UBS Bolt Recall

[RoadRunner18]

Yesterday Honda Service Managers received an email from the Honda Corporation stating that dealerships could now order parts for, and schedule customers appointments for, the UBS Bolt recall. The email came with 30 pages of instructions, diagrams, etc.

Basically a lot of disassembly is required to get to the UBS Bolt, and a special tool (supplied by honda) is required. One major change is that the engine will NOT have to be removed from the frame. Honda states that replacement will take 5-1/2 hours to complete. Keep in mind, this information pertains to two-wheeled 2018+ GoldWing's.

I paid a visit to my dealership this morning and talked to the service manager. He already ordered the parts to satisfy the recall for my Trike, but received no information (instructions/diagrams) on how to perform this service on GoldWings that were triked. He told me he placed a call to the Honda Corporation this morning for additional information and was awaiting a return call.

Apparently when the recall was performed for the fuel pump issue, instructions for both two and three wheeled GoldWings were sent to service managers.

Anyone else speak to their dealerships / Service Managers about this recall?

 

[Trikerbri]

How many recalls has the 1800 Goldwing had since it was introduced? What's gone wrong at Honda.

Way back in the 1970's & 80's Honda had the finest reputation for quality and reliability, I rode their CB500-4 and CB750K series bikes from new including an older Pan European Trike without issue. Is it cost cutting or simply taking their eye off the ball?

To be fair it's not just Honda, the other japanese brands suffer the same problems.
Recall's damage reputations and cost far more in the long run.

 

[Woody]

I have not but I will be watching this thread

 

[BrokenBackJack]

I emailed Will at CSC yesterday asking what parts were going to be needed if they have to pull the gas tank on the 18+ goldwings.

Here is what he said:
Yes, the Honda recall does say to remove the gas tank but with all OEM manufactures they will tell you to do it a certain way, but until the Honda dealers have done it NO ONE will really know what is necessary to do until that time.
If in fact they will need to remove the tank the AUX tank feed hose and vent hose each have a CSC only grommet on each end.

1 ¼ on the feed $10.00 each and ¼ on the vent $3.00 each
I then asked what were the part numbers:

AFT-58374 is the large feed hose

FST-82486 is the vent.

I don’t know enough to give you a real answer. We will both have to be patient and find out once a few dealers have done this recall.

So this is all I know for now and will let y'all know more, when I hear more.

 

[RoadRunner18]

Thanks for the info John.

 

[FRR]

My dealer called me and was ready to take me early January, but I asked if I could get a Jan 20 appointment. He said yes. I want them to do a few before I take mine in. From what I understand some dealers might lose their shirt on this if Honda is only paying them for 5 1/2 hr and it takes longer. That job includes oil changes and everything involved.

 

[RoadRunner18]

Dropping my Trike off at the Dealership today (1/17/25) for the UBS Bolt recall surgery on Tuesday. I am providing my mechanic with the contact numbers for Will at CSC and My Trike installer if he has any questions. I am also giving him a cut and paste of the information provided by BrokenBackJack (Thanks again John) concerning the AUX tank feed hose and vent hose grommets, the part numbers and the cost, in the event the dealer mechanic needs to pull the Bike's gas tank. Fingers Crossed!!!!!

 

[RoadRunner18]

After dropping the Trike off at my Honda Dealership, I talked to my mechanic who has completed 9 UBS Bolt recalls, and was finishing up on the 10th. Although he did say Honda's instructions call for removing the gas tank, he has a work-around that makes removal of the gas tank unnecessary. Therefore, the AUX tank feed hose and vent hose grommets do not need replacing. He did say he would have to drop the CSC running boards to get to the back of the engine. As stated earlier, I provided him with contact numbers for Will at CSC and my installer if he had any questions or needed torque specs.

