips are given then, which is why we don't have problems riding in groups. We NEVER ride side by side. We always have road captains spread throughout the group in case we get stopped at traffic lights, that way they can take over the lead of the new segment so riders don't have to run the red light to keep up.

If someone has a problem riding with a trike, they should give up riding or at least wait until there is no traffic before getting out on the road.

"The statement that a road captain is picked because of his safety record is pure bull$** . They are picked because of their popularity - has nothing to do with how safe they are.......at least in every election I've seen. I know a rider that is very safe - maybe too safe. He is never mentioned as a candidate for road captain because he's kind of a recluse and not popular. "



Your story Gary, you can tell it ANYWAY you want to!

the 1% rs of old were not even close to your local hog chapter.
The road captain might very well have been heeled with a sawed off greener.

I have been away from that scene for many years, they may do things different today who knows?
Before you call something bullshit you should know of what you speak?


I'll get out of the cat box now, you can wallow in it if you wish? Enjoy!

 

[skuuter]

CIVIL Folks.......KEEP IT CIVIL.....orag:

 

[GoSlo]

Gary, I don't know if this will help with teaching adults(know it all), but when I was teaching my son & his friends how to ride 3 wheels & later 4 wheels and they kept putting feet down, I would have them stand up on the pegs or floor boards. It seemed to help more than telling them that they were going to break an ankle or leg if they put a foot down at the wrong time.

I just had an idea, for the adults, make a seat pad with nails sticking up so they can't sit down & put a foot down!!!:gah::clapping::AGGHH:

Great idea, but everyone seems to be forgetting the funny part of moving from two wheels to three. It's when they've stopped and their left leg starts pumping up and down trying to put the kickstand down. It's pretty funny to watch, but kind of embarrassing when caught doing it! Don't ask how I know this.

As for position in group riding, every group has their own rules and if I want to ride with them on that particular event, then I follow their request. Figure if I want to ride, it makes no difference where I'm at as long as I'm out on the road enjoying myself. That being said, I was "told" once that if I was going to lead a group that I should be careful not to slow down too much in the curves. Let's just say they never made that comment again after that ride.

Enjoy yourselves out there, have fun and be safe!!

 

[lboos]

I like the loner thing, I ride as fast as I want, or as slow as I want, I stop when I want, I pass when I want, if I have friends who want to go to a rally or meet some where, I'll meet them there at a designated time, I don't mind riding with one or two that I know well, but no way with a group of 10 or more as some here have said, in formation :AGGHH:.
I would rather enjoy the ride then worry about the ability of another rider I don't know that well.
I guess I'm just a simple guy :xzqxz:.

 

[rhino 2]

I don't/won't ride in groups for Two reasons...

1] I like to control my own density..
2] Nobody will ride with me...

 

[coronetracer65]

I ride my TG as I have ridden my 2 wheelers for the last 50 years - no more no less. I ride in the left track of the lane as if I'm still on 2 wheels. My trike is only 12" wider then an Ultra. I have never had anyone tell me I have to ride in the back. If someone did, I would never ride with that group again.
I know my abilities and if I didn't think I could handle the situation, I wouldn't be in that position. Thankfully my chapter has no problems riding with trikes in the mix.

The statement that a road captain is picked because of his safety record is pure bull$** . They are picked because of their popularity - has nothing to do with how safe they are.......at least in every election I've seen. I know a rider that is very safe - maybe too safe. He is never mentioned as a candidate for road captain because he's kind of a recluse and not popular.

Our chapter has monthly new rider rides and all questions and tips are given then, which is why we don't have problems riding in groups. We NEVER ride side by side. We always have road captains spread throughout the group in case we get stopped at traffic lights, that way they can take over the lead of the new segment so riders don't have to run the red light to keep up.

If someone has a problem riding with a trike, they should give up riding or at least wait until there is no traffic before getting out on the road.

Thank ya very much ! You would be excellent to ride with , imo ! Ebert

 

[GARYD]

"The statement that a road captain is picked because of his safety record is pure bull$** . They are picked because of their popularity - has nothing to do with how safe they are.......at least in every election I've seen. I know a rider that is very safe - maybe too safe. He is never mentioned as a candidate for road captain because he's kind of a recluse and not popular. "



View attachment 22407Your story Gary, you can tell it ANYWAY you want to!

the 1% rs of old were not even close to your local hog chapter.
The road captain might very well have been heeled with a sawed off greener.

