Harley Davidson has a New Gear Oil. (short video)

[MDO]

John Maxwell, my favorite HD Tech, has a video on the new gear oil HD has out, and a few tips on changing your oil. Just for you, Jack.

 

[Jack Klarich]

HMMMMMM, guess HD finally has seen the light

 

[Fearless]

John Maxwell, my favorite HD Tech, has a video on the new gear oil HD has out, and a few tips on changing your oil. Just for you, Jack.

Interesting to say the least good job. Travel safe Fred

 

[MDO]

HMMMMMM, guess HD finally has seen the light

I agree, but I went to the HD website & at $19.99 a quart, they can keep it. I fully expected it to be priced with Syn.3.

My dealer sell Redline for that price. I have 2 quarts of Formula + to use, but I have been very happy with my Lucas. I like to experiment. I'm with John, having something in there is half the battle.

I knew you would be happy with an oil thread Jack.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I agree, but I went to the HD website & at $19.99 a quart, they can keep it. I fully expected it to be priced with Syn.3.

My dealer sell Redline for that price. I have 2 quarts of Formula + to use, but I have been very happy with my Lucas. I like to experiment. I'm with John, having something in there is half the battle.

I knew you would be happy with an oil thread Jack.

This makes me wonder if Harley is looking for an easy way out of the oil migration problem?

I live for oil related threads

 

[MDO]

Fuzzy, he loves it when I start them & he constantly ask me to.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Fuzzy, he loves it when I start them & he constantly ask me to.

I wonder why the bottle of this gear lube says for primaries?

 

[1dn5up]

Jap bikes share the motor oil with the trans. Older British cars use motor oil in the transmission, my 91 FLH uses gear oil with a gear supplement in the trans , the man is right , GEARS need GEAR OIL . Good old stinky gear oil

 

[MDO]

I wonder why the bottle of this gear lube says for primaries?

It's for both, just like Formula +.

 

[Jack Klarich]

It's for both, just like Formula +.

Interesting change from the Formula plus I dunno about a heavier lube like this for a wet clutch HMMMMMMMMM

Seems to me this was a problem with fluid migration from the tranny into the primary causing clutches to slip and or not dis engage properly

I guess time will tell

 

[1dn5up]

Fuzzy , my Mercedes oil requirements in the owners manual is a page long with all this siencetific requirements. The dealer uses Mobil 1 in gasoline and diesel . As long as the recommended type (dino or syn) and the recommended vis is used, your golden.

Dont worry — Be Happy

 

[ultrafxr]

I don't understand how possibly needing to add some oil when on a road trip applies to trannys and primaries. Motor oil sure but I've never ever added (or needed to add) oil to either the tranny or primary. There is no way either can consume oil so unless you have a leak I don't see that as a valid reason to use the new H-D gear oil.

Thankfully I've not had any oil migration but just on the off chance that I should I think using the same lube in both is probably a good idea. Think I'll stick with the Formula +. I've run that for years and never had any problem whatsoever.

 

[MDO]

I know that more & more dealers are carrying fluids, along with the HD products. I don't know how many people have stated that when they talked to their service tech about tranny/shifting problems, they are told to try Redline & 75% of the dealers I have been to are starting to carry it, or Lucas or others.

I like to play & I'm gonna try Formula +, but if the shifting changes at all from what I have had the last 4,000 miles, it's coming out and my Lucas is going back in. I am currently running Lucas 20w-50 High Performance Full Synthetic in all 3 holes & it tested great in my Blackstone analysis, coupled with a Mobil 1 extended performance oil filter. It also, have not used a drop since installed.

In this modern era, I am starting to think if it's what's called for & at the proper level, and changed when it should be, all will be OK.

 

[ultrafxr]

I know that more & more dealers are carrying fluids, along with the HD products. I don't know how many people have stated that when the talked to their service tech about tranny/shifting problems, they are told to try Redline & 75% of the dealers I have been to are starting to carry it, or Lucas or others.

I like to play & I'm gonna try Formula +, but if the shifting changes at all from what I have had the last 4,000 miles, it's coming out and my Lucas is going back in. I am currently running Lucas 20w-50 High Performance Full Synthetic in all 3 holes & it tested great in my Blackstone analysis, coupled with a Mobil 1 extended performance oil filter. I also, have not burned a drop since installed.

