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[alienwulf]

Tried this before I took it to HD..but seeing your post thought I should retry it. Took seat off hand pumped up to 50# started spraying and connection on elbow coming thru the trunk wall on the value stem Boom! Bubbles..carefully snugged fitting and bubbles stopped. Will let it sit over night and see. Thanks FuzzyWuzHe you got me back on track. Set the S&S back to factory and tuned it runs less rich and idle is right now, last thing I had was the air now I believe you fixed that. Tomorrow may be a great riding day. epper:

 

[pcombe]

I get the feeling after being out of biking last 20 years. H-D feels its a rich mans game now. So even with my bad knees I'll have to do more wrenching again. Like you back in the day..I built some fine looking choppers thru 70 and 80's. Kind of miss the old school stuff. All this throttle by wire and EPA crap, don't get me started. Why I bought an older Trike wanted Carb, cables and grease.

My kinda guy, your preaching to the choir.

 

[alienwulf]

My kinda guy, your preaching to the choir.

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I read what you went thru rebuilding your Trike, takes a man in love with his bike to save it from the junk yard. Or PC I should say Re-Cycle Industry. That beauty would of been lost if not for you.:clapping:

 

[pcombe]

I read what you went thru rebuilding your Trike, takes a man in love with his bike to save it from the junk yard. Or PC I should say Re-Cycle Industry. That beauty would of been lost if not for you.:clapping:

There are places where you can still get new obsolete parts such as V twin online but you have to go through a dealer to get them they wont sell to an individual, yes your pay gonna pay a higher price for them than their original costs but hey! You can get them.
There are some good bone yards out their too.

Like yourself I built more than one chopper in my miss spent youth in fact I started twisting wrenches on bikes when I was just a kid and old enough to understand what was going on.
My dad and uncle had a side business of motorcycle repair in the barn and good start on a boneyard out back.

A man In love with his bike is correct.
My background instilled in me a love for motorcycles that only building and repair from an early age can give a guy.

People who are in love with riding are many, people in love with motorcycles are much fewer. Maybe that's why I prefer the old school machines?

I constantly read people on this forum complaining that Harley Davidson still has a long way to go to catch up to Honda and to me Harley Davidsons efforts to do so has altered the motor company's attitude toward business, the customer and approach to building motorcycles in ways I really don't care for.
I find it very hard to be crazy about the newest technology and gadgets, to me they are just window dressings, something to wrong, expensive to maintain, prone to breakage and generally a pain the butt.

I cant figure out why people keep screaming for it? If you want to ride a computer put wheels and handlebars on your MAC fer Christ sake?

One man I respect on this forum is msocko, he has the ability to navigate between old school and new technology ( eats the stuff like candy) and has a genuine love of machines and can make em sing a pretty tune.ThumbUp

Thanks for your post Alienwulf!

paul

 

[peteg59]

As Mr. pcombe mentioned, V~Twin Manufacturing is a good source for obsolete Motor Company parts. Unfortunately most of their parts are now made in Taiwan but short of that, the needed parts just aren't out there any more unless you get lucky & find a hidden stash somewhere.
Such a shame that HD is following most of the metric manufacturers sales models in making 10 year old designs obsolete, & therefore no longer selling replacement parts.
Lucky for me the Harley dealer near me does offer vtwin mfg. sales for the "off the computer" model years.
They even offer 10% discount being a "MVP" member to boot.

 

[pcombe]

Thanks fuzzy, one correction though? The Tour- glide ultra and the road- glide are two different critters. Oddly enough I wasn't really looking for an ultra model but it would have cost me more to buy a plain Jane and set it up the way I wanted.

Harley quit making the Tour glide in 1994 wich is why I never bought another Harley over the years. I cant afford them nowadays anyway.
In 1989 I paid $12,500.00 off the show room floor and had to order it through the factory and be ready to lay out the cash immediately upon arrival or loose it and thought that was robbery! :laugh:

Well I guess I have gotten my moneys worth.

I wonder when Harley is going to trike the Road glide?

