Harley Cam Replacement

[Mr.Wizard]

Do you want to upgrade your cams? Do you know how?

If you could do it yourself, would you?

Are you willing to try? Want to learn how?

What cam would you choose? Woods, Andrews, Harley SE?

This should be an interesting topic. You know you want new cams and you know it would be really cool to rip through the gears too, yea? Huh? :woohoo:

 

[Guido Gonzeaux]

I have cams in my two wheeler 08 Night Train. It's quick. The biggest reason I have not done the Trike is the lack of a dyno anywhere close. I don't feel the PC V I installed is tweaked to perfection and really would like to see how the trike does as it is ( if tuned correctly )

 

[Mr.Wizard]

There is a map from Jamie for the Woods 555 Prowler cams. It's close enough to see what the trike can do. I've already put a set of 555 cams in a TG. Nice, very nice. Talk to the Socko's. They also used the 555's.

There is an alternative way to do this as well. Pull your PCV off, sell it, and purchase the TTS Mastertune. This way you can tune the trike yourself. No Dyno needed.

 

[Guido Gonzeaux]

The 08 Two wheeler has a V&H FuelPak. Thinking I could move the PC V to it and go the TTS Mastertune on the trike.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

There are a few places where you can get wholesale on the TTS so PM me before you buy. No sense in laying out too much cash.

(For those wondering.....No, I'm not affiliated with TTS nor do I sell parts)

I've just bought enough of them to know where to save a buck or two.

 

[iaff84]

Sent you a PM

 

[1550vt]

I may have a pushrod cover removal tool out there in the shop for sale. Of course....if you have hands and fingers like Godzilla, or have mastered the screwdriver technique....you don't need this tool.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

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</div>LOL... it's the pushrod cover installation tool everyone needs. Talk about a $^*$@@%^ to get back on... whewwwww<br />
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I think I got all of your 88" cam and bearing tools over here. :Monster:

 

[1550vt]

Unless you sold them....you do, but you did not get this tool.

I was a hard-head die-hard for years before I purchased this pushrod cover tool. After I broke down and bought one.....I walked parking lots looking for pushrod covers to remove just for fun. It's not one of those plastic pieces of junk that fits on your key-ring....this is the big one with the handles like pliers.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Back to the original question... Is there anyone here that wants to install new cams themselves. First time wrench addicts that need a blow by blow on the parts and how-to?<br />
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VT can teach us... LOL<br />
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(you knew that was coming)

 

[1550vt]

Oh yes.....and if you remember the story....I can sure as HE!! give a very thorough course on how NOT to adjust adjustable pushrods .

 

[Bruce]

that would be great if there was a step by step posting on this ( along with lots of pics )

 

[1550vt]

Bruce....I bet you can already find it on the net someplace. On the recent models.....there are no outer cam bearings to press out-n-in, only bushings. In their infinite wisdom, MOCO decided a bearing was totally unnecessary.

 

[Oldmsocko]

There is a map from Jamie for the Woods 555 Prowler cams. It's close enough to see what the trike can do. I've already put a set of 555 cams in a TG. Nice, very nice. Talk to the Socko's. They also used the 555's.

There is an alternative way to do this as well. Pull your PCV off, sell it, and purchase the TTS Mastertune. This way you can tune the trike yourself. No Dyno needed.

Both myself and my Son have the 555 cams in our TG and we realy like them.

 

[1550vt]

You can't be doing stuff like that......you're knocking Wizard off some tuning jobs if you do things yourself.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

You can't be doing stuff like that,,,,you're knocking Wizard off some tuning jobs if you do things yourself.

He stiffed me on the Root Beer too.. :gah:

 

[msocko3]

I may have a pushrod cover removal tool out there in the shop for sale. Of course....if you have hands and fingers like Godzilla, or have mastered the screwdriver technique....you don't need this tool.

I've gotten the screwdriver technique down pat, I can bang those puppies together like its nobodies business. But then I've had a few TC's apart over the years. Getting ready to do a 120 in my 06 Ultra this winter.

 

[msocko3]

Back to the original question... Is there anyone here that wants to install new cams themselves. First time wrench addicts that need a blow by blow on the parts and how-to?

VT can teach us... LOL

(you knew that was coming)

I'm betting if I get some free time tomorrow I can gin up some pictures for folks to look at so they have an idea on how its done.

 

[1550vt]

Okay Mike....the challenge is to do it in 5-pictures or less.