In this modern era, I am starting to think if it's what's called for & at the proper level, and changed when it should be, all will be OK.

Bingo. If the lubricant(s) meet the well defined industry standards then there should be no appreciable difference in performance. After that it's more a matter of opinion and preference based on experience and recommendations from trusted sources. Don't know why (or how) the moco 'tests' these lubricants to be acceptable in their components. It should be pretty well cut and dry - if they meet the industry specs they are acceptable - period, end of story.

 

[Jack Klarich]

This is looking like an oil thread

Good job Michael:clapping:

Harley has always been tight lipped about their lube testing

They used to test beat bikes @ Talladega speedway and they also had heat sheds in Arizona when they were testing the VRod bikes

 

[Jack Klarich]

All my Harley's like Redline

I have seen first hand the blues gears and shifter forks from Syn3

 

[peteg59]

The Moco in all its worldly wisdom, finally went to synthetic formulas for all bikes long after the "aftermarket" developed specific formulas for air cooled v-twins.

Amsoil comes to mind...oops you're right Jack!!!

Took em way too long IMO, but that's about as valuable and useful as a pisshole in the snow...​

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Hopefully the higher viscosity will "cure' the oil migration issue these new scoots have been experiencing.

 

[Jack Klarich]

The Moco in all its worldly wisdom, finally went to synthetic formulas for all bikes long after the "aftermarket" developed specific formulas for air cooled v-twins.

Amsoil comes to mind...oops you're right Jack!!!

Took em way too long IMO, but that's about as valuable and useful as a pisshole in the snow...​

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Hopefully the higher viscosity will "cure' the oil migration issue these new scoots have been experiencing.

I have been using Redline since 500 mile break in and to date have NO issue with the oil migration

 

[MDO]

I don't have the migration either & don't know anyone that does. Percentage wise, I think its small.

The 1 thing that really bugs me about the HD oil products, is that they don't list the specs that the oil meets/exceeds. I don't see any good reason for that.

 

[MDO]

I have been using Redline since 500 mile break in and to date have NO issue with the oil migration

Jack, is that the Redline Shockproof 75w90.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Jack, is that the Redline Shockproof 75w90.

Yup, good stuff

It looks like Pepto Bismal

 

[MDO]

Yup, good stuff

It looks like Pepto Bismal

It's funny we talked about Red Line yesterday & today I find a whole bunch of it at a great price.

I got 7 quarts of 20W50, 2 quarts each of tranny & differential fluid, 2 bottles of fuel line cleaner & 2 of the big funnels & 3 K&N oil filters for $75

 

[ultrafxr]

It's funny we talked about Red Line yesterday & today I find a whole bunch of it at a great price.

I got 7 quarts of 20W50, 2 quarts each of tranny & differential fluid, 2 bottles of fuel line cleaner & 2 of the big funnels & 3 K&N oil filters for $75

That's a great deal. Where did you find that?

 

[MDO]

That's a great deal. Where did you find that?

It was on Craigslist. I just got back from picking it up. Everything was sealed & he kept it in the basement so it didn't get hot. The 3 K&N's were sealed also.

He ordered 2 of those kits with 5 qts 20W/50 engine oil, 1qt each tranny & diff. a fuel system cleaner & those funny red funnels. He only used 3 quarts on 1 engine oil change because he had another quart.

I got everything else. It was a little less that 2 years old, he had the Amazon invoice.

I have never bought/sold off of Craigslist. I am very happy. I have my next 5 oil/filter changes covered.:clapping::qpnmt:

 

[Jack Klarich]

Remember not to long ago HD warned NOT to run gear oil in the 6 speed gear box

 

[Phu Cat]

​Your engine, tranny, and primary all put different demands on their lubricants. Using the same oil in all three systems , like Syn 3 , is a compromise at best. For instance, piston rings have different lube requirements than gears because gears put much more pressure on the oil structure than the rings do. Try asking an engine builder if it's OK to use tranny oil in your engine. Doubt you'll find a builder that would recommend THAT!

However, if your engine oil is dangerously low while on a trip and all you can find is primary or tranny oil, by all means put it in your engine rather than ruin the engine. But change back to engine oil of the proper vis at your earliest convenience.

PC