 

[msocko3]

As Mr. pcombe mentioned, V~Twin Manufacturing is a good source for obsolete Motor Company parts. Unfortunately most of their parts are now made in Taiwan but short of that, the needed parts just aren't out there any more unless you get lucky & find a hidden stash somewhere. Such a shame that HD is following most of the metric manufacturers sales models in making 10 year old designs obsolete, & therefore no longer selling replacement parts. Lucky for me the Harley dealer near me does offer vtwin mfg. sales for the "off the computer" model years. They even offer 10% discount being a "MVP" member to boot.

A good many dealers won't even touch an EVO powered machine, they only work on twin cams, its a shame they have a shop full of parts changers vs mechanics.

 

[pcombe]

A good many dealers won't even touch an EVO powered machine, they only work on twin cams, its a shame they have a shop full of parts changers vs mechanics.

its a shame they have a shop full of parts changers vs mechanics.[/QUOTE]

It's all apart of how I don't like the way the motor company has changed I guess:Shrug:

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Thanks fuzzy

 

[msocko3]

It's all apart of how I don't like the way the motor company has changed

I'm not loving the changes either, I used to think of Harley as the Cadillac of motorcycles. These days I have to rate them as a Chevy, building them more and more disposable vs rebuild-able and solid. They are a huge marketing machine, who else could take an Electraglide Classic, strip off about $1,500 worth of parts and name it a Streetglide, then sell it for more than the Classic and have folks buying the snot out of it. They sell the living hell out of tee shirts and other wearable items, I'll bet that and the service/parts department are the leading profit makers at a dealer.

 

[GARYD]

I'm not loving the changes either, I used to think of Harley as the Cadillac of motorcycles. These days I have to rate them as a Chevy, building them more and more disposable vs rebuild-able and solid. They are a huge marketing machine, who else could take an Electraglide Classic, strip off about $1,500 worth of parts and name it a Streetglide, then sell it for more than the Classic and have folks buying the snot out of it. They sell the living hell out of tee shirts and other wearable items, I'll bet that and the service/parts department are the leading profit makers at a dealer.

You got that right. Just like going to a movie theater. The ticket is cheap, but wow! the prices on popcorn and a drink. That's where the theaters make their money.

 

[pcombe]

I'm not loving the changes either, I used to think of Harley as the Cadillac of motorcycles. These days I have to rate them as a Chevy, building them more and more disposable vs rebuild-able and solid. They are a huge marketing machine, who else could take an Electraglide Classic, strip off about $1,500 worth of parts and name it a Streetglide, then sell it for more than the Classic and have folks buying the snot out of it. They sell the living hell out of tee shirts and other wearable items, I'll bet that and the service/parts department are the leading profit makers at a dealer.

You know I think I would be hard pressed to come with a Harley T shirt maybe there is one buried in the bottom of a drawer a relative gave as a gift? I just don't wear a Tee shirts unless under a flannel shirt in the winter. I still got old Sturgis shirts.

Man, I just gotta be totally baffled before I will take a bike to the dealer. Most things can be figured out with a motor manual and a few simple diagnostic tools.
I don't own a code reader but my friends 2011 tri glide will tell me what's going on if you know how to access the computer info off the dash.

Msocko sent me to a site when I was working on his tri-glide where it gave me meanings of codes, normally you would need a separate electrical motor manual supplement to get them. I will include them in a separate post for you to encourage saving yourself @120.00 per hr.

There are a hell of allot of repairs that are nothing more than common sense.ThumbUp

 

[pcombe]

Harley Trouble Codes

Harley Trouble Codes
The following procedure will instruct in retrieving　and clearing　ECM Diagnostic　Trouble Codes　and　TSM/TSSM　codes thru the Harley guage cluster as well as a list of codes.　

1- Turn　Ignition switch　to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.　

2- Push　odometer reset　button in & hold.　

3- Turn　ignition switch　to Ignition and release the odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word “diag” should then appear.　

4 - Push the　odometer reset　button once and you will see　the selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.　

