Tire balancing

[durango9]

Would like to get some opinions and performance evaluations on 2 tire balancing products that you may have used or currently using.

1) Ride-on balancing and sealant gel
2) Dyna Beads loose glass beads

Thanks for your feedback

 

[OLD DAWG]

Balance Beads

I have only used the Dyna-Beads for balancing.
They seem to do as advertised, I used them on the front and rear on my 2005 Wing with even tire wear and no cupping. Note: Rear tire was a car tire==:AGGHH:
Would use them again when changing tires.ThumbUp

Just My Opinion--- Others will vary I'm sure.

 

[Gold Rush]

I have nearly 200,000 miles on GL1800s with 90% of that using Dyna Beads as a secondary balancing method. I have always had my tires spin balanced then added an ounce of Dyna Beads to the front tire and two ounces to a rear tire. I use the same method on two or three wheels.....

I have never ever had a single performance or ware issue in all those miles.

Several riders have used the Ride On product but I have no experience there so hopefully someone will jump in on their views. :xszpv::xszpv:

 

[mhgoldwing]

2) Dyna Beads loose glass beads - - http://www.innovativebalancing.com/

Dyna Beads are ceramic - not glass. I have had Dyna Beads in three different bikes and no problems or vibrations.

I now have Centramatics on my front wheel and Dyna Beads in rear tires. I chose the Centramatics for the front because of the frequency I wear tires out I didn't want to keep messing with the beads.

 

[tfdeputydawg]

RideOn!!!!! Not only does it balance, it also provides puncture protection. Have used it for years and love it!!!!!epper:ThumbUp:clapping:

 

[JaysGone]

I have used both.
Unfortunately Im not the original owner of my current trike and have no clue what is or isnt being used.
I see no weights on the front M Pilot and the rears do have lead weights on the inside of the rims.
I prefer to use Ride-On as it balances plus has stopped small punctures on my rear bike tires in the past.
I do however have 8-4oz bags of beads waiting to be used. If I keep the trike long enough to need tires??????

 

[durango9]

Thanks for all the input to date as its what I \was looking for. Ride on seems to have a dual purpose as a sealant and balancer. The beads seem to be easy to install and then re-use in a new tire. I'm wondering if the Ride-On freezes what effect it has on the gel.

 

[tfdeputydawg]

Excellent question!! Have never known it to freeze in my many years of using it. Have rode in temps down to 9F. Have had bottles of it stored in unheated shed and never noticed any freezing.
But then, was never looking for the product to be frozen :Shrug:

 

[JaysGone]

Living here in Florida. Ive never seen frozen Ride-On. I do wonder however how long its actual usable tire life is?? Im not one to replace a tire because its past its expiration date of 7 years.
Somehow I cant see Ride-On being pliable that long after its installed.:Shrug:

I do also have some of a product no longer made called Tire Goop. Its like Slime but was supposed to be better.
After 5 years in one tire it was still very liquid and dirty as hell to remove from the rim. Ive never looked at a tire with Ride-On in it after its been removed as I haven't worn out a CT on my other bikes yet.

 

[irmagoo]

dyna beadsThumbUp
use them in all tires just bought 2 new 275/80/22.5 front tires for my rv 12 oz. in each!!!
have been using dyna beads for last 10-12 years have had no complaints I can usually reuse beads that's a plus,,,,
on my trike that I'm building I've had tire off twice and still have 4oz. !! aaa well I think so anyway
magoo

 

[bikerbillone]

Replaced front tire with BT45 (rear), now has 21,600+ miles with 4/32 of tread remaining, 9/32 when new, no cupping, no irregular wear. Ride on installed when new. Some do not like Ride On, but it works for me. Some good information at the web site. There's a formula of about how many miles left on the tire using the remaining tread measure, but can't say I want to look it up now.

 

[Solidbob]

Here is the link to the MSDS Safety Sheet with all the details: http://www.ride-on.com/images/stories/pdf/MSDS_4-08-02.pdf

 

[bikerbillone]

Yikes, that's some wicked reading.

 

[Konrad]

RideOn!!!!! Not only does it balance, it also provides puncture protection. Have used it for years and love it!!!!!epper:ThumbUp:clapping:

I'm with the Dawg on this one! Have used it for three happy and trouble-free years.