I actually have 25-30 pictures of a hybrid hydraulic upgrade install and inner cam bearing change. When you get old....you need all the pictures possible to support the associated memory loss with age.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

OK guys, it's on....

Let's break this down into sections.

First part is cam and lifter selection discussion

Second part is part procurement and part numbers for OEM rings, gaskets and tension shoes

Third will be the actual break down and all the mouse traps to be aware of.

Fourth will be reassembly

Fifth will be tuning discussion points

Each talking point will be a separate thread. I can work with separate threads to combine or separate information.

We will get Mr. Pimp's OK to post and stick.

Take your best pick and put your name beside it.

PS... if you don't, I'll volunteer you.

 

[1550vt]

Okay....I will volunteer for the position of Consultant on the project. I won't do anything.....I will only be looking for mistakes and pointing out obvious errors. God knows.....I have experience at that because I have mad enough of them. I live by the Boy Scout Motto.....Learn To Do By Doing and I have broken more than a few things learning.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

Wuss

Now go pick your poison. LOL

 

[msocko3]

OK guys, it's on....

Let's break this down into sections.

First part is cam and lifter selection discussion

Second part is part procurement and part numbers for OEM rings, gaskets and tension shoes

Third will be the actual break down and all the mouse traps to be aware of.

Fourth will be reassembly

Fifth will be tuning discussion points

Each talking point will be a separate thread. I can work with separate threads to combine or separate information.

We will get Mr. Pimp's OK to post and stick.

Take your best pick and put your name beside it.

PS... if you don't, I'll volunteer you.

I can roll with parts procurement and part numbers. I'm gearing up to do another build in a few months on my 06 Ultra, most of the steps will apply to all pre 07 touring even though the build will be a little on the large size. With this build we can discuss options such as gear drive vs tensioner upgrade. When I did the SE255 cams I snapped a hand full of pictures of that work. If we don't have any quick time frame I can do reassembly, I'm tossing around building it in a stand on the bench then installing it in the bike, or installing the short block and then assembling the rest in the bike.

 

[Mr.Wizard]

OK guys, it's on....

Let's break this down into sections.

First part is cam and lifter selection discussion Wiz

Second part is part procurement and part numbers for OEM rings, gaskets and tension shoes M3

Third will be the actual break down and all the mouse traps to be aware of.

Fourth will be reassembly

Fifth will be tuning discussion points Wiz

Each talking point will be a separate thread. I can work with separate threads to combine or separate information.

We will get Mr. Pimp's OK to post and stick.

Take your best pick and put your name beside it.

PS... if you don't, I'll volunteer you.

This will be based on the 07 and up Big Twin. Size doesn't matter.. HA (except cam selection)

VT?

Anyone else??

 

[Boom]

I think a list of uncommon tools (H-D or otherwise) to do the job right would be real nice too! Didn't someone recommend a bearing press? Like maybe a Harbor Freight cheapo? :Excited:

 

[Mr.Wizard]

You can actually rent the bearing puller/press at most any auto parts store.

 

[1550vt]

You do not need the special tools. Like Wizard said...most of what you need can be rented, but if that bothers you, you can simply have the pressing-off-on done by an Indy, or local dealer. Most dealers start at $500 just to enter the cam chest and they can press the new bearings off and on your cams if you just take them in. Even just pulling the support plate on your own and having the other work done at a dealer/Indy will save you big $.

 

[msocko3]

I think a list of uncommon tools (H-D or otherwise) to do the job right would be real nice too! Didn't someone recommend a bearing press? Like maybe a Harbor Freight cheapo? :Excited:

I think as this series moves along the tools or how to do it without the tools will be discussed.

 

[msocko3]

You do not need the special tools. Like Wizard said...most of what you need can be rented, but if that bothers you, you can simply have the pressing-off-on done by an Indy, or local dealer. Most dealers start at $500 just to enter the cam chest and they can press the new bearings off and on your cams if you just take them in. Even just pulling the support plate on your own and having the other work done at a dealer/Indy will save you big $.

:Agree: I don't mess around pressing the bearings out of the older style cam plate, the last time I had an Indy do it for $30.

 

[1550vt]

I think Wiz limited this to 07 and newer, but there is a simple heat-freeze technique that I have used on several occasions with the pre 07 model cam support plate to remove/install the outer bearings. You really don't need all those special pressing blocks-n-jigs. That's why I sold all mine to Wizard .