5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the　odometer reset　button one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)　
P = ECM/ICM　(Electronic Control Module)　[EFI] /　Ignition Control Module　[Carbureted])　
S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Security Module)　
SP =　speedometer　
T = tachometer　

6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the　odometer reset　button in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC’s the code will be displayed or the word “none” will appear if there are no DTC’s. Push the　odometer reset　button again to view additional codes if they exist.　

7 - Record the codes.　

8 - If DTC’s are not to be cleared, Press and release the　odometer reset　button. Part number of module will be displayed.　
NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the　odometer reset　button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the　odometer reset　button. Turn OFF the　ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC’s again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.　

9 – Press and release the　odometer reset　button to continue to the next module.　

10 – Turn　Ignition switch　to OFF.　

On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

"No Rsp" (no response) will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

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HFSM = Hands Free Security Module
TSM =　Turn signal　module　

Priority/DTC/Fault condition
1. P0605 ECM FLASH Memory Error　
2. P0603 ECM EEPROM Memory Error　
3. U1300 ECM Serial Data Low　
4. U1301 ECM Serial Data High　
5. U1097 Loss of　Speedometer　Serial Data to ECM
6. U1064 Loss of TSM/FSFM Serial Data to ECM　
7. P1003 System relay contacts open
8. P1002 System Relay Coil High/Shorted　
9. P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low　
10. P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed　
11. P1009 Incorrect Password　
12. P1010 Missing Password　
13. P06415 V+Vref 1 Out Of　Range　
14. P06515 V+Vref 2 Out Of　Range　
15. P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent　
16. P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low　
17. P0108 Map Sensor High　
18. P0374 CKP Sensor Synch Error
19. P1511 Throttle actuator control power management failure of throttle control actuator　
20. P1600 EFI Module Processor Internal Error　
21. P1270 TGS Validation Error　
22. P2107 EFI Module Processor Internal Fault
23. P2101 throttle actuator control motor circuit range/performace error　
24. P2122 TGS1 Low/Open　
25. P2123 TGS1 High　
26. P2127 TGS2 Low/Open　
27. P2128 TGS2 High　
28. P2138 TGS Correlation Error (Twist grip sensor)
29. P0120 TPS1　Range　Error　
30. P0220 TPS2　Range　Error　
31. P0122 TPS1 Low　
32. P0123 TPS2 High/Open　
33. P0222 TPS2 Low　
34. P0223 TPS2 High/Open　
35. P2135 TPS Correlation Error　
36. P2119 EFI Motor Throttle Body　Range　Performance　
37. P2100 EFI Motor Circuit Open　
38. P2101 EFI Motor Circuit　Range　Performance (Actuation Error)　
39. P2102 EFI Motor Circuit Low　
40. P2103 EFI Motor Circuit High　
41. P2176 EFI Closed Position Not Learned　
42. P1514 Air Flow Fault
43. P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown
44. P1501 Jiffy Stand Sensor Low
45. P1502 Jiffy Stand Sensor High
46. P0572 Brake Switch Low
47. P0117 ET Sensor Low
48. P0118 ET Sensor High
49. P0112I AT Voltage Low
50. P0113I AT Voltage Open/High
51. P1351 Front Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low
52. P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low
53. P1352 Front Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted
54. P1355 Rear Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted
55. P1357 Front Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
56. P1358 Rear Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
57. P0261 Front Injector Open/Low
58. P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low
59. P0262 Front Injector High
60. P0264 Rear Injector High
61. P0562 Battery Voltage Low
62. P0563 Battery Voltage High
63. P0501 VSS Sensor Low
64. P0502 VSS Sensor High/Open..
65. P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion
66. P1353 Front Cylnder No Combustion
67. P0444 Purge Solenoid Open/Low
68. P0445 Purge Solenoid High
69. P1475 Exhaust Actuation Position Error
70. P1477 Exhaust Actuator Open/Low
71. P1478 Exhaust Actuator Shorted/High
72. P0131 Front Oxygen Sensor Low
73. P0151 Rear Oxygen Sensor Low
74. P0132 Front Oxygen Sensor High
75. P0152 Rear Oxygen Sensor High
76. P0134 Front Oxygen Sensor Inactive
77. P0154 Rear Oxygen Sensor Inactive.
78. P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode
79. P1511 EFI Power Management Mode
80. P1512 EFI Forced Idle Mode
81. P0577 Cruise Control Input High

