Orlando massacre

[peteg59]

First & foremost, we all feel badly for the survivors & families of the victims of the terrible tragedy that occurred early this AM in Orlando FL. Condolences to them all.

Any bets on how long will it be before the gun grabbers re launch another "Assault" weapons ban campaign?
I say tomorrow, if they have not already spoken today...

 

[consitter]

It'll start in 3....2....1

 

[Catfish]

I'm not so sure it would benefit them in this particular election cycle, but Obama has already made comment on additional control. Time will tell I suppose how aggressive they will become with so many victims.

 

[Big Dog]

Ok, I don't own one and never will, but I have no problem with anyone else owning one. But why must the gun lovers all insist on having "assault type long guns"? Can't you hunt with a regular old rifle, or protect yourself with a hand gun?
I'm not picking a fight, just not understanding the need for automatic, big clip, rapid fire to shoot at Bambi, paper or steel targets.

 

[FleshWound]

they have their uses.

Ok, I don't own one and never will, but I have no problem with anyone else owning one. But why must the gun lovers all insist on having "assault type long guns"? Can't you hunt with a regular old rifle, or protect yourself with a hand gun?
I'm not picking a fight, just not understanding the need for automatic, big clip, rapid fire to shoot at Bambi, paper or steel targets.

A friend of mine lived w-a-a-a-ay out in the country. Police response time was 20-30 minutes. Late one night, a truck with three men came up his driveway (about 1/4 mile from the highway). His dogs alerted him, he put his wife and two children in a bedroom, and picked up an SKS (semi-auto rifle used by the VC in Vietnam). He'd installed a 20 round magazine and let off ten rounds in quick succession. The truck hit a tree trying to get away and the men were arrested two towns over. Escapees from a county jail: one a murderer, another armed robbery, and the third sexual assault.

 

[Motorcycle Mike]

A friend of mine lived w-a-a-a-ay out in the country. Police response time was 20-30 minutes. Late one night, a truck with three men came up his driveway (about 1/4 mile from the highway). His dogs alerted him, he put his wife and two children in a bedroom, and picked up an SKS (semi-auto rifle used by the VC in Vietnam). He'd installed a 20 round magazine and let off ten rounds in quick succession. The truck hit a tree trying to get away and the men were arrested two towns over. Escapees from a county jail: one a murderer, another armed robbery, and the third sexual assault.

Game, set, match!

 

[peteg59]

Ok, I don't own one and never will, but I have no problem with anyone else owning one. But why must the gun lovers all insist on having "assault type long guns"? Can't you hunt with a regular old rifle, or protect yourself with a hand gun?
I'm not picking a fight, just not understanding the need for automatic, big clip, rapid fire to shoot at Bambi, paper or steel targets.

Thanks for your understanding Big Dog.
There are some of us, (me included), that like the big & plentiful bangs that come from a 30 round magazine.
Don't know why, but it always brings great enjoyment to touch off a 30 rounder down range

 

[Blueline]

People coming home from the military, seemed to always like the gun they trained with. The"03 Springfield. M1 Garand and Carbine.' M-16. 1911 .45.
This has always carried over to the populace at large. And.......it's fun!

 

[ol' school]

A friend of mine lived w-a-a-a-ay out in the country. Police response time was 20-30 minutes. Late one night, a truck with three men came up his driveway (about 1/4 mile from the highway). His dogs alerted him, he put his wife and two children in a bedroom, and picked up an SKS (semi-auto rifle used by the VC in Vietnam). He'd installed a 20 round magazine and let off ten rounds in quick succession. The truck hit a tree trying to get away and the men were arrested two towns over. Escapees from a county jail: one a murderer, another armed robbery, and the third sexual assault.

That is the way it work at my place too. Police are 20 to 30 minutes away except for the retired officer who is my neighbor. Always have a few loaded weapons that myself and my wife are proficent in the use of at the ready. And neighbors look out for each others properties.

 

[Larry Sobczak]

Can anyone explain why our government wants to control guns in this country and at the same time give them to almost any rebel group in other countries ?

 

[Blueline]

Excellent question

 

[Marc H]

Just my opinion here but this is what happens when you promote and give rights to a group of people and then bring in as many people that have been raised to look at the first group as those that should be killed.Call it stupid gov or planned but that's what ya get.

 

[peteg59]

The tragedy that happened is real, & those that lost loved ones will likely never fully recover.
Most of us understand this emotion.

Unfortunately, the national media outlets continuation of coverage of the tragic event make the grieving process take longer by re~hashing the events continuously over & over each day.
As a result, it will likely spawn another "copycat" who's lurking out there waiting for his 15 minutes, or days, of fame by committing a similar attack.
Lets put it to rest already, so those that lost their lives can now rest in peace...