 

[Papa Zook]

After dropping the Trike off at my Honda Dealership, I talked to my mechanic who has completed 9 UBS Bolt recalls, and was finishing up on the 10th. Although he did say Honda's instructions call for removing the gas tank, he has a work-around that makes removal of the gas tank unnecessary. Therefore, the AUX tank feed hose and vent hose grommets do not need replacing. He did say he would have to drop the CSC running boards to get to the back of the engine. As stated earlier, I provided him with contact numbers for Will at CSC and my installer if he had any questions or needed torque specs.

Interesting...Is this workaround a Honda Corporate approved recall procedure? I wonder if any other Honda Dealer mechanics have knowledge of this workaround? You'd think considering how much time and labor costs could be saved, Honda would be sharing this information with its entire dealer network.

Removing the CSC aux tank's fuel transfer hose is challenging for someone who has not done it. The compression fittings are TIGHT, so not having to remove the Honda tank or the CSC tank and fittings is very good news.

 

[56Elwood]

Just had the recall done at the dealer I purchased the trike from. They had it for a couple of weeks, no biggie as I have been busy with other things and the weather hasn't been great of course. While at the dealership I had them change the air filter since I'm not going to do it myself and had some concerns about critters and so forth. Good thing I did as evidenced by the nest they found.

 

[ctdair]

Interesting...Is this workaround a Honda Corporate approved recall procedure? I wonder if any other Honda Dealer mechanics have knowlege of this workaround?You'd think considering how much time and labor costs could be saved, Honda would be sharing this information with its entire dealer network.

Removing the CSC aux tank's fuel transfer hose is challenging, the compression fittings are TIGHT, so not having to remove the tank and fittings is very good news.

Years ago I worked at a Ford dealership and warranty flat rate for a particular job was 10 hours. A work around was found that dropped the time down (don’t recall how much).
Lots of flat rate mechanics were pissed when Ford figured it out and dropped the warranty flat rate time down.
If I was still a flat rate mechanic and I found a work around I wouldn’t be spreading the news. There’s a saying that Your not paying me for the time it takes me to do the job,
Your paying me for the years of experience that enabled me to do the job efficiently.

 

[RoadRunner18]

Interesting...Is this workaround a Honda Corporate approved recall procedure? I wonder if any other Honda Dealer mechanics have knowlege of this workaround?You'd think considering how much time and labor costs could be saved, Honda would be sharing this information with its entire dealer network.

Removing the CSC aux tank's fuel transfer hose is challenging, the compression fittings are TIGHT, so not having to remove the tank and fittings is very good news.

I don't have the answers to your questions as far as Honda Corporate is concerned.

 

[hogmemberisold]

Just had the recall done at the dealer I purchased the trike from.
They had it for a couple of weeks, no biggie as I have been busy
with other things and the weather hasn't been great of course.
While at the dealership I had them change the air filter since I'm
not going to do it myself and had some concerns about critters
and so forth. Good thing I did as evidenced by the nest they found.
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I remember taking a piece of screen and molding it around the intake horns to the air filter on my 05.

Would that still be applicable to later models?

It would eliminate that happening in the future....

 

[FRR]

I took my 2019 into my dealer last week for the ubs bolt recall. While I was there he also did a repair on a recall the CSC had about an issue that CSC also had a recall about. I did authorize a new air filter, especially after I saw what mine looked like after 27,000 plus miles.

 

[Foilingfool2]

I took my 2019 into my dealer last week for the ubs bolt recall. While I was there he also did a repair on a recall the CSC had about an issue that CSC also had a recall about. I did authorize a new air filter, especially after I saw what mine looked like after 27,000 plus miles.

Noticed you are from Ohio, I am as well. I am trying to decide on a dealer to do my recall. My local dealer does not do much goldwing work, and I do not trust them to do this job, especially with the trike conversion! I have a 2021 CSC conversion with the extra gas tank, and am worried about the tank removal process with the extra tank. Do you have the extra tank as well? Are you satisfied with the work they did? Can you tell me the dealer name?

