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VICTORY WAS A GREAT PRODUCT !!!!
WHAT A LOSS WE TOOK WHEN THAT BUSINESS DECISION TOOK PLACE !!! :gah:
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VICTORY WAS A GREAT PRODUCT !!!!
WHAT A LOSS WE TOOK WHEN THAT BUSINESS DECISION TOOK PLACE !!! :gah:
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Yep......I had a Gunner......
I rode with a friend with a Voyager kit on a Yamaha before he picked up a Goldwing and added a Roadsmith kit. There was a question about the number of wheels with the Voyager kit installed, he even ended up having to have it inspected by the state police. After a few go-rounds with the inspecting officer (who was a motorcyclist) and bureaucrats at the DMV it was decided that the motorcycle designation was correct because 1) The Voyager kit was an accessory, not a permanent modification, and 2) The way the kit was set up the outrigger wheels don't both touch the ground at the same time, therefore only 3 wheels were on the road at any one time. That made it a trike, which falls under the motorcycle category in this state.
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Air conditioned buildings and cars make people more miserable with mold and dust mites flourishing. But they are more comfortable while they sneeze and blow their noses all day long. I prefer those hot months as I'm freezing at temps below 65º in my old age.
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Victory had some great products and seemed to be ahead of their time. I am a little biased........I had five of them, starting in 2000.
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Curious discussion, so when I went to the OK Tag Agency yesterday to renew my tags (keep in mind that in OK, the DMV is privatized), I asked the counter person the topic question.
She didn't know the answer, so she called in the facility manager. He said that the original intent of the vehicle at the point of manufacture, is how the vehicle is classified regardless of any aftermarket modifications.
For example, the Goldwing trikes (in OK) are classified as motorcycles, because the modification to a trike was done after it was manufactured and the Goldwing is not originally designed to be a trike. According to the gentleman, the only trikes that are actually classified as trikes (in OK), are the H-D Freewheeler, and the H-D Tri Glide, because that's how the vehicles were originally designed by the manufacturer.
An H-D motorcycle that receives an aftermarket trike kit, remains legally categorized as a motorcycle (again, in OK), and not a trike.
I'm no attorney and have no idea how accurate his information is, but it makes sense to me.
She didn't know the answer, so she called in the facility manager. He said that the original intent of the vehicle at the point of manufacture, is how the vehicle is classified regardless of any aftermarket modifications.
For example, the Goldwing trikes (in OK) are classified as motorcycles, because the modification to a trike was done after it was manufactured and the Goldwing is not originally designed to be a trike. According to the gentleman, the only trikes that are actually classified as trikes (in OK), are the H-D Freewheeler, and the H-D Tri Glide, because that's how the vehicles were originally designed by the manufacturer.
An H-D motorcycle that receives an aftermarket trike kit, remains legally categorized as a motorcycle (again, in OK), and not a trike.
I'm no attorney and have no idea how accurate his information is, but it makes sense to me.
A word from Trip Trike
So since we weren't mentioned anywhere in this thread I assume you haven't heard of us. We are an add on kit like the one's you have mentioned only we are a step above and a cost below. We have the patented air ride suspension and the patent pending on a Reverse and on power steering. Because of our independent air ride suspension we truly are the smoothest riding kit you can buy and is smoother than most 3 wheel kits. Our reverse is the fastest available and is mechanical so you don't have dead batteries to deal with. The Power Steering will work on most 3 wheel trikes also. As for how long it takes to remove a Trip Trike kit with power tools it is less than 5 minutes and probably about the same to putting it back on. (Goldwings take a little longer.) It's a matter of removing 2 1/2" bolts and 2 1/2" nuts and rolling it back. We do not use a belly plate so you don't lose the ground clearance like with most kits.
Now my opinion on the back kit verses the front kits, when I am on my bike I feel like I am on a motorcycle. I feel like if I had the 2 wheels in front I would feel like I was in a convertible car and it just wouldn't be as exciting. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject. I have enjoyed reading all the comments on this subject and would welcome any questions you may have. triptrike.com is where you can find out more information and photos.