 

[SMSgt]

I use dyna beads in Trike front and both back. I used the same in in RSV. I've driven them both from coast to coast and didn't notice anything that would indicate that things weren't perfect.
I don't like the liquid type of balancers. They make such a mess when it comes time to R&R the tires.
They are both good and I would recommend either, so just choose what you want and enjoy the ride.

 

[FlashGordon]

Dyna Beads, use them on ALL of my vehicles and trailers epper:epper:epper:

 

[JaysGone]

Does anyone know how long Ride-On lasts??
My Yamaha is getting to the point where the tires are near their expiration date of 7 years.
How long does this last in the proper form in the tire since its semisolid, not liquid.
Doesn't say anything on their site about how long or if one can/should recharge it.
Just curious thanks.

 

[1dn5up]

Does anyone know how long Ride-On lasts??
My Yamaha is getting to the point where the tires are near their expiration date of 7 years.
How long does this last in the proper form in the tire since its semisolid, not liquid.
Doesn't say anything on their site about how long or if one can/should recharge it.
Just curious thanks.

They recomend instaling a new batch at every tire change and Not to reuse it. No expiration date while in use.

 

[Shimpy]

I have to wonder what NASCAR or other racing organizations use to balance a tire which will be going way faster than we will. I would think that what they use would be tested to be the best of the best.

 

[JaysGone]

I have to wonder what NASCAR or other racing organizations use to balance a tire which will be going way faster than we will. I would think that what they use would be tested to be the best of the best.

EDIT: !!!!!Forget what I have written unless you might want to know how it used to be done.
Just found this from 2010. Interesting read to me anyway.
http://www.thecablevine.com/forum/f19/mounting-tires-track-nascar-2707/index2.html
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California has recently outlawed the use of lead weights on all new tire purchases for California race tracks for 2010 and beyond. NASCAR wanted to know if the new steel wheel weights would hold up on a 200 mph race car. The 2010 Daytona 500 was on the steel wheel weights as a test and the Spring Fontana California 500 had to be balanced with the steel weights. Teams have always marked the location and size of wheel weights on the tires next to the bead to monitor missing weights during practice, qualifying and racing. The wheels were inspected by Goodyear after each race for missing steel wheel weights. NO steel weights came off while on these tracks. Not one!

The lead weights have been notorious for not staying on wheels on a 200 mph race car. Back in 2008, a lead weight on the inside of the RF wheel came off on the #48 car and was found stuck in the radiator! Jimmy was leading the race at the time and had a good chance to win it. Man, was Jimmy's crew chief pissed!

Due to the style of the retaining clips holding the weight, the steel weights are a little bit tougher to hammer on the wheels than lead weights. But, the steel weights do not fall off! Crew chiefs love the switch to steel weights.

25 years ago
Lead weight.
Its taped on the inside of the rim. It comes on a roll. About 3 inches wide. With a heat resistant adhesive backing of some sort. Im sure its similar to what they use to fix the cars during the races.
Bear Bond http://www.racingplus.com/heavy-duty-tapes/racing-plus/bear-bond-tape/1508p12454.
Its the stickiest tape Ive ever seen. The team tire techs would go to the Goodyear truck with a stack of rims. After the tire was mounted. Then off to the balancing area next to the truck. Set the tire just as any normal tire is done today. Much larger machine though. Find the sweet spot.
Cut off a nice chunk of the flat lead. Bend a slight curve in it and tape it to the inside of the rim with just plain gray duct tape. Back on the machine. Then the GoodYear tech would trim it with a wire cutter, if too much weigh. Recheck. Peel off the backing. Slap it in place. A few taps with a rubber mallet and off you go. Same deal in Nascar and Indy racing from what Ive seen.
Might be different today. I really don't know. With all the heat the brakes make now. But I doubt it. No different in any other series Ive been to back then at least. Indy car tires were done the same way. Some stuff in use in Nascar today is still the same as it was from day one. If simple works why change it?? I haven't been to a race in the pits for about 20 years. They don't allow guests to stay in the pits during the race now. Safeties sake these days.
As an aside my brothers college roommate works for Penske Racing. He was the team manager for Penske Racing for years. Now David runs a few of Penske's car dealerships in LA. So Ive been in the pits for a lot of different types of racing over the years. At a Pocono race one year. David handed me a locked attaché case and said don't let it out of sight or hands. Then he took off with my brother and Mr Penske's wife by helicopter to go shopping in Philly for a few hours during a rain delay while the track was being dried.
Turns out it had 100 grand in cash in it. To pay the hotel bills and odds and ends for the Indy team at Pocono. Must be nice to be almost a billionaire. They do live a bit differently then you and I do.
I should have taken it and runnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