 

[Rod69]

According to several different stories, this killer, Islamic Jihadist was under investigation by several different agencies. It was reported it went out the window when Hillary deleted some of the emails? Don't know if it is true.
The Dems interrupted a moment of silence for those killed in Orlando in the house shouting wheres the bills. Where are the gun control Bills. House Speaker Paul Ryan told them they were out of order and to move on. Some of them walked out in Protest, Nancy Pelosi said she wasn't going stand for any more moments of SILENCE. First thing mentioned was gun control.

 

[Sully]

 

[Blueline]

 

[peteg59]

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:Agree: IF only 1 person in that nite-club had been "carrying" a weapon, besides the gunman, perhaps less would have died.

 

[ol' school]

:Agree: IF only 1 person in that nite-club had been "carrying" a weapon, besides the gunman, perhaps less would have died.

+1

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That is the absolute truth!

 

[Sully]

 

[Bohica66]

Can anyone explain why our government wants to control guns in this country and at the same time give them to almost any rebel group in other countries ?

Gun confiscation worked very well for Hitler, an unarmed populace are much easier to control.

 

[ol' school]

Gun confiscation worked very well for Hitler, an unarmed populace are much easier to control.

EXACTLY! And that is why I am a lifelong pro gun NRA member.

 

[txlander]

:Agree: IF only 1 person in that nite-club had been "carrying" a weapon, besides the gunman, perhaps less would have died.

Bill Clinton's response:

Having more gun-wielding Americans wouldn’t have prevented the massacre in Orlando, Florida, former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday. Every American needs to be on high alert, the former president said, and “can’t ignore someone who may be ranting and raving.” But he argued against speculation that had people inside the nightclub been armed, the carnage could have been reduced.

“Did you see how dark it was?” he asked. “I think it’s likely that more people would have been killed had there been more guns on the scene."

Yeah, right.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bill-clinton-orlando-guns-224318#ixzz4BgqcOSeP







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[ol' school]

Bill Clinton's response:

Having more gun-wielding Americans wouldn’t have prevented the massacre in Orlando, Florida, former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday. Every American needs to be on high alert, the former president said, and “can’t ignore someone who may be ranting and raving.” But he argued against speculation that had people inside the nightclub been armed, the carnage could have been reduced.

“Did you see how dark it was?” he asked. “I think it’s likely that more people would have been killed had there been more guns on the scene."

Yeah, right.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bill-clinton-orlando-guns-224318#ixzz4BgqcOSeP







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Spoken like the anti-gun Democrat he and his other half are... Remember the Brady Bill.

 

[Retired Army]

Clyde Barrow walked right through some of the best gun control available and walked away with a Browning Automatic Riffle.

 

[Sully]

 

[Future Triker]

Ok, I don't own one and never will, but I have no problem with anyone else owning one. But why must the gun lovers all insist on having "assault type long guns"? Can't you hunt with a regular old rifle, or protect yourself with a hand gun?

I'm not picking a fight, just not understanding the need for automatic, big clip, rapid fire to shoot at Bambi, paper or steel targets.

No harm in your point of view, and thank you for not "bashing" those who have them. A few have given examples as to why (and there are countless reasons why). I'm gonna go a different route. If you enjoy research, look at QUALITY ballistic tests of the standard AR round (5.56/223 55grain) in comparison to a 9mm, .40, .45 pistol hollowpoint and to a standard 30/30 soft point hunting round (basic old school hunting rifle).

You will find that all calibers and rounds listed EXCEPT the AR round will do catastrophic damage per round in comparison to the 5.56/223 by a large margin. The wound channel is far larger, and the tissue damage is worse also. You may not realize this, but the lead (the part that hits tissue) is not much larger that the .22 rifle most learn to shoot with, but with a lot more powder behind it.

There are many combat veterans out there who consider the AR platform a "worthless" "battle rifle" due to the small projectile, and often minimal damage it does.

There are several videos out there who show (for example) someone who was shot in the calf with an AR (with 55 grain) and a bandaide is all that was needed to seal the wound because it doesn't expand when it hits tissue and doesn't necessarily go into a "tumble" when it hits bone/etc.

In regards to round count and capacity, I will toss this out there.. the average uniformed officer in an active shooter or high stress environment that requires use of force has on average a 20% accuracy rate which for those mathematically challenged like myself means for every 10 rounds fired, you hit your target twice (& that doesn't mean you hit them critically, just means you hit). Imagine the accuracy of your average home owner responding to someone, or multiple parties with little to no training when induced to the high stress levels and the adrenaline rush that is created in those moments.

I'm not making an argument for high capacity necessarily, but the factors that come into play beyond what's simply in front of us.

 

[rhino 2]

There are many combat veterans out there who consider the AR platform a "worthless" "battle rifle" due to the small projectile, and often minimal damage it does. There are several videos out there who show (for example) someone who was shot in the calf with an AR (with 55 grain) and a bandaide is all that was needed to seal the wound because it doesn't expand when it hits tissue and doesn't necessarily go into a "tumble" when it hits bone/etc.

The 556/223 is a FMJ... And made for penetration, Not Tissue Damage... But minimal damage not what i've seen..... A combat round with a lead tip, Is outlawed by the Geneva Convention... And any combatant captured with them can be shot on the spot.. Hollow point/lead tip bullets will rip flesh/bones apart....Like hunting rounds do to deer...

Nam 66/67.....

 

[clint44]

Ok, I don't own one and never will, but I have no problem with anyone else owning one. But why must the gun lovers all insist on having "assault type long guns"? Can't you hunt with a regular old rifle, or protect yourself with a hand gun?

I'm not picking a fight, just not understanding the need for automatic, big clip, rapid fire to shoot at Bambi, paper or steel targets.

"Assault Rifle" is just a term used by anti-gun people to demonize that class of firearms. The Orlando terrorist was carrying a Sig Sauer MCX,a 5.56/.223 cal sporting rifle,not an AR-15. It does not have full-auto capability,contrary to what some in politics and the media would have you believe.(though it's obvious why they continue to lie about this) It fires one round for each trigger pull and its rate of fire is really no faster than any other semi-auto rifle or pistol. To those people that demonize it,it just looks "mean" to them and should be banned.(makes sense,right) Your average deer rifle in 270,7mm Mag,or 30-06 is much more powerful. 5.56/.223cal sporting rifles are very popular in this country,so much so that they are probably the most prolific rifle sold. Why? They are lightweight,have very little recoil depending on caliber,are available in many,many calibers,and 5.56/223 ammunition is widely available. These rifles are fast becoming the preferred hunting weapon because of their versatility and modularity,plus the reasons I mentioned above.

Why is everything about "need"? It's called the Bill of Rights,not Bill of Needs.

The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.

FWIW,the Virginia Tech lunatic killed 32 and wounded 17 in less than ten minutes. His only weapon was a semi-auto 9mm pistol with a backpack full of 10rd magazines. The terrorist in Orlando killed 50 people and wounded 53,over a period of three hours! Both shooting sites were Gun-Free zones aka Killing Fields.

 

[ol' school]

"Assault Rifle" is just a term used by anti-gun people to demonize that class of firearms. The Orlando terrorist was carrying a Sig Sauer MCX,a 5.56/.223 cal sporting rifle,not an AR-15. It does not have full-auto capability,contrary to what some in politics and the media would have you believe.(though it's obvious why they continue to lie about this) It fires one round for each trigger pull and its rate of fire is really no faster than any other semi-auto rifle or pistol. To those people that demonize it,it just looks "mean" to them and should be banned.(makes sense,right) Your average deer rifle in 270,7mm Mag,or 30-06 is much more powerful. 5.56/.223cal sporting rifles are very popular in this country,so much so that they are probably the most prolific rifle sold. Why? They are lightweight,have very little recoil depending on caliber,are available in many,many calibers,and 5.56/223 ammunition is widely available. These rifles are fast becoming the preferred hunting weapon because of their versatility and modularity,plus the reasons I mentioned above.

Why is everything about "need"? It's called the Bill of Rights,not Bill of Needs. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.

FWIW,the Virginia Tech lunatic killed 32 and wounded 17 in less than ten minutes. His only weapon was a semi-auto 9mm pistol with a backpack full of 10rd magazines.

The terrorist in Orlando killed 50 people and wounded 53,over a period of three hours! Both shooting sites were Gun-Free zones aka Killing Fields.

+1... Preach it brother!

 

[emskee]

FWIW,the Virginia Tech lunatic killed 32 and wounded 17 in less than ten minutes. His only weapon was a semi-auto 9mm pistol with a backpack full of 10rd magazines. The terrorist in Orlando killed 50 people and wounded 53,over a period of three hours! Both shooting sites were Gun-Free zones aka Killing Fields.

Anyone remember the Happyland Social Club Fire, New York City, 1990?

87 people dead in a few minutes. Arson committed by the angry boyfriend of a club employee who had been earlier asked to leave the establishment.

No firearm. Just a plastic container full of gasoline.

Maybe it is people after all and not the implements that they bear.