Thanks, have a blessed day, Dawn
So since we weren't mentioned anywhere in this thread I assume you haven't heard of us. We are an add on kit like the one's you have mentioned only we are a step above and a cost below. We have the patented air ride suspension and the patent pending on a Reverse and on power steering. Because of our independent air ride suspension we truly are the smoothest riding kit you can buy and is smoother than most 3 wheel kits. Our reverse is the fastest available and is mechanical so you don't have dead batteries to deal with. The Power Steering will work on most 3 wheel trikes also. As for how long it takes to remove a Trip Trike kit with power tools it is less than 5 minutes and probably about the same to putting it back on. (Goldwings take a little longer.) It's a matter of removing 2 1/2" bolts and 2 1/2" nuts and rolling it back. We do not use a belly plate so you don't lose the ground clearance like with most kits.
Now my opinion on the back kit verses the front kits, when I am on my bike I feel like I am on a motorcycle. I feel like if I had the 2 wheels in front I would feel like I was in a convertible car and it just wouldn't be as exciting. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject. I have enjoyed reading all the comments on this subject and would welcome any questions you may have. triptrike.com is where you can find out more information and photos.
Thanks, have a blessed day, Dawn
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Well friend, first I'd ask the OK DMV about the four wheeled Hannigan. That's because I'm guessing that would require a call to the agency's attorney, unless you've already got one on the OK roads and a guidance document was produced for the DMV to follow. It's really about the forth wheel/tire being in contact with the ground full time. Thank you for sharing!
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I know in Arizona it is still considered a motorcycle, That is what is on your title. They go by CC's here they don't care how many wheels. They are accessories. Also since we build Quad Harleys we found out by calling all 50 states the quads are road legal in 40 of the 50 states. We also built the Hannigan Quad for a couple that live in Arizona, they love it.
I know in Arizona it is still considered a motorcycle, That is what is on your title. They go by CC's here they don't care how many wheels. They are accessories. Also since we build Quad Harleys we found out by calling all 50 states the quads are road legal in 40 of the 50 states. We also built the Hannigan Quad for a couple that live in Arizona, they love it.
Nothing will be answered in this thread but. In that nhtsa document it states designed it doesn't say modified. When we inspected vehicles we had a guy who updated the suspenion on a f250 he wanted to change the vehicle weight rating. Didn't work the serial number kept kicking it back to a f250. Got the state involved they said didn't matter what he did it would remain what the serial number said it was. So if you are stopped and they run the numbers it will comeback as a motorcycle.
Interesting topic and discussion.
I'm in Pennsylvania (and ride a Vstar with a Voyager Conversion registered and inspected as a motorcycle) and this is the current definition of a Motorcycle:
"Motorcycle." A motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and:
(1) designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground; or
(2) designed to travel on two wheels in contact with the ground which is modified by the addition of two stabilizing wheels on the rear of the motor vehicle.
The term includes an autocycle.
Then again, the Hannigan 4 wheeler might be this .... also in the Pennsylvania code under Vehicles... LOL.
"Human organ delivery vehicle." Any vehicle which is used or intended to be used and is maintained or operated for the purpose of transporting human organs or human tissue on an emergency basis.
Here's the link if you want to look:
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/75/00.001.002.000..HTM
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I might add that there is a reciprocity law that would let you use motor vehicles legally registered in other states. That's why you don't get pulled over with out of state plates if your vehicle doesn't meet registration requirements. Safety? Yup, probably going to talk to the nice man in the car with flashing lights.
I'm in Pennsylvania (and ride a Vstar with a Voyager Conversion registered and inspected as a motorcycle) and this is the current definition of a Motorcycle:
"Motorcycle." A motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and:
(1) designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground; or
(2) designed to travel on two wheels in contact with the ground which is modified by the addition of two stabilizing wheels on the rear of the motor vehicle.
The term includes an autocycle.
Then again, the Hannigan 4 wheeler might be this .... also in the Pennsylvania code under Vehicles... LOL.
"Human organ delivery vehicle." Any vehicle which is used or intended to be used and is maintained or operated for the purpose of transporting human organs or human tissue on an emergency basis.