 

[Ray55]

Nascar tires are balanced the same as your tires for your car or truck is. Put on a spin balancer, spun up and lead weights are mounted to the wheels. There were instances this past year where the pit crew were not putting the minimum recommended air pressure in the tires and the tires were spinning on the wheels and either throwing the weights off or the wheel/tire being out of balance.

 

[Baldy_54]

I like dyna beads. The only problem I see with them, is how do you gather up those little rascals when you go to change tires. I know they are reusable. Maybe a vacuum?

 

[irmagoo]

I like dyna beads. The only problem I see with them, is how do you gather up those little rascals when you go to change tires. I know they are reusable. Maybe a vacuum?

hi baldy
I used tire machine to remove my tire and remount it and lost no beads either time! had to be carful when turning tire vertical to set it in the corner while I took wheel home and reworked it to become a dual disc. front wheel for my trike build,, I was surprised how easy it was.. hey I was so sure that I would spill them I had already bought more beads!! you can scoop the little devils into small plastic zip lock bag while they are in tire no problem...
magoo

 

[schiel1]

I have 17" low profile tires on my CSC conversion. I thought of putting them in the rear. Has anyone done this with Low profile tires?
On the Dyna-Bead web site it states that due to the characteristics of Low profile tires that at times the weight from side to side may be different. they are not recommended but you can use some along with the weights as a supplement.
Below is the web site statement.*


Why don't you have tire charts for cars, SUV's or minivans?

A: We don't market to cars, SUV's or minivans due to the overall style of those tires, which usually have a low aspect ratio. We classify tires with a low aspect ratio "low-profile". Low profile tires often need lateral balance correction that can only be rectified with the use of standard wheel weights applied to both the inside and outside rim.*
So that means that while Dyna Beads should not be used as the sole balancing method for these tire types, you can use Dyna Beads as a "Maintenance Amount". Using a combination of weights and Dyna Beads results in higher tire mileage and a reduction, or elimination, of future rebalancing requiements.

 

[Solidbob]

Low profile tires really suck on a trike for a few reasons.... 1. Makes them almost none adjustable for air pressure as your already running on the rim as it is.... 2. They sling weights easily for the same reason....do not flex and ride hard. 3. Make them very easy to bend a rim running to low a pressure to get a softer ride.... Just for those reasons I think they are a waste of money on a trike as you'll find your self changing them to get a better ride with less body roll...... Common sense..... Always use what the manufacturer recommends for tires and wheels.... they now what matches dimension wise to keep your speed regulated correctly. FYI...

 

[Gold Rush]

I have 17" low profile tires on my CSC conversion. I thought of putting them in the rear. Has anyone done this with Low profile tires?
On the Dyna-Bead web site it states that due to the characteristics of Low profile tires that at times the weight from side to side may be different. they are not recommended but you can use some along with the weights as a supplement.
Below is the web site statement.*


Why don't you have tire charts for cars, SUV's or minivans?

A: We don't market to cars, SUV's or minivans due to the overall style of those tires, which usually have a low aspect ratio. We classify tires with a low aspect ratio "low-profile". Low profile tires often need lateral balance correction that can only be rectified with the use of standard wheel weights applied to both the inside and outside rim.*
So that means that while Dyna Beads should not be used as the sole balancing method for these tire types, you can use Dyna Beads as a "Maintenance Amount". Using a combination of weights and Dyna Beads results in higher tire mileage and a reduction, or elimination, of future rebalancing requiements.

If you flip back up to post #3 of this thread you will see this is exactly what I do for the exact reason. Years ago I read the information about Dyna Beads and they stated that any tire with an aspect ratio of 65 or greater will suffer from Lateral Imbalance. The greater the aspect ratio the greater the issue. I have had my rear tires "Roadforce" balanced then add a couple ounces of Dyna Beads. The result has always been great wear and smooth riding. :xszpv::xszpv: