Thinking of Changing the Factory Aircleaner

[JTJersey]

I found this Cobra PowerFlo Intake System for the Milwaukee Eight motor that I really looks sharp to me. I want to show off more of the engine than the factory '21 Freewheeler air cleaner does and it comes with a K&N air filter, but I don't want to get involved with dyno testing or tuning systems. The manufacturer says it's not necessary to do anything after installation, BUT it's "best to tune it" and then they offer to sell you a tune kit. While I like the factory air cleaner it's on the large side and I like the clean looks of this one. Does anybody know anything about this Cobra setup?

 

[rhino 2]

I found this Cobra PowerFlo Intake System for the Milwaukee Eight motor that I really looks sharp to me. I want to show off more of the engine than the factory '21 Freewheeler air cleaner does and it comes with a K&N air filter, but I don't want to get involved with dyno testing or tuning systems. The manufacturer says it's not necessary to do anything after installation, BUT it's "best to tune it" and then they offer to sell you a tune kit. While I like the factory air cleaner it's on the large side and I like the clean looks of this one. Does anybody know anything about this Cobra setup?

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I have no knowledge of the Cobra....But.....As a ex-drag racer....[Class record holder]...When you change one thing on the intake and or the exhaust no matter what anyone says, It begets you to change another thing to make the first change right......

 

[Old Road Dog]

Yes you can add that air cleaner. The ECM has some leeway in adjusting the AFR- limited but it does it all the time- like constantly. Now if you also add new exhaust then you will need a tuner. Give it a try- your gonna end up changing stuff out and youll get a tuner anyway.

 

[JTJersey]

If I change out the air cleaner do you suppose HD will cancel my warranty?

 

[rhino 2]

If I change out the air cleaner do you suppose HD will cancel my warranty?

Harley will cancel your warranty just by you asking if something will cancel your warranty...

 

[JTJersey]

Harley will cancel your warranty just by you asking if something will cancel your warranty...

LOL!! Still laughing. :laugh: Probably very true though.

 

[Jack Klarich]

If you want real bang for your buck check out D K Customs for an Outlaw AC

And yes HD can and will eat up your warranty on any M8 engine for AC and exhaust and tuners not approved by them and the EPA police

The EPA has hit them hard ( HD agreed with the EPA ) over this baloney IMO

 

[JTJersey]

So I went ahead and bought the Cobra PowerFlo aircleaner with the K&N filter. Was going to wait 'till after my 5,000 mile service that's coming up, but you know how that goes. I gotta say it's one well built set up, albeit with rather lame instructions. I've gotten better clarity from instructions for Japanese model kits. Youtube bailed me out and I had it on in about 15 minutes. Had a break in the weather today and ran up onto the freeway.

A noticeable performance increase. Not spectacular, but quite perceptible and I think it looks better than stock without looking out of place and shows off way more of the motor. No warning lights showed up so I'm going to try a longer ride tomorrow and see how it does. Got it from Parts Giant. By far the best price with free shipping. Received it three days after purchase. I'm a happy camper, at least for now.

 

[Zammy]

Looking good John ThumbUp

 

[Jack Klarich]

Looks way better than stock:clapping:

You should not get any check engine light

The M8 engines run richer from the factory, I ran a DK Customs outlaw AC on my 17 M8 with no problems

 

[Jack Klarich]

John, question for you

How do the breather bolts off the heads route?

If it is back into the throttle you may want to check on making or buying a reroute with a catch can from D K Customs so you are not choking your engine with that hot oily moisture laden crap JMO

 

[JTJersey]

John, question for you How do the breather bolts off the heads route? If it is back into the throttle you may want to check on making or buying a reroute with a catch can from D K Customs so you are not choking your engine with that hot oily moisture laden crap JMO

Yep, routes the same way as stock. Back into the intake. They use different bolts, but otherwise identical setup. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that item would you?

 

[Jack Klarich]

Yep, routes the same way as stock. Back into the intake. They use different bolts, but otherwise identical setup. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that item would you?

Yup, look here, but you may want to call and be sure of fitment with your style AC

https://www.dkcustomproducts.com/hose-filter-external-breather-systems-414.htm

 

[MikeyTX]

I have no knowledge of the Cobra....But.....As a ex-drag racer....[Class record holder]...When you change one thing on the intake and or the exhaust no matter what anyone says, It begets you to change another thing to make the first change right......

This !

 

[MikeyTX]

Ehhhh ........... What will the motor co say about a catch can ? Last thing he needs to do is bust his warranty coverage. After being busted by the EPA, I wouldn't give H-D any thing to kick about. They won't say squat about the new air cleaner. A catch can they might. He really needs to run that by his dealer IMHO just to be on the safe side.