Thanks,
Tom

 

[FRR]

Sure Tom.. I live east of Cincinnati and I went to Honda of Fairfield. Great dealership with techs that know their business. I used to go to a dealer on the east side of the city, but I certainly would not recommend them. The guys at Fairfield got my job done when they said they would and even cut some of the price for the air filter I decided to replace. Where are you located in OIhio?

 

[Foilingfool2]

Thanks for the info ! I am in northeast Ohio near Mentor. However, my local dealers don't seem very "Wing focused" in the service department. I am willing to travel to use a good dealer. I am also worried about the dealers ability to deal with the CSC auxiliary fuel tank.

 

[Woody]

Carried mine to the shop yesterday, hopefully all goes well the mechanic said they had done several wings but mine was the first tirke,

 

[Papa Zook]

It sounds like the dealers aren't having any real issues with the recall fix, so thats a good thing.

 

[Papa Zook]

I don't have the answers to your questions as far as Honda Corporate is concerned.

After dropping the Trike off at my Honda Dealership, I talked to my mechanic who has completed 9 UBS Bolt recalls, and was finishing up on the 10th. Although he did say Honda's instructions call for removing the gas tank, he has a work-around that makes removal of the gas tank unnecessary. Therefore, the AUX tank feed hose and vent hose grommets do not need replacing. He did say he would have to drop the CSC running boards to get to the back of the engine. As stated earlier, I provided him with contact numbers for Will at CSC and my installer if he had any questions or needed torque specs.

I've got a feeling that workaround has been shared with most if not all Honda dealers.

 

[Ed Norton]

I had a UBS bolt changed on my 2021 CSC trike at Carolina Honda in Columbia South Carolina, 144 miles from me (one way). They were the closest dealer to me that had a certified Honda technician. My wife followed me and we dropped it off on a Wednesday and picked it up on Saturday. They changed the coolant and break fluid also.

The staff was very professional and we would highly recommend Carolina Honda.

 

[Woody]

I picked up my trike yesterday it seams everything went good and they said mine was the first trike they have done but now they have done three this week. the mechanic said he prefers doing the recall on the trike but they didn't say why.

 

[Ironhorse54]

That’s good to hear, Woody. Mine is in the shop now and they acted like it was no big deal to do a trike. They have done several of these recalls, but I don’t know if they’ve done any trikes?

 

[Papa Zook]

I was at my local Honda dealer yesterday and spent some time visiting with a tech at his lift and talked about the bolt recall procedure he was performing on the bike on his lift. (I have a pretty solid long-term relationship with this dealer, bought lots of new DCTs from them to convert, sent them lots of customers and received the same in kind). He mentioned that they had a workaround, explained the procedure and said they had done multiple bikes and a couple of trikes with no issues.

 

[Ironhorse54]

Got my trike back home today from the bolt recall. They had no problems and it ran great all the way home.

 

[Mykneesbehurtin]

Thanks for the info ! I am in northeast Ohio near Mentor. However, my local dealers don't seem very "Wing focused" in the service department. I am willing to travel to use a good dealer. I am also worried about the dealers ability to deal with the CSC auxiliary fuel tank.

My friend uses Fairfield Honda, he swears by them. He took his wing trike there to have a luggage rack with a light installed, they finished it in under the quoted time and charge him accordingly.

 

[Wing'n It]

Still waiting on the parts but I'm doing my own recall on that bolt. The service I've been getting from my Honda dealer is sub-par so I'm not sure I want them inside the engine after the fuel pump fiasco....

 

[BrokenBackJack]

I was at my local Honda dealer yesterday and spent some time visiting with a tech at his lift and talked about the bolt recall procedure he was performing on the bike on his lift. (I have a pretty solid long-term relationship with this dealer, bought lots of new DCTs from them to convert, sent them lots of customers and received the same in kind). He mentioned that they had a workaround, explained the procedure and said they had done multiple bikes and a couple of trikes with no issues.

Did they go in through the side or bottom?