What is a motorcycle?

[John Luciano]

Right on . I can just imagine me going to my local DMV in Conn. with paperwork saying I am registering a Stallion. They would tell me that horses don't need a plate . Heck when Maryann told the DMV inspector she had a Champion Goldwing trike he asked if it had tail light , brake lights, horn and turn sig. Was it street legal ? Even if I brought a Stallion to DMV here it would be a real circus. I Am Sure they have no clue it even exist. When I was at the Transportation Committee at the State Capital, fighting for Maryann to get a license we could not get it through to them what a trike was. I spent most of my allotted 10 min. trying to explain that it was fast enough for high way use and that it wont tip over and does not look like an ATV. YES it would help if Trikes Stallions and Spyders had more exposure. It would also shorten our gas stops . I can just imagine a stallion GAS stop :yes:

 

[Mattel]

ThoroughBred MotorSports--creators of the Stallion.

Thanks Sweete!

 

[Mattel]

Right on . I can just imagine me going to my local DMV in Conn. with paperwork saying I am registering a Stallion. They would tell me that horses don't need a plate . Heck when Maryann told the DMV inspector she had a Champion Goldwing trike he asked if it had tail light , brake lights, horn and turn sig. Was it street legal ? Even if I brought a Stallion to DMV here it would be a real circus. I Am Sure they have no clue it even exist. When I was at the Transportation Committee at the State Capital, fighting for Maryann to get a license we could not get it through to them what a trike was. I spent most of my allotted 10 min. trying to explain that it was fast enough for high way use and that it wont tip over and does not look like an ATV. YES it would help if Trikes Stallions and Spyders had more exposure. It would also shorten our gas stops . I can just imagine a stallion GAS stop :yes:

John,
Do you know why Stallions have large 9.5 gal gas tanks? It is because it takes longer to talk to people at the gas station, and less stops mean more time to ride!!!!

 

[triwinggirl]

NRS 486.370 “Motorcycle” does not include trimobile.

NRS 486.057 Trimobile defined : Trimobile” means every motor vehicle designed to travel with three wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are power driven.

NRS486.041 “Motorcycle” defined. “Motorcycle” means every motor vehicle equipped with a seat or a saddle for the use of the driver and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, excluding an electric bicycle as defined in NRS 483.067, a tractor and a moped.

If you take a copy of nevada laws with you when you go to your state officials they will have something to go by, and your trike will not be a motorcycle or a car. If you read the laws you will see that an exception is always made for trimobiles. we should not be held to car laws or motorcycle laws. What we Ride/Drive are not either, nor should they be.

About the stallion if you look at it with the body off you will see the complete cage that protects you.

 

[Mattel]

NRS 486.370 “Motorcycle” does not include trimobile.

NRS 486.057 Trimobile defined : Trimobile” means every motor vehicle designed to travel with three wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are power driven.

NRS486.041 “Motorcycle” defined. “Motorcycle” means every motor vehicle equipped with a seat or a saddle for the use of the driver and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, excluding an electric bicycle as defined in NRS 483.067, a tractor and a moped.

If you take a copy of nevada laws with you when you go to your state officials they will have something to go by, and your trike will not be a motorcycle or a car. If you read the laws you will see that an exception is always made for trimobiles. we should not be held to car laws or motorcycle laws. What we Ride/Drive are not either, nor should they be.

About the stallion if you look at it with the body off you will see the complete cage that protects you.

If you embrace the trimobile you will loose the protection of many great orginanisations like the AMA who work to protect the rights of motorcycles. I would rather be a motorcycle for that reason alone. I have no probem with being a motorcycle with three wheels. I don't want a seatbelt. Who will lobby for you when someone says you trimobile person.... You need to be protected, you need a helmet and a seatbelt in my state! No Thank You.

 

[molinoman]

Thanks Mattel...I forgot to mention seatbelt.

Dennis

11 dtg KAF
16 dtg Dubai
17 dtg Home
38 dtg London

 

[Mattel]

The following message is in response to Triwinggirl's message to me. I am posing it here because I beleive she had some great points and I do not want her to stop posting on this thread or any other on TT. In her message she felt we were fighting on this thread, and I responded with the following message that I would like all of you to see;

Triwinggirl,
I am sorry you feel this was a fight.:machinegun: If I led you to believe that, I am sorry and I do sincerely apologize. :blush:

I thought each post we brought to the table a new aspect or facet of what we were trying to convey. I look at this site as a public forum to discuss the issues. :yes:

This is an important issue and perpetuating the discussion may help someone reach the correct decision in Washingtonn or at the State level. :yes:

I understand your point, and as I have posted reasons for my convictions that a Stallion is a Motorcycle based on the safety that label provides. Your point is logical, and when addressed as your State does it appears to work for us as riders and owners; but dangerous from the aspect that other lawmakers over-legislate things that they do not have experience with, or believe a minority of people would be impacted by their over-reaching decisions.

Your comments on this thread have been detailed and well written. This forum does not create winners or losers, as we all benefit from detailed critical thinking and discussions that are put on display for the entire public and our lawmakers to see.

Please continue to post your thoughts, you have given back to this forum and that is what will ensure Triketalk.com will develop into the best place to make friends, discuss critical issues, and find information on Stallions and other trikes no matter what they are classified as in the future. utergreet:

 

[molinoman]

Mattel, thank you for posting your reply to Triwinggirl's pm...from what you posted I have a fair idea of what she probably talked about (or I could be completely off base).

I thought the discussion was pretty well laid out, but she did bring up two definitions of a "trimobile" and "motorcycle" which shared characteristics of the Stallion. For the trimobile it stated that it was a three wheeled vehicle and that a motorcycle could be up to three wheels, I am not sure why she was bringing up the difference when in effect there was not a difference per se.

I am envious that she does live in a state where a regular drivers license (at least that was the way I read it) seems to suffice to be able to pilot the Stallion (or a trike) down the road and that is more convenient, I wish more states (including mine/FL) were the same.

Having seen the cover off of the Stallion the "cage" she refers to is not that much of a cage to speak of. Other than the lower frame that sticks out from the wheelbase that would basically enable the Stallion to be "pushed" if hit from the side it offers nothing for the passenger compartment at all other than a thin wall. But that wall does keep out water, enables speakers to be mounted, heating and A/C ducts to be run and pouches to be hung from...but I would not really view it as a "safety cage" as you would find in a car.

Hopefully she will continue to contribute and realize that most of us do not live in a state, as she does, that does classify trikes/Stallions differently.

Dennis

10 dtg KAF
15 dtg Dubai
16 dtg Home
37 dtg London

 

[John Luciano]

Good response. Everyone has their opinion . Mine is the law makers should just sit back and let things be. We are never going to get a better efficient transportation system in the US if they keep making rules . The Stallion could be the future of an efficient means of transportation. We don't need it to be re categorized. A trike is what it is plain and simple. They have screwed up enough good ideas already back off .
as far as the forum goes nobody is on here to criticize your thinking we all value your opinion. Let's not turn Trike Talk in to a forum like others have been turned into. If I could afford to buy a Stallion I would in a heart beat and I would drive it straight to the State Capitol and ask a member of the Transportation div. and the DMV to come out and see what it is . As they said in the movie COOL HAND LUKE "Whats we have hair is a fail a your to come uni kate"

 

[Lunchbox1983]

Just an FYI to the thread

South Carolina is one of the states where any 3 wheeled Motorcycle/Stallion/Whatever you want to call it. All you need is a normal Driver License, this includes sidecars as long as they are not easily detachable.

This is a new Law as of July 2009.

 

[triwinggirl]

Thank you For pointing out that difference. The laws here are written to allow for micro cars. Which are just like trikes. They consider the ones with two steering wheels and one drive wheel ( total 3 ) motorcycles. The ones with two drive wheels and one steering wheel Trimobiles, ( micro cars ).

Yes both are under motorcycles, if you read the laws they exclude trimobiles with an enclosure, or a windscreen from the motorcycle regs. and some car regs. to allow for micro cars, and trikes. Fortunately most trikes fit this description. So no endorsement, no helmet, no special test, no seat belts, no special cage. But still a motorcycle so still part of the clubs. If it drives like a car why should you have to take a special test. Fortunetly most front steer trike out now with a partial enclosure have belts anyway like a micro car. All still cycles.

We also have a state run safety course just for trikes in reno. But it is not required. Most trikers here take it because it reduces you insurance and will get you that unnecessary MC endorsement.

I believe these laws should be everywhere. I hate to say this about any law but these make sense. You just have to read them all carefully.

Trikes are safer and most are micro cars, or built from cars. They should not be held to motorcycle regs and endorsements. However, most are complete open cockpit, or built from a cycle. So still a cycle sort of. Because of this and tipping we all ride different than cycles, a little more relaxed. But still faster than a cycle. :yay: