Vanderhall Guy

[boyerd]

This seems like a great community. I work with the marketing arm of Vanderhall Motor Works in Provo, Utah. We are a small manufacturer of some really cool roadsters. I am happy to answer any questions I can for anyone on the forum. I probably have more miles in Vanderhall's than any other person out there and can't get enough. I come from an adventuresome background and look forward to participating in rallies throughout the U.S. and abroad.

 

[David357]

Hi Daniel,:wave4:

:welcome: to our Trike Talk Family.:wave4:

 

[rhino 2]

Hi Daniel,:wave4:

:welcome: to our Trike Talk Family.:wave4:

Dave, Just thinking out loud here.....But any chance of Vanderhall becoming a sponsor here at Trike-Talk.......:Shrug:-:Shrug:....

 

[Sandyken]

Hello Daniel. Great to see you here at TT! That is one of the best Vanderhall videos yet. We have spoken in the the past and I have always been impressed by your knowledge and passion. We love our Laguna (first production model) and are proud to have it. You will be a superb asset to anyone interested in the Venice, Speedster, Carmel, Edison and any future models. Enjoy TT, it's a fun place to be. Will see you, pmar6004 and others at the 3 Wheeler Rally in SD! Also, thanks to Steve Hall for sharing his dream with us.

 

[tomg]

Daniel welcome aboard! Right now there are 3 different entries here for the Vanderhallmotorcycle. Maybe Randy will put them together? I for one has made several comments / questions and you are probably the one to give us the answers or at least explain why someone ordering a new vehicle has to buy accessories that should be options at the factory . I can't think of anyone wanting an extra interior, fenders or exhaust sitting in their garage collecting dust. An added charge for upgrades is one thing but buying items twice and paying labor twice just doesn't make a lot of sense to most of us! Also I as well as others would like to know/see photos of the Carmel without accessories and list the accessories and prices. Still haven't seen what the available top looks like? Tomg

 

[bikerbillone]

Good post tomg, I too follow this thread, although I may never own one, but then I follow lots of threads out of curiosity, yes, even oil threads. I keep thinking, someone will discover that 'magic oil', and a magic way of changing the air filter on a Honda gl1800.

 

[Sandyken]

Good post tomg, I too follow this thread, although I may never own one, but then I follow lots of threads out of curiosity, yes, even oil threads. I keep thinking, someone will discover that 'magic oil', and a magic way of changing the air filter on a Honda gl1800.

Hi Bill, I am a big fan of Vanderhall and love to spread the word. For Sandy and I it was a necessity to switch to this type of vehicle for physical comfort and to still have an open air experience. Very nice looking trike you have. What kind of oil have you found is best for you. I'm trying to figure out what to use in our Laguna.

 

[boyerd]

Factory vs dealer install accessories

Daniel welcome aboard! Right now there are 3 different entries here for the Vanderhallmotorcycle. Maybe Randy will put them together? I for one has made several comments / questions and you are probably the one to give us the answers or at least explain why someone ordering a new vehicle has to buy accessories that should be options at the factory . I can't think of anyone wanting an extra interior, fenders or exhaust sitting in their garage collecting dust. An added charge for upgrades is one thing but buying items twice and paying labor twice just doesn't make a lot of sense to most of us! Also I as well as others would like to know/see photos of the Carmel without accessories and list the accessories and prices. Still haven't seen what the available top looks like? Tomg

For now, the main reason we have a simplified ordering process is for that exact reason, simplification. So much goes into bringing a vehicle to market and that is compounded by the fact that each Vanderhall is handmade. Over time, as we expand, move into our new building and continue to expand our dealer network, our capabilities to have more factory-installed options will improve. Until then, dealer installed options continue to be extremely popular and enable us to streamline our product to market. We build blank canvas and the dealer finishes then to the consumer's specification.

As far as the roof for the Carmel, as soon as we are ready to release it will go out with fanfare.

 

[bikerbillone]

Hi Bill, I am a big fan of Vanderhall and love to spread the word. For Sandy and I it was a necessity to switch to this type of vehicle for physical comfort and to still have an open air experience. Very nice looking trike you have. What kind of oil have you found is best for you. I'm trying to figure out what to use in our Laguna.

Thanks on the white GW/Road Smith conversion compliment, the wife and I get lots of enjoyment from that sled. We have looked at the Spyder, touring version, but just can't justify that for a variety of reasons. Amazing that know so little about the Vanderhaul. As for my oil change, I'm a simple sort and go with the Shell Rotella T4 15/40 heavy duty diesel oil, in the gallon container, regular dino oil. There's also the full synthetic Shell Rotella T6 5/40, same description. I've used the Rotella T4 for years and change it every 5K to 6K miles, seems to work for me and it's affordable. I don't see the wisdom in full synthetic unless your driving a vehicle that says 'use it' with no options.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Very cool, great video

Welcome to Trike Talk

 

[peteg59]

I've been watching Vanderhall for awhile now, as they seem to be better quality than the comparable Slingshot.

Plus they offer their ride with automatic transmission.

Not currently in the market for one, but hope they take off in popularity and prosper as a business going forward...:clapping:

 

[tomg]

Hi Bill, I am a big fan of Vanderhall and love to spread the word. For Sandy and I it was a necessity to switch to this type of vehicle for physical comfort and to still have an open air experience. Very nice looking trike you have. What kind of oil have you found is best for you. I'm trying to figure out what to use in our Laguna.

I have used Mobil 1 since 1976! Your Vanderhall motorcycle has a Chevy motor, Corvettes use Mobile 1 as well as Mercedes! I also use it in my Stallion, 75k miles on it now. Tomg

 

[pmar6004]

This seems like a great community. I work with the marketing arm of Vanderhall Motor Works in Provo, Utah. We are a small manufacturer of some really cool roadsters. I am happy to answer any questions I can for anyone on the forum. I probably have more miles in Vanderhall's than any other person out there and can't get enough. I come from an adventuresome background and look forward to participating in rallies throughout the U.S. and abroad.

Welcome to TT, Dan. Since my original posting on your Vanderhall Owners Forum, (Dec. 5th), where I wanted to see if there was any interest in the TrikeTalk (TT) Forum, amongst its members, I'm pleased to see a few VOF members such as Sandyken (Ken) and yourself, taking the time to check us out.

Like Tomg, I'm very much interested in the Carmel and have personally requested it be included as a unit that will be available for demo rides during the 2019 5th Annual Deadwood 3 Wheeler Rally (July 9th - 14th).

Like many that are interested in the Vanderhall products, I'm from a state where there are no dealerships, although rumor has it that one might be considered for Sturgis. Thank you, for what I will consider, accepting my invitation to TT. I look forward to reading further post about your products and the interests they generate.

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

Why have we not heard anything from the Vanderhall guy? They were supposed to be in their new facility and starting production of the Carmel this month. Still nothing posted anywhere about it! Tomg

 

[pmar6004]

Why have we not heard anything from the Vanderhall guy? They were supposed to be in their new facility and starting production of the Carmel this month. Still nothing posted anywhere about it! Tomg

Tomg,

Dan Boyer (Vanderhall Guy) just recently became a member of TT about a month ago, based off of an invitation from me. He doesn't frequent our forum as much as he does their forum, the Vanderhall Owners Forum: http://www.facebook.com/groups/1073317542800737/ I recently became a member of their forum to introduce their members to TT and to keep abreast of their newest model the Carmel, which I, like you, am very interested in. I'd recommend that you do the same as I if you want to ask a question or keep in touch with Dan. You'll get his response much quicker, IMHO.

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

Thanks but, I'm not a face book user. I might have to rethink that option though. I spoke with someone back in Sept at Vanderhallmotorcycle for about 30 minutes about more information and was told about the new facility and the Carmel. I as you, I advised them that TT was probably the largest website for trikers of all makes and models out there. He (I don't remember his name) supposedly wrote it down to look at the site.

I have been able to speak to a couple of people within Vanderhallmotorcycle which has made me feel better about the Carmel but, no prices I want to know about. I'm still amazed that the local dealers don't have the accessories and prices for the Carmel yet. For something that is going to be in production this month, one would think they would know what the accessories and prices would be so the dealers can get those orders in! Just my thoughts . Tomg

 

[pmar6004]

Thanks but, I'm not a face book user. I might have to rethink that option though. I spoke with someone back in Sept at Vanderhallmotorcycle for about 30 minutes about more information and was told about the new facility and the Carmel. I as you, I advised them that TT was probably the largest website for trikers of all makes and models out there. He (I don't remember his name) supposedly wrote it down to look at the site.

I have been able to speak to a couple of people within Vanderhallmotorcycle which has made me feel better about the Carmel but, no prices I want to know about. I'm still amazed that the local dealers don't have the accessories and prices for the Carmel yet. For something that is going to be in production this month, one would think they would know what the accessories and prices would be so the dealers can get those orders in! Just my thoughts . Tomg

I'll see what I can find out from Dan on the Carmel, costs and what's standard and what are the options. They advertise the base price at just under $40K. I assume that you have checked out their website and read the specs on the Carmel. I believe it also shows a brief list as to what is standard equipment. Since production has yet to be announced, this might be a tentative listing. I've asked for a brochure, once they get some printed up. I'll report back, once I have further information.

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

I have all buy memorized the web site LOL But, there is that nasty little asterisk stating shown with options and other than the canvas top and after market a/c , they don't list any options. So what are the options I'm supposedly looking at? Longer exhaust , long fenders front and rear, 2 tone paint? Tomg

 

[pmar6004]

I have all buy memorized the web site LOL But, there is that nasty little asterisk stating shown with options and other than the canvas top and after market a/c , they don't list any options. So what are the options I'm supposedly looking at? Longer exhaust , long fenders front and rear, 2 tone paint? Tomg

Tomg,

I must ask you to be bit more patient, as I'm waiting for Daniel Boyer to respond to my earlier inquires (referring to my previous post). You're correct in a couple of your assumptions, as I'm sure the list of options will include: ac, special paint (Vanderhall Stripe Logo), black powered exhaust, removable ABS plastic roof top, all leather seats, longer fenders both front and rear, leather wrapped steering wheel, possibly paddle shifters (although I think they should be standard equipment), dashboard color options as well as chrome accents on gauges, special gauges, like how much boost the turbine is putting out and a gear indicator gauge 1 - 6, special wheel options, cruise control, (although I think it should be standard equipment).

These are but a few items that I think will be options. Like you, I have trouble with paying for something TWICE or having a bunch of takeoff items that will add to my already cluttered garage, like upgrading the wheels or the seats. Special consideration needs to be given to the customer when he/she purchases a new Vanderhall Carmel or any other model, when he/she wishes to upgrade at the time of sale, like getting a price discount on the upgrade. This will only work or make sense IF it is done at the time of the initial sale. These upgrades need to be performed by the manufacturer and not the dealerships for this to work, IMHO. Well that's my two cents, for what it's worth!

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

Thanks Paul, I appreciate you also trying to get prices made available as I have been. My latest conversation with Provo was that hopefully our questions will be answered by 1 Feb. This is really cutting it short for me as I have put together a Snowbird Get Together here in central Florida for 7 years and it's 3-8 March this year. We normally have 15 to 20 trikes riding together. Knowing that we will be riding up the coast to St Agustine and back, around the Daytona Beach area and inland as well, I would definitely be showing off a new Carmel if I'm lucky enough to get one by 1 March which would obviously spark interest for the display at the International Speedway during Bike Week! Tomg

 

[pmar6004]

Latest News on the Carmel...

Thanks Paul, I appreciate you also trying to get prices made available as I have been. My latest conversation with Provo was that hopefully our questions will be answered by 1 Feb. This is really cutting it short for me as I have put together a Snowbird Get Together here in central Florida for 7 years and it's 3-8 March this year. We normally have 15 to 20 trikes riding together. Knowing that we will be riding up the coast to St Agustine and back, around the Daytona Beach area and inland as well, I would definitely be showing off a new Carmel if I'm lucky enough to get one by 1 March which would obviously spark interest for the display at the International Speedway during Bike Week! Tomg

Tomg,

In reading comments on the Vanderhall Owners Forum, Daniel Boyer stated that those that have pre-ordered the Carmel, should expect their respective dealers to contact them near the end of the first quarter with respects to what options are available and their prices. As of yet, it's not been determined as to what options will be provided. Currently production has not moved into their new factory building. I'm guessing another month or two. Shortly after they do, I'm expecting a major change as to how they intend to do their marketing with regard to ordering what options you want installed and the installation will be done by the manufacturer and not the dealer. I'm going to hold off with my order until I've had the opportunity of the demo ride, that they're fully functional in their new factory building and have adopted the changes that I mentioned earlier regarding the marketing of their future models. A 2020 model is what I expect I'll be looking at, unless by chance, I come across a 2019 model that has the options I'm looking for.

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

Thanks for checking their Facebook forum. I guess time will tell. I'm hoping that those I've spoken to are closer to their projections or wishful thinking that are closer than end of the quarter. Time will tell ! Be nice if they sell the Carmel as a 2020 model as it will be a new one. Car manufacturers do it when they come out with a new mid year model. Tomg

 

[Sandyken]

Tomg. Hope all is well with you. On the FB fourum Daniel said that the Carmel will be shipped to preorders in March, April and May. Some of those preorders are possibly to dealer stock. Have you communicated with imotorsort in Orlando? Contact Andre and he could possibly arrange a Venice group demo ride at the dealership for your posse at your TOI get together. They are one of the bigger Vanderhall franchises and will know about real world expectations. The Venice is now available for order with a grand touring package which is featured on there website. Additional cost is 2K.

Consider the Carmel a concept vehicle until you see one. Accessories will be similar to the Venice in price. They are still in design phase for the roof and a/c and I doubt they will be available at introduction. Vanderhall will be in Daytona for bike week, but I have no idea what will be for sale there. Good Luck, you might find what you're looking for.

 

[tomg]

Hey Ken, I have test driven the Venice at Daytona during Biketoberfest and also at the Orlando dealership. The test drive at Orlando was MUCH better because of the available route we were taken on! Really made me appreciate how it handles! I just wish they weren't so tight lipped about options, prices and release dates. Just have to wait and see. Tomg

 

[Sandyken]

Tom, this is the latest from Daniel Boyer in regards to Carmel and Daytona. "Vanderhall will be demoing at the international speedway and units will be for sale on site. Carmel will be there, but not demo'd and for desposit only as production will likely just get started on it."

Hope this helps. Waiting is hard, but they want to get it right. Did you see the Venice with the Deluxe Touring package yet? It's on their website now. I know you are interested in Carmel, but the package really dresses it up for $2K.

 

[tomg]

Yes I've viewed the Venice options and the interior of the tan looks much better than on the Carmel page! If they can show the true colors for the Venice, why not the Carmel? Tom

 

[pmar6004]

Latest News on the Carmel...

Thanks for checking their Facebook forum. I guess time will tell. I'm hoping that those I've spoken to are closer to their projections or wishful thinking that are closer than end of the quarter. Time will tell ! Be nice if they sell the Carmel as a 2020 model as it will be a new one. Car manufacturers do it when they come out with a new mid year model. Tomg

Tomg,

Vanderhall Motor Works (VMW) doesn't plan to change their relationship with their dealerships, anytime soon. They intend to stay a boutique manufacturer, making only stock models, with standard equipment installed at their factory, even after they are fully operational in their new facility. If you want any upgrades, either at the time of the initial sale or later on, you must go through their dealerships. So for example, say that you want to upgrade to leather seats, which is an option for the Carmel. You place your order through your dealer, either at the time of your initial purchase of the Carmel or at a later time. The dealer then will notify you when it's received and you can arrange to have them install the seats or you can do the install. The original standard seating is yours to do what you may, keep or sell them on Craigslist or EBAY. Or the dealership may buy them back from you, but that's their choice. The long and short of it is that anytime you upgrade, you are going to have inventory of standard parts to clutter up your garage. Now this only applies to upgrades and not to optional accessories, parts that are not installed on the Carmel, such as air conditioning or cruise control. Paddle shifters may be another item, but I'm not sure if they will be standard equipment, as the final product has yet to come off the assembly line. They expect to start filling the dealership's inventory by the end of the first quarter or in the next couple of months. Dealerships will have the option not to carry the Carmel in their regular inventory, so check if this is the case with yours. My closest dealership is 200 miles away, outside of Minneapolis, MN. I have his promise that he plans to carry the Carmel in his inventory and to have at least one for demo rides. He said that he already has taken orders for 4 of them. I'm looking forward to visiting his dealership in the spring.

pmar6004

 

[tomg]

Thanks Paul. I've had several phone conversations between dealers and others and their info has been the same. I sold my Stallion a few weeks ago and I'm trying to be patient! LOL It's the first time in many years I haven't had any type of m/c in my garage and it's driving me up the wall! I did get a reservation in early so hopefully I'll get one early. They are still playing with the prototype but, expect to start production soon. Just hope soon means sooner than later. Tomg

 

[bikerbillone]

tomg, man I have been following this thread for some time now. You are one patient man, you know what you want and jumping through all the hoops to get it. Sure hope it all works out for you, and I wish you the best on this transaction. Many of us would have given up long ago.

 

[tomg]

Thanks, I've been retired for over 11 years so I've learned to be more patient! My Stallion went pretty quickly which was good and the Carmel production is slightly behind but, I rather they get it correct so the first ones don't have issues right out of the gate! Being upset and obnoxious doesn't get you anywhere. I had just been hoping for it in time for our Snowbird Get Together that I put together down here the week prior to BikeWeek . Tomg