Here's the link if you want to look:
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/75/00.001.002.000..HTM
EDIT:
I might add that there is a reciprocity law that would let you use motor vehicles legally registered in other states. That's why you don't get pulled over with out of state plates if your vehicle doesn't meet registration requirements. Safety? Yup, probably going to talk to the nice man in the car with flashing lights.
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In the end, I wish the HANNIGAN Quad was an option for people to choose in every place that falls under the flag of the USA. PLEASE, name the 10 states that prohibit the HANNIGAN Quad from public roadway use!!!!!!!
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Just wanted to add our Insight on this regarding a serious accident in 2014 that we had in Michigan on an 1800 with an Etrike kit. The police were called, all reports just ignored the trike kit, "The motorcycle was traveling at the speed limit" etc etc. They didn't care how many wheels we had at all. Where we ran into issues was with the insurance company, who obviously didn't know what they were insuring. We changed insurance co. after the settlement.
Just wanted to add our Insight on this regarding a serious accident in 2014 that we had in Michigan on an 1800 with an Etrike kit. The police were called, all reports just ignored the trike kit, "The motorcycle was traveling at the speed limit" etc etc. They didn't care how many wheels we had at all. Where we ran into issues was with the insurance company, who obviously didn't know what they were insuring. We changed insurance co. after the settlement.
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It all comes down to the extremely litigious society that we exist in. Should a fatal crash involve one of these four wheeled vehicles, that began its existence as one with two or three wheels, the lawyers will tear into the event as if it was the Ethel & Julius Rosenberg nuclear secrets spy trial again. Mark my words, the NHTSA definition will come into play, the legal point that Federal Law supersedes state, city, county, municipal law and so on. This would even be true if Honda started to factory generate a product that duplicated the Hannigan 4 wheeler.
Remember what this whole four wheel issue is rooted in. SAFETY of people. Standards like mandating seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, 5 MPH bumpers front & rear, and on and on. The federal government wants it's safety guidelines for cars OBEYED. And one of the delineating markers that divides motorcycles, trikes and cars from one another according to federal mandates, is the number of tires/wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is on the road. And our system can yield amazing decisions.
In New York a burglar fell through a sky light of a residence that he had targeted for his crime. He was seriously hurt. The homeowner's insurance company PAID the burglar a huge figure in a settlement. They obviously FEARED what a jury trial would result in, regarding a pay out to the FELON.
Bernie Getz shot four young attackers.
The JURY verdict: Bernie was found NOT guilty of shooting the attackers, SIMULTANEOUSLY the same jury found Bernie GUILTY of unlawfully possessing the gun that he used to protect himself from the attackers!!!!! So it was fine to shoot the teenagers, but it was a felony to have a gun in your possession to use to shoot them!!!!!!!!!!
I pray that NO ONE has trouble of any sort, as a result of the vehicle that they choose to operate on the public roads.
Remember what this whole four wheel issue is rooted in. SAFETY of people. Standards like mandating seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, 5 MPH bumpers front & rear, and on and on. The federal government wants it's safety guidelines for cars OBEYED. And one of the delineating markers that divides motorcycles, trikes and cars from one another according to federal mandates, is the number of tires/wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is on the road. And our system can yield amazing decisions.
In New York a burglar fell through a sky light of a residence that he had targeted for his crime. He was seriously hurt. The homeowner's insurance company PAID the burglar a huge figure in a settlement. They obviously FEARED what a jury trial would result in, regarding a pay out to the FELON.
Bernie Getz shot four young attackers.
The JURY verdict: Bernie was found NOT guilty of shooting the attackers, SIMULTANEOUSLY the same jury found Bernie GUILTY of unlawfully possessing the gun that he used to protect himself from the attackers!!!!! So it was fine to shoot the teenagers, but it was a felony to have a gun in your possession to use to shoot them!!!!!!!!!!
I pray that NO ONE has trouble of any sort, as a result of the vehicle that they choose to operate on the public roads.
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Here in Minnesota for purposes of registration and licensing, the Slingshot is classified as an automobile. Specifically they call it an autocar or something like that so that technically you only need a regular operator's license with no endorsements to drive one.
Here in Minnesota for purposes of registration and licensing, the Slingshot is classified as an automobile. Specifically they call it an autocar or something like that so that technically you only need a regular operator's license with no endorsements to drive one.
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