Priority/DTC/Fault condition


HFSM = Hands Free Security Module
TSM =　Turn signal　module

1. U1300 Serial Data Low　
2. U1301 Serial Data High　
3. U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data　
4. U1255 Serial Data Error　
5. B1142 Smart　
Security System　Internal Fault
6. B1135 Accelerometer Failed　
7. B1136(HFSM) Accelerometer Tip Test Error
8. B1151 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) Short to Ground　
9. B1152 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) Short to Battery　
10. B1153 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) High　
11. B1154 Clutch Switch Input Short to Ground　
12. B1155 Neutral Switch Input Short to Battery　
13. B1134 Starter Output High　
14. B1121(TSM) Left Turn Output Fault　
B1121(HFSM) Left Turn Output Open　
15. B1122(TSM) Right Turn Output Fault　
B1122(HFSM) Right Turn Output Open　
16. B1123(HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Ground　
17. B1124(HFSM) Right Turn Output Short to Ground　
18. B1125(HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery　
19. B1126(HFSM) Right Turn Output Short to Battery　
20. B1143(HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Ground　
21. B1144(HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Battery　
22. B1145(HFSM) Security Antenna Open　
23. B0563 Battery Voltage High.　
24. B1131(HFSM) Alarm Output Low　
25. B1132(HFSM) Alarm Output High　
26. B1141(TSM)　Ignition Switch　Low/Open
B1141(HFSM)　Ignition Switch　Low/Open

Give it a try it's not rocket science just electric foolishness you either got hfsm or tsm system if you don't have an alarm or anti lock brakes you have a tsm. system. The TSM (turn signal module)
Sitting on the bike its under the right hand cover is sort of a long L shape and plugs in to your system and locks in place and can screw with allot of things. Replacement cost? Just a $150.00. Don't ya just love electronics?

 

[peteg59]

Good info pcombe. Hopefully someone with a newer HD will save himself/herself some $$ by self diagnosing their issue, without having to visit the stealer.ThumbUp
It is the way it is now with electronically controlled Harley's, but I darn sure don't have to like em!
Color me Old School...

 

[alienwulf]

Wow just got back and see all the great info here now. Been busy riding with a big grin, spent a couple days going thru everything. Got the service manual every thing checks out fine so been riding a lot. Wife agrees " It's good to be back"..lol

 

[Rollin Thunder]

Talking about co$t for fixing a D Trike. My ridin buddy has a 2014 HD Tri Glide got hit in the back I guess you can say quarter panel next to the trunk door. Women admitted it was her fault and everything. TOTAL co$t from ARROWHEAD HARLEY- DAVIDSON. $ 4980.00 Whole New body and trunk door with labor. Fenders were good as the rest of the trike. I KNOW a body shop would have been a WHOLE lot cheaper. But that what they wanted to do was let the dealer take care of it. No cost to them and only 3 days from dropping it off to pick up.

 

[alienwulf]

As stated earlier if it says H-D it's big dollars now. Even the small stuff like oil or plugs with the logo it's a lot more. I got a oil pressure gauge and oil temp coming tomorrow aftermarket still a lot but cheaper. I am just shopping looking for deals. Found a new old stock windshield trim 36 bucks on ebay a new old stock H-D grips I have been wanting for 20.00 dealer war 89.00 there are deals out there if you look hard. :clapping:

 

[Rollin Thunder]

I don't mind shopping for deals. Harley can kill your wallet now days. Windscreens from Harley $150.00 on line from another Co I saw for $ 72.00 shipped. :xzqxz:. Do you know much that is in BEER money ?