Freewheeler Nightrider FL-Vied-10 Installed Today..

[Bill G]

I think the Freewheeler trike stock runs really well. With that said, I still feel the closed loop fuel ratio of 14.6 from the factory is to lean for an air cooled motor. (We spend the majority of our riding time in closed loop)

I installed the Nightrider FL-Vied-10 units and set them to control the closed loop fuel ratio at 14.2 or at the 50% set point. I also tried the 75% or 14.0 set point and it was a tad to rich feeling for my set up. (13.9 to 14.2 are good ratios for the closed loop operation depending on the bike and the upgrades) ThumbUp

My Freewheeler runs very nice at this set point 50% or 14.2 ( My set up= stock air box with K&N replacement air filter, stock ECM mapping, D&D 3 1/2" slip on mufflers with the 2" Vortex baffles) The idle and cruz is smoother. The throttle response is crisp and solid and the very small amount of decal popping I had every now and then is gone.

The FL-Vied-10 do exactly what they say and are a cost effective way to increase performance and cooling when a full blown tuner is not needed.

Ride Safe All,
Bill G

 

[stinger608]

Great information Bill!!! Sounds like it helped a ton on that 103ci engine. :clapping:

 

[Keystone]

What has it done MPG wise Bill?

 

[bib/bob]

glad you posted this bill, beings i took the fl-xied-10 off my ultra before trade in, and was wondering if i could use them on the F/W, being all that was done on the ultra was slipons big sucker air and i left the cat in. and all i plan to doing with the F/W right now is K/N filter and slipons, and i hate to see them just set here ya know, so what do you think ?

 

[0pini0nated]

Is a Nightrider FL-V iED-10 the same as a FL-X iED-10? There's one for sale on "For Sale & WTB" for a pittance

http://www.triketalk.com/forum/threads/27647-FL-XiED-10

Also, DK Custom Products has 'em on sale ~ be a great gift for Fathers Day

 

[bib/bob]

Is a Nightrider FL-V iED-10 the same as a FL-X iED-10? There's one for sale on "For Sale & WTB" for a pittance

http://www.triketalk.com/forum/threads/27647-FL-XiED-10

Also, DK Custom Products has 'em on sale ~ be a great gift for Fathers Day

the only diff i know is the vied you can adjust and the xied, like i have you can't, the xied takes it from a 14:6:1 stock and brings it up to a 14:0:1 adds a little

 

[Bill G]

glad you posted this bill, beings i took the fl-xied-10 off my ultra before trade in, and was wondering if i could use them on the F/W, being all that was done on the ultra was slipons big sucker air and i left the cat in. and all i plan to doing with the F/W right now is K/N filter and slipons, and i hate to see them just set here ya know, so what do you think ?

I think the FL-Xied-10 unit you mentioned is the non adjustable version and has a fixed variable for the fuel ratio of around 14.0. In most cases I think most bikes will run well at that ratio. My set up felt a tad rich at the 14.0 ratio but would have been ok, just felt better at the 14.2 ratio.

The FL-Vied-10 has the adjustable pot on it so the fuel ratio can fine tuned in the ranges of between 13.9 to 14.3 or 14.4 with the 2010 and later touring model Harley's with the 4 wire heated Delphi oxygen sensors.

There easy to install so I would say give the FL-Xied-10 a try and see how they work. If the fuel ratio is not right for you then the FL-Vied-10 adjustable units are only $119.00

let us know how it works out.

(Note.) On the Freewheeler there is a sweet little grounding block just inside the frame on the right side for the grounds. It's easy to get to you will see the negative from the battery and the rest of the Freewheelers ground wires going to it.

Ride Safe,
Bill G

 

[Bill G]

What has it done MPG wise Bill?

I need to get in some good rides and check the mileage out. I was getting between 35mpg & 39mpg before with my set up.

In theory I added 4% more fuel so I should get 4% less on my mileage averages. But we all know there are variables in play here when riding.

I am curious how my mileage averages will turn out and will post them after a few tanks of fuel.

Ride Safe,
Bill G

 

[Bill G]

Well we road 118.2 miles round trip today to Tehachapi for breakfast. The ride is all freeway riding at 70 mph to 75mph with about 30% to 35% of the ride going up a steep grade.

Last time I did this ride I got Right at 33.5 mpg with my Freewheeler (pretty good uphill, higher freeway speeds) and today we got 31.94mpg with the FL-Vied-10 installed and set at 50% and the Trike ran excellent.

I decided to set the FL-Vied-10 at 45% and did a quick test ride and the trike still seemed to run really well but a longer ride will confirm.

I will do the same ride again as mentioned and then do another milage check. I also will compare how the Freewheeler performs at the 45% set point compaired to the 50% set point on the FL-Vied-10 settings. If the Trike runs good and the milage increases a little at the 45% set point I will leave it there. If it does not perform as well I will set it back to the 50% setting and except the milage decrease because the Trike ran excellent and cooler.

This little test should give me enough information to make the best over all decision concerning the best set point for my set up. ( A little fine tuning to verify)

Ride Safe All,
Bill G

 

[Bill G]

Well we road 118.2 miles round trip today to Tehachapi for breakfast. The ride is all freeway riding at 70 mph to 75mph with about 30% to 35% of the ride going up a steep grade.

Last time I did this ride I got Right at 33.5 mpg with my Freewheeler (pretty good uphill, higher freeway speeds) and today we got 31.94mpg with the FL-Vied-10 installed and set at 50% and the Trike ran excellent.

I decided to set the FL-Vied-10 at 45% and did a quick test ride and the trike still seemed to run really well but a longer ride will confirm.

I will do the same ride again as mentioned and then do another milage check. I also will compare how the Freewheeler performs at the 45% set point compaired to the 50% set point on the FL-Vied-10 settings. If the Trike runs good and the milage increases a little at the 45% set point I will leave it there. If it does not perform as well I will set it back to the 50% setting and except the milage decrease because the Trike ran excellent and cooler.

This little test should give me enough information to make the best over all decision concerning the best set point for my set up. ( A little fine tuning to verify)

Ride Safe All,
Bill G

(Update)

I took another long ride today with side cover off the Trike so I could have access to the FL-Vied-10 setting adjusters. I also took a small jewelers screwdriver to make adjustments as needed.

I tried both the 45% and the 50% settings and the 75% setting again. Hands down the 50% setting worked best for my set up giving better throttle responce and no decel popping. The 45% setting had weaker throttle responce and some decel popping. The 75% setting was like I said before a tad rich for my set up and did not provide as crisp of throttle response, more sluggish feeling.

50% is where I will keep the FL-Vied-10 units on my Freewheeler Trike. ThumbUp

Ride Safe All,
Bill G

 

[0pini0nated]

Great thread, Bill G. Interesting information, answered all the questions, and a final conclusion, in the space of two days! epper:epper:epper:

 

[BlackWidow]

epper: Thanks for posting this information. I just received mine today from Nightrider and am about to install them. I got the FL Vied 10 and will be installing on a bone stock 2015 Freewheeler.
Wendy G

I think the FL-Xied-10 unit you mentioned is the non adjustable version and has a fixed variable for the fuel ratio of around 14.0. In most cases I think most bikes will run well at that ratio. My set up felt a tad rich at the 14.0 ratio but would have been ok, just felt better at the 14.2 ratio.

The FL-Vied-10 has the adjustable pot on it so the fuel ratio can fine tuned in the ranges of between 13.9 to 14.3 or 14.4 with the 2010 and later touring model Harley's with the 4 wire heated Delphi oxygen sensors.

There easy to install so I would say give the FL-Xied-10 a try and see how they work. If the fuel ratio is not right for you then the FL-Vied-10 adjustable units are only $119.00

let us know how it works out.

(Note.) On the Freewheeler there is a sweet little grounding block just inside the frame on the right side for the grounds. It's easy to get to you will see the negative from the battery and the rest of the Freewheelers ground wires going to it.

Ride Safe,
Bill G

 

[0pini0nated]

Thanks for posting this information. I just received mine today from Nightrider and am about to install them. I got the FL Vied 10 and will be installing on a bone stock 2015 Freewheeler.
Wendy G

I'm also interested in your results ~ let us know how it turns out :wave4:

(PS:It looks like we're neighbors! Welcome to TrikeTalk ThumbUp

 

[Keystone]

epper: Thanks for posting this information. I just received mine today from Nightrider and am about to install them. I got the FL Vied 10 and will be installing on a bone stock 2015 Freewheeler.
Wendy G

Let us know how that goes. I am leaning towards this also.
I see you are from Lansdale. Grew up in Warrington. Graduated from CB West in 1979 and left for the Army. Haven't lived in that area since. Miss the Philly area food though.

 

[Bill G]

epper: Thanks for posting this information. I just received mine today from Nightrider and am about to install them. I got the FL Vied 10 and will be installing on a bone stock 2015 Freewheeler.
Wendy G

Wendy G,

I bet you a Dollar to a Donut the 50% set point will work great for you. I have done a lot of research and it seems like the 50% set point seems to be the sweet spot for most Harley set ups from stock to slightly modified. ( My 2012 Fat Boy liked the 50% setting as well with the FL-Vied-10 units installed on it)

Don't forget there is a nice grounding block just inside the frame on the right side on the Freewheeler. With your seat off you will see it, the ground block has the battery ground and the rest of the bikes grounds going to it. (A perfect spot for your ground wires. These ground wires are critical for proper function of the FL-Vied-10 units).ThumbUp

Let us know how it turns out...epper:

Take Care & Ride Safe,
Bill G

 

[BlackWidow]

I actually got the FL AF XIED 10. My bad :xzqxz:.
It was very easy to install, and thanks for the tip on where to attach the ground wires. I did not make any adjustments yet as I did not get to take the bike out for any length of time and it rained all day today. Hope to get out tomorrow and will post my observations to all of you who asked my opinion.
Nice to see other trikers on here from the Philly suburbs!

Wendy G

 

[screwball]

OK Bill and Kevin

Bill, as another desert rat riding in the So. Cal. heat I let you convince me, Kevin, I just ordered the FL-Vied's for my Free. When it works as well as Bill says it will, I'll be ordering a set for wife's Tri. Both scoots did seem to loose a tad of bottom end with the 4" Megaphone Mufflers, and they aren't blackening up enough to make me comfortable.

When I got old I promised myself I'd leave my scoots stock. Oh Well, another promise from me to me broken. It's off to hell I go

 

[msocko3]

OK Bill and Kevin

Bill, as another desert rat riding in the So. Cal. heat I let you convince me, Kevin, I just ordered the FL-Vied's for my Free. When it works as well as Bill says it will, I'll be ordering a set for wife's Tri. Both scoots did seem to loose a tad of bottom end with the 4" Megaphone Mufflers, and they aren't blackening up enough to make me comfortable.

When I got old I promised myself I'd leave my scoots stock. Oh Well, another promise from me to me broken. It's off to hell I go

Oh no.... tell me its not so:laugh:.

 

[screwball]

Oh no.... tell me its not so:laugh:.

I'll just tell my friends that the FL-Vied's were added to make the trikes LOUDER, not run better .... most will buy that

 

[Papa Zook]

Oh no.... tell me its not so:laugh:.

Dang did the earth's polarity just swap ends and I missed it!?!? I've never witnessed such!

 

[Bill G]

OK Bill and Kevin

Bill, as another desert rat riding in the So. Cal. heat I let you convince me, Kevin, I just ordered the FL-Vied's for my Free. When it works as well as Bill says it will, I'll be ordering a set for wife's Tri. Both scoots did seem to loose a tad of bottom end with the 4" Megaphone Mufflers, and they aren't blackening up enough to make me comfortable.

When I got old I promised myself I'd leave my scoots stock. Oh Well, another promise from me to me broken. It's off to hell I go

screwball,

Just remember your only going to be able to richen the closed loop with these units and maybe some trace affects to the open loop according to Nightrider (the manufacture). With the later model 4 wire heated Delphi O2 sensors about 14.0 % or the 75% mark is about as rich as the Fl-Vied-10 units will get things, about 6% max more fuel. (With the older 2 wire Bosch O2 sensors you could get about 13.9% max).

The 50% mark is about 14.2 % and a lot of Harley's like this fuel ratio for the cruz range or up to about 35% to 40% throttle and down.