 

[rhino 2]

Ehhhh ........... What will the motor co say about a catch can ? Last thing he needs to do is bust his warranty coverage. After being busted by the EPA, I wouldn't give H-D any thing to kick about. They won't say squat about the new air cleaner. A catch can they might. He really needs to run that by his dealer IMHO just to be on the safe side.

Thats akin to asking Momma can i have a piece of pie before dinner....You know what the answer is gonna be....:bashtroll:........Besides the'll never say it's ok..[In writing that is 'Plausible Deniability]..Playing with emission controls...Ie; Tampering...Is Illegal..

 

[MikeyTX]

This is why I broached the question. Op has a new mc. I would hate for him to have an issue, unlikely as it might be, and have a warranty claim denied because he's added a catch can.

 

[rhino 2]

This is why I broached the question. Op has a new mc. I would hate for him to have an issue, unlikely as it might be, and have a warranty claim denied because he's added a catch can.

I never worried about warrantees....I just did what i wanted to do, And i never had a problem...But because i never had one that doesn't mean that someone else wont have one..

Me' I never asked on any forum if i do such and such will it void my warranty..And that because i'm not worried......That said, If someone has to ask that means their worried and maybe they shouldn't do it...At least until their warranty is over..:Shrug:...

 

[MikeyTX]

I agree. Things have changed though and that is why I asked.

 

[rhino 2]

I agree. Things have changed though and that is why I asked.

Don't ask 'Don't tell...................

 

[Jack Klarich]

OP can change a catch can back to stock breathing in about 10 minutes if warranty work is needed

According to HD even changing to a non approved air cleaner can void warranty, that said skirting an EPA mandate on pollution control ( could mean air cleaner and for sure the head breathers) would bring bad JUJU when seeking warranty work

 

[MikeyTX]

Which works for just so long. TX is getting anal on stuff like that because of these damn "coal rollers." Now they are failing vehicles that bypass emissions equipment. In fact, the state just changed the software at all the testing stations. It can now detect if the ECU has been altered by a tune.

 

[rhino 2]

OP can change a catch can back to stock breathing in about 10 minutes if warranty work is needed

According to HD even changing to a non approved air cleaner can void warranty, that said skirting an EPA mandate on pollution control ( could mean air cleaner and for sure the head breathers) would bring bad JUJU when seeking warranty work

Simple #Warranty work most dealers wouldn’t look at your mod’s. But if’s it’s something Major and they have to call in a factory Rep all bets off..

 

[MikeyTX]

OP can change a catch can back to stock breathing in about 10 minutes if warranty work is needed

According to HD even changing to a non approved air cleaner can void warranty, that said skirting an EPA mandate on pollution control ( could mean air cleaner and for sure the head breathers) would bring bad JUJU when seeking warranty work

There in lies the issue. The odds of the Cobra intake by itself creating an issue is slim. However, compounding the issue with the installation of a catch can might be the tipping point. Devil's advocate stance.

 

[MikeyTX]

Simple #Warranty work most dealers wouldn’t look at your mod’s. But if’s it’s something Major and they have to call in a factory Rep all bets off..

Slightly o/t ............ Damn I just read on how restrictive NJ is relating to concealed carry. Now back to the main topic ! :Coffee:

 

[Jack Klarich]

There in lies the issue. The odds of the Cobra intake by itself creating an issue is slim. However, compounding the issue with the installation of a catch can might be the tipping point. Devil's advocate stance.

The EPA not only has a say in the air cleaner under emissions control, it also has a say in the noise level of the air cleaner and exhaust

Harley knew exactly what they were doing entering into the restrictive EPA mandates

It insured HD to sell their ( approved exhaust, intakes and EPA compliant tuners) in order to keep factory warranty

 

[MikeyTX]

Of course they did. This is happening even in the automotive industry. It has driven several companies that made cat delete kits out of the market.

 

[rhino 2]

OP can change a catch can back to stock breathing in about 10 minutes if warranty work is needed

According to HD even changing to a non approved air cleaner can void warranty, that said skirting an EPA mandate on pollution control ( could mean air cleaner and for sure the head breathers) would bring bad JUJU when seeking warranty work

Speaking hypothetically suppose you breakdown in Dubuque but you live in Oshkosh and you have to be towed to the dealer you don’t know in Dubuque how are you doing to go back to stock?

 

[MikeyTX]

Speaking hypothetically suppose you breakdown in Dubuque but you live in Oshkosh and you have to be towed to the dealer you don’t know in Dubuque how are you doing to go back to stock?

Wear your coveralls ............. :laugh:

 

[Jack Klarich]

Speaking hypothetically suppose you breakdown in Dubuque but you live in Oshkosh and you have to be towed to the dealer you don’t know in Dubuque how are you doing to go back to stock?

What ever tools and hose you would need to carry would be minimal, I call that cheap insurance