I have been away from that scene for many years, they may do things different today who knows?
Before you call something bullshit you should know of what you speak?View attachment 22408


View attachment 22409I'll get out of the cat box now, you can wallow in it if you wish? Enjoy!

I have no idea what you just said.

1. I did tell it the way I want to
2. I do know "of what I speak" and I said so when I said "at least in every election I've seen".
3. What does "1%'s of old not even close to a local HOG chapter" mean???
4. "Heeled with a sawed off greener" - HUH! Maybe I'm too old or too young to even remotely know what that means.
5. Do what differently then they use to??? Choose a road captain - ride in a group - what?????????
6. Wallow in what? I just made a quick simple statement. I wouldn't call that wallowing.
Didn't you take your nap or are the meds wearing off? :AGGHH:

 

[skuuter]

Remember "CIVIL" Folks...might waana' get some "sentence interpretations" via PMs instead of Open Forum Guys..........

 

[pcombe]

I have no idea what you just said.



1. I did tell it the way I want to

2. I do know "of what I speak" and I said so when I said "at least in every election I've seen".

3. What does "1%'s of old not even close to a local HOG chapter" mean???

4. "Heeled with a sawed off greener" - HUH! Maybe I'm too old or too young to even remotely know what that means.

5. Do what differently then they use to??? Choose a road captain - ride in a group - what?????????

6. Wallow in what? I just made a quick simple statement. I wouldn't call that wallowing.

Didn't you take your nap or are the meds wearing off? :AGGHH:

3. What does "1%'s of old not even close to a local HOG chapter" mean???

4. "Heeled with a sawed off greener" - HUH! Maybe I'm too old or too young to even (remotely) know what that means.








Didn't you take your nap or are the meds wearing off? :AGGHH: so clever!





MY ORIGINAL POST WAS ABOUT AN ( OUTLAW 1% ) POINT OF VEIW.:OffTopic:
YOUR LOCAL HOG CHAPTER DOES NOT FIT THE CATAGORY OR IT WOULD NOT BE MOTOR COMPANY SPONSORED.

Therefore calling the point of view bullshit prior to investigation either means you don't understand that point of veiw or failed to comprehend the original post to begin with?

Let's call it quits before this goes any further.
I have been asking myself what it's going to cost me to be right and have determined the price to be too high, So YOU can be right ok?

It isn't going to make any damn difference tomorrow, next week, a month from now!

 

[John Luciano]

Trikes have a shorter stopping distance than a 2 wheeler. So they say, never saw it proved. Also I don't want some jerk slamming into the rear of my trike and ruining a $1,000 paint job, plus $ 1,000 in body work

 

[skuuter]

Let's call it quits ok?

My Thoughts also.....PMs only Guys from this point on, before Your "discussion" gets out of hand.....no more open forum discussion or I may have to send some PMs.....Thanks, skuuter.....ThumbUp

 

[pcombe]

My Thoughts also.....PMs only Guys from this point on, before Your "discussion" gets out of hand.....no more open forum discussion or I may have to send some PMs.....Thanks, skuuter.....ThumbUp

Done as far as I'm concerned, do what you must!

Thanks for your time Skuuter

 

[GARYD]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't fully read your post. I was assuming you were comparing all groups in general when choosing an RC. It pays to fully read something before commenting on a subject.
My meds wore off long ago.
Sorry again.

 

[skuuter]

GOOD STUFF Guys......THANKS, skuuter......ThumbUp

 

[pcombe]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't fully read your post. I was assuming you were comparing all groups in general when choosing an RC. It pays to fully read something before commenting on a subject.
My meds wore off long ago.
Sorry again.

It's all good lets call it a dead horse and not beat it anymore.:Meds:

The forum has a purpose and this probably wasn't it?

 

[skuuter]

.......ThumbUp...:10:

 

[grimm]

My club has an order, but it has nothing to do with whether you ride a trike or a bike. Full patches then prospects then hangarounds. Ride side by side and I trust any of my brothers to ride beside me whether it be across three states or through the concrete jungle. Then again, we ride together a lot.

 

[GARYD]

Side by side??? :AGGHH: :AGGHH:

 

[cavie]

Side by side??? :AGGHH: :AGGHH:

Not me. Somebody pulls up on me I'm backing backing off. He does it again I'm moving to the center of the lane.

 

[GARYD]

cavie, I know what you mean.
I don't have too many riders trying to ride next to me - after all the trike is pretty big and intimidates them. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: