Better Performance?

[trikeman]

:clapping::wave4:

 

[1 triker]

I talked to a major tuning shop and was told they could not tune my Stallion due to the Roush tune installed. In other words they can't remove it. The shop that did your tune must be really good. Maybe you can let him know there are others who want his tuning. Is it possible you can check with him to see if mail tuning possible?

 

[tomg]

I could be wrong here but, I don't believe that "ALL" Stallions had the Roush ecm upgrade. I don't think the early ones and maybe the last ones were upgraded. Probably the only one to tell us would be TMS listing the serial numbers with the Roush tune. Tomg

 

[1 triker]

I was thinking the same thing, in fact, I'm wondering why did they find it necessary to have a Roush tune . And also, does that mean some Stallions have more hp than others? This Roush tune thing is not making very much sense. There should be a VIN# on the engine block, I'm going to look for it eventho it may be almost impossible to see it.

 

[tomg]

I was thinking the same thing, in fact, I'm wondering why did they find it necessary to have a Roush tune . And also, does that mean some Stallions have more hp than others? This Roush tune thing is not making very much sense. There should be a VIN# on the engine block, I'm going to look for it eventho it may be almost impossible to see it.

Yes they had about 5 more hp and probably wasn't worth the price for the small increase, in my opinion. I thought the original was 150 and Roush was 155, probably wrong but those numbers seem to stick in my mind from somewhere. Tomg

 

[rhino 2]

I was thinking the same thing, in fact, I'm wondering why did they find it necessary to have a Roush tune . And also, does that mean some Stallions have more hp than others? This Roush tune thing is not making very much sense. There should be a VIN# on the engine block, I'm going to look for it eventho it may be almost impossible to see it.

There aren't any VIN numbers on engines...There are serial numbers...The Vehicle Identification Number is on the body/frame of the Vehicle to tell you the date of production the color of the body type of transmission and engine size [One of the # in the vin will tell you which engine you should have] and a few other bits of pertinent info..........All those Numbers on a vin plate are a non secret code...

 

[Gorilla]

guys some tuning had to be done for the drive train package to work in the stallion. there is a large weight difference between a ford 4 x 4 ranger and the stallion.

by the way for those who dont know the transmission is from the 4 x 4 with the tail shaft being chaged to a custom tail for the length of the drive line to work.

tuning would be required for the shifting points to be changed at the very least. tbms probably had the orginal tune setup by rousch and then just flashed that program into the ecm during production. coding could of been added that prohibited re flashing.

one might try one of those modules that plug into the obd11 port that allows modifing the information coming out of the ecm to change performance.

 

[1 triker]

guys some tuning had to be done for the drive train package to work in the stallion. there is a large weight difference between a ford 4 x 4 ranger and the stallion.

by the way for those who dont know the transmission is from the 4 x 4 with the tail shaft being chaged to a custom tail for the length of the drive line to work.

tuning would be required for the shifting points to be changed at the very least. tbms probably had the orginal tune setup by rousch and then just flashed that program into the ecm during production. coding could of been added that prohibited re flashing.

one might try one of those modules that plug into the obd11 port that allows modifing the information coming out of the ecm to change performance.

Good info, one company that sell the chip said it would not work if there's a tune in the ECM.​

 

[1 triker]

There aren't any VIN numbers on engines...There are serial numbers...The Vehicle Identification Number is on the body/frame of the Vehicle to tell you the date of production the color of the body type of transmission and engine size [One of the # in the vin will tell you which engine you should have] and a few other bits of pertinent info..........All those Numbers on a vin plate are a non secret code...

Thanks, I found out before I went to look for it.

 

[trike tech]

Gorilla is "on point" with his response.

The original HP #'s were "estimates" based on the Ranger platform since no tuning/testing had truly been done at that point.

For those who don't quite follow the Rousch connection. ALL mileage, epa, & certification testing has to be done by a secondary company (we did not provide the mileage estimates directly). Additionally, we had "modified" the intake & muffler setup for "setup" purposes. Roush "designed" the intake & exhaust setup on the Stallion & did the tuning for the pcm for shift points, etc. Once they completed that aspect they also did the mileage & epa testing/certifications (non carb states) for TMS.

The pcm's weren't pre-flashed or pre-tuned in the Roush facility; Roush built a "programming box" that did the flashing of the pcm's for TBMS. ALL of the Stallion pcm's from Ford were standard 170pin "non flashed" pcms; during the build process "programming box" was plugged into the obd 2 port & the key cycled on to initiate the programming of the pcm. I've attached a picture I "borrowed" from the interwebs to help give an idea of what this "box" I speak of looks like. It's essentially just like the below picture with 5 or 6 lights on it that light up as the programming is done.

 

[trike tech]

On a side note, I'm impressed on the dyno results with your unit! Stock HP is more than I expected it to be; granted I'm not at all surprised at how the powerband "dropped off" prior to tuning. Most vehicles have something similar which is why they tend to wake up so much when you put a chip or tune in them.

Looking forward to seeing the overall drivability & day to day riding results over time!

 

[Dragon]

hello

I want to add 2 cents worth. Tbms sends a bunch of pcm's to roush with this spec , our application for use ford 2.3l 4x4 w/automatic transmission, so rousch looks up tune info for ford truck, they have worked with this vehicle before. they tune the engine for a 4x4 truck with some up grades for more hp. now all stallions have the same tune up which is shown in dyno first run, dyno operator buys license to up grade ford products, some have internet access up dates according to vin number. ok flash system remove all data or only some, set data into pcm, start and run vehicle set up what you want for specs(dyno run)

at this point you can play with tune, I have it just right now. flash system store data in pcm. now that you have license you can always tweak it later. if need be, second run dyno shows good results. as for the product Richard showed, these products return the original tune up specs as was flashed into memory to begin with. they help repair system but will not change tune up. probably did not explain this very well either.

Dragon

okey:

 

[trike tech]

hello

I want to add 2 cents worth. Tbms sends a bunch of pcm's to roush with this spec , our application for use ford 2.3l 4x4 w/automatic transmission, so rousch looks up tune info for ford truck, they have worked with this vehicle before. they tune the engine for a 4x4 truck with some up grades for more hp. now all stallions have the same tune up which is shown in dyno first run, dyno operator buys license to up grade ford products, some have internet access up dates according to vin number. ok flash system remove all data or only some, set data into pcm, start and run vehicle set up what you want for specs(dyno run)

at this point you can play with tune, I have it just right now. flash system store data in pcm. now that you have license you can always tweak it later. if need be, second run dyno shows good results. as for the product Richard showed, these products return the original tune up specs as was flashed into memory to begin with. they help repair system but will not change tune up. probably did not explain this very well either.

Dragon

okey:

I can't speak for the tuning part & the jailbreaking of the pcm (but it's how most tuners get access to avoid piggybacking a secondary controller). We never sent the pcm's to Roush, they were all programmed in our facility via the programmer that Roush provided (the black box mentioned in my earlier post). TBMS delivered a Stallion to the Roush R&D facility in Detroit so they could develop the intake/exhaust as well as tune the pcm and do any necessary testing. If I remember correctly, they had the vehicle for about 6 months (give or take).

I was one of the two staff members who delivered the Stallion to Roush & met Matt (no longer with Roush) who was in charge of the Stallion project. Matt was one of the leads on the Ford lightning project through their R&D facility.

I will say this, if you have the strings to pull in order to get access; taking a tour of the Roush R&D facility is an experience you won't soon forget! Unfortunately they do not allow any cameras or cell phones while being shown the R&D areas for obvious reasons. I did manage to sneak a few pictures inside the secure gate going into the R&D "parking lot". Most Ford GT's I've ever seen in any single place!

 

[Dragon]

good morning

nowhere in my rant yesterday did I say anything about frilling stealing? data has been available for all vehicles since they put data port in 1996. software is FREE to update the roush tune from their website. Richard you must have dyno data from when they developed the tune to begin with, can you share and we can compare with previous post.

Dragon

 

[trike tech]

Dragon,

Probably a typo, but not sure what you mean on the frilling stealing? OBD port does give access to basic information, but custom tunes are typically "locked" and can't be changed unless you have a way of jailbreaking the computer to alter it. To the best of my knowledge we never had any dyno or specific tuning information from Roush, they simply provided us the plug in programmer for the pcm so that we could flash the pcm's to the parameters.

Also to clarify just in case I caused any confusion. Roush does not have the programming or tune information on the Stallion any longer. I can't tell you a time frame as to when they "did away" with the information but it's been at least a year since we were made aware that they didn't have the programming info anymore.

 

[1 triker]

The guy that did his tuning is special. :clapping:

 

[rocket1lf]

Do I see a road trip coming heading to Phoenix????? Rick

 

[rocket1lf]

289 miles for breakfast this morning. Temperatures averaged from a low of 34 to a high of 58. The first tank going up and down the hills (small hills for us is up and down to 4000 feet) and around the twisties averaged 28.9mpg over 211 miles. The second fill up averaged 37.9 with the cruise on and set at 72mph for 78 miles with just little ups and downs. I'm happy. Rick

 

[1 triker]

289 miles for breakfast this morning. Temperatures averaged from a low of 34 to a high of 58. The first tank going up and down the hills (small hills for us is up and down to 4000 feet) and around the twisties averaged 28.9mpg over 211 miles. The second fill up averaged 37.9 with the cruise on and set at 72mph for 78 miles with just little ups and downs. I'm happy. Rick

Hmm, I wish Arizona wasn't so far away.

Can you give us the contact number and shop name?

 

[rocket1lf]

Hmm, I wish Arizona wasn't so far away.

Can you give us the contact number and shop name?

Arizona Dyno Chip

480-496-8800

Keith is the person that did the tune. He used to be the owner, but sold the shop. He will come in and do Fords if you make arrangements through the shop.

 

[1 triker]

Thanks, they are located in Tempe,Az which is where I bought my trike.

 

[1 triker]

Arizona Dyno Chip

480-496-8800

Keith is the person that did the tune. He used to be the owner, but sold the shop. He will come in and do Fords if you make arrangements through the shop.

I am having trouble getting to speak with Keith about tuning, I've called his number for about 3 weeks now but no answer. The new shop owner gave me his number which I only talked to him once since then but can't get him anymore. Has anyone else tried?

 

[rocket1lf]

I am having trouble getting to speak with Keith about tuning, I've called his number for about 3 weeks now but no answer. The new shop owner gave me his number which I only talked to him once since then but can't get him anymore. Has anyone else tried?

The best way to get a hold of him is to text him. He doesn't answer the phone unless your number is on his client list and comes up with a name on his phone. He does go to Mexico fishing quite a bit. Rick

 

[1 triker]

The best way to get a hold of him is to text him. He doesn't answer the phone unless your number is on his client list and comes up with a name on his phone. He does go to Mexico fishing quite a bit. Rick

Ok, thanks.

 

[1 triker]

Hi all, I found two shops that are willing to see if they can do a performance tune on my Stallion, hopefully I can get it done within the next two weeks.