Your trike will run a little cooler and have better throttle responce. Try the 75% and the 50% ranges and fine tune if needed. Give the bike time to adapt, you will find the sweet spot for your set up. ( As mentioned before 50% seems to be the sweet spot for a lot of Harley's)

The Fl-Vied-10 will more than likely not fix all the losses caused by the large baffles in the CRF mufflers (don't expect miracles, large baffles inherently rob low mid and give better top end performance) The FL-Vied-10 units will for sure cool things down a little and should help with the throttle response (this is a good thing) Remember your only going to be richining things up 3% minimum up through the 4% to 6% range in the cruz range (up to 35% to 40% throttle range) and idle depending on the settings you settle on.

These small fuel ratio increases in closed loop really make a difference. It does not take much of a change to make a nice difference.

Ride Safe,
Bill G

 

[Gorilla]

I knew you were a normal HD guy Screwball

 

[msocko3]

I'll just tell my friends that the FL-Vied's were added to make the trikes LOUDER, not run better .... most will buy that

There you go, they'll buy that:laugh:.

 

[Bill G]

Don't all us Harley riders at one time or another say (see pic)......Then we fail miserably epper:

Ride Safe All,
Bill G

 

[screwball]

You do realize Bill, if these 'Vides' don't make my 'Free' bigger, better, faster, louder, and be able to beat my neighbor's Vette in a drag race while rattling all the windows in a 6 block radius I'll be on the board fat mouthing you for months..... YEARS. IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT!! : laugh:

 

[Bill G]

You do realize Bill, if these 'Vides' don't make my 'Free' bigger, better, faster, louder, and be able to beat my neighbor's Vette in a drag race while rattling all the windows in a 6 block radius I'll be on the board fat mouthing you for months..... YEARS. IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT!! : laugh:

I love it Brother, I can take it..Lol I know it will beat the kid on the skateboard down the street, no promises after that

Bill G

 

[bib/bob]

I think the FL-Xied-10 unit you mentioned is the non adjustable version and has a fixed variable for the fuel ratio of around 14.0. In most cases I think most bikes will run well at that ratio. My set up felt a tad rich at the 14.0 ratio but would have been ok, just felt better at the 14.2 ratio.

The FL-Vied-10 has the adjustable pot on it so the fuel ratio can fine tuned in the ranges of between 13.9 to 14.3 or 14.4 with the 2010 and later touring model Harley's with the 4 wire heated Delphi oxygen sensors.

There easy to install so I would say give the FL-Xied-10 a try and see how they work. If the fuel ratio is not right for you then the FL-Vied-10 adjustable units are only $119.00

let us know how it works out.

(Note.) On the Freewheeler there is a sweet little grounding block just inside the frame on the right side for the grounds. It's easy to get to you will see the negative from the battery and the rest of the Freewheelers ground wires going to it.

Ride Safe,
Bill G

i put the xied's on the F/W this am, and did a short run, no real seat of the pants diff, as far as the heat, well nothing there really but it was a short run I'll know more on a longer run. now the one thing that was a plus!!! was the throttle in first gear take off. no more bucking and pinging and a real smooth take off at a lot lower RPM. i guess the xtra fuel is a good thing and that made me happy, i was having problems when taking off before and had to make a turn at a high RPM, was kind of spooky but now it works a whole lot better. epper: BTW my bike is still all stock.

 

[screwball]

Hey Gang, it is kudos time

Kevin, thank you and your operation for the prompt service, I received my care package this morning.

Bill, Thank you for your recommendations and explanations

Installation took 34 minutes, this includes opening the package and reading the instructions. Also includes the additional 10 minutes it takes me to go from standing to sitting on the garage floor, and getting back up again unassisted.

In honor of me actually springing for a 'performance' product our gang did a 100 mile dinner run.

First off, the 'too lean' hesitation at start off was gone. Also gone was the decal popping. Using my highly calibrated dyno-ass I could feel a tad more pull at low end. I'll NEVER spend a couple of hundred to have my trike dynode it doesn't make any difference how much HP my Harley is producing, or if I could squeeze out another HP or 2.

Never had a heat problem, so I can't tell if it is any cooler or not. It was 105* when we left, I was wearing shorts and didn't get burned, toasted, or overheated. BUT I usually don't anyway. I did sunburn the tops of my legs.... could that be from the Cat???

Overall I'm happy. So happy that I'll be ordering another set for wife's '14 Tri-Glide

Thanks Everyone














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