Cobra Catch Can Maybe?

JTJersey

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I’ll try to be concise here,there is a question and pictures :) . I’ve been following the crankcase breather venting into the engine topic that’s discussed in thousands of places on the Web. General consensus seems to lean towards the “if you don’t put on a bypass with a catch can your motor will be toast in 10,000 miles.” Usually followed closely by a recommendation of their favorite setup. Not arguing one way or the other and I’ve seen the multiple pictures of crap encrusted pistons from TwinCams. Looked exactly like the crap encrusted pistons on my ‘78 Shovelhead Lowrider that vented to my chain. (Way it came, very handy chain oilier, thought it was a feature.) Rode the ‘78 Shovel for 33 years and would on occasion pull the heads off and clean the crap off the pistons. Unlikely I’ll be riding my ‘21 M8 Freewheeler for 33 years unless I live to 103.

Bear with me. At 2500 miles I replaced the stock HD air box with a Cobra PowerFlo Intake holding a K&N filter. I really liked the look of the HD box, just too big for me and I wanted a K&N filter, but wanted to keep the overall look of the box.

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I kept the crankcase breather hose in the factory position. Went to the 5000 mile service that way. At around 6000 miles I was curious if they had “cleaned” my K&N Air Filter and took the cover off. It was practically spotless inside. OK. Since then I would occasionally see an oily film on the back of my air cleaner cover. I’d wipe it off and go about my business. This afternoon I decided to take the entire air cleaner unit apart. I’m at 9000 miles so let’s see. I left the two pics in question full size for examination.

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On the vent hose you can clearly see a large drip of oil & moisture content. It hung there ‘till I wiped it off. Below the hose you can see where the oil is dripping on the intake, running down past the screw and dripping from the bottom of the mounting plate into the rubber bottom seal of the K&N filter. There is little or no oil in the filter pleats themselves. Lastly, you’ll see the drip line and collection of oil inside the bottom of the cover. This explaining the eventual film on the outside bottom and rear of the cover that I’ve been wiping off. Here’s the kicker. The inside walls of the intake and the butterfly had almost NO residue on them. Now I know a throttle intake isn’t a Kirby vacuum cleaner suction, but the lack of excessive residue seems to me like this particular Cobra PowerFlo Intake is acting like a rather large catch can? Maybe? Thoughts?
 
To much oil?

Any chance you have to much oil? I've seen several twin cams that will do that when they are overfull.
 
Your throttle plate looks pretty dirty, you can bet even tho you do not see oil in the intake, your engine is sucking some of it in, nature of the beast

Something else to consider, as you already know from riding Trouble heads, you will eventually get some oil past valve guides and maybe some past the rings

Once again, nature of the beast

I route my head breathers to a catch can, I dump it when I remember, it has never been much, more water than oil so far

Good pictures and write up JT
 
Both my Twincam and M8 have breather bypass's. On the M8 trike I connected hose's to the breather bolts then to a tee then a single hose out the back of the air cleaner routed down between the tranny under the frame to an automotive catch can zip tied to the brake cable mount on left hand side. My Shovelhead has an entirely different breather system no longer EPA approved.
 
Any chance you have to much oil? I've seen several twin cams that will do that when they are overfull.

The dealer did the 5000 mile service. Hoping they know what they're doing :( Couple of days ago I was down 1 qt checking while good and hot. According to the dip stick I could still go a tad more. This appears to be an accumulation over 4000 miles.
 
Your throttle plate looks pretty dirty, you can bet even tho you do not see oil in the intake, your engine is sucking some of it in, nature of the beast

Something else to consider, as you already know from riding Trouble heads, you will eventually get some oil past valve guides and maybe some past the rings

Once again, nature of the beast I route my head breathers to a catch can, I dump it when I remember, it has never been much, more water than oil so far Good pictures and write up JT

In actuality it really wasn't. 90% of the oil was collecting away from the intake. It may not be a 100% fix, but without violating warranty it seems to be a whole lot better. Could be why Cobra claims a 2-5% power increase over stock. Much the same as that with a catch can installed. I'll check it down the road at 10000 miles and post back.
 
Im thinking most of the snot is being sucked into the motor.It needs to be completely routed away from the intake.

I'm sure some is still being sucked into the motor, but by the looks of that rather sizeable oil collection that ISN'T being sucked into the motor, that's a lot of oil NOT infiltrating the engine, you have to admit?
 
I'm sure some is still being sucked into the motor, but by the looks of that rather sizeable oil collection that ISN'T being sucked into the motor, that's a lot of oil NOT infiltrating the engine, you have to admit?

JT, approx how many miles since you last looked inside the AC cover?

How much oil between oil changes if any ?
 
Here's a thought. EPA regs say you can't vent the crankcase oil into the atmosphere, so most motorcycle, car, etc manufacturers took the easiest most discreet route by venting to the intake. Why would HD or the EPA care if you were venting into a collector can and then disposing of it later? Results the same isn't it? Probably better because your exhaust emissions would be cleaner. Dripping it directly onto the road and into the air would be the no-no they want to avoid. This system has resulted in the center line at intersections and stop streets being a lot cleaner and safer these days, especially for two wheelers.
 
Here's a thought. EPA regs say you can't vent the crankcase oil into the atmosphere, so most motorcycle, car, etc manufacturers took the easiest most discreet route by venting to the intake. Why would HD or the EPA care if you were venting into a collector can and then disposing of it later? Results the same isn't it? Probably better because your exhaust emissions would be cleaner. Dripping it directly onto the road and into the air would be the no-no they want to avoid. This system has resulted in the center line at intersections and stop streets being a lot cleaner and safer these days, especially for two wheelers.

I agree 100% and do use a catch can, I have since the Evo engines

The EPA would probably still frown on this as being a work around

I do not care, I can change back in about 5 minutes even on the road if I had to take mine in for a problem @ a dealer

The hot oxygen depleted oily mess is not good for any engine as you already know, you could probably pretty easily fashion a hose and catch can to your IMO handsome Air Cleaner, even if it meant running a bit longer hose to route the catch can out of sight

On my 15 Freewheeler I ran a longer hose back and under the trike with a plastic spigot for a drain

I could open the spigot , drain the oily / water crap out and dispose of it properly;)
 
One thing for certain is that anybody who sees those pics of my air cleaner can't say the issue doesn't exist. They can choose to ignore if they want, but it does exist.
 
Here's a thought. EPA regs say you can't vent the crankcase oil into the atmosphere, so most motorcycle, car, etc manufacturers took the easiest most discreet route by venting to the intake. Why would HD or the EPA care if you were venting into a collector can and then disposing of it later? Results the same isn't it? Probably better because your exhaust emissions would be cleaner. Dripping it directly onto the road and into the air would be the no-no they want to avoid. This system has resulted in the center line at intersections and stop streets being a lot cleaner and safer these days, especially for two wheelers.

I remember riding to work through the Lincoln tunnel on my two wheeler in the 70’s..It was like riding on Goose sh*t….And stopping at the toll booth was always an adventure..

But getting back to the collector can how many people will empty it in a timely fashion or only after it drips on the road ..Or on their chrome..?
 
I remember riding to work through the Lincoln tunnel on my two wheeler in the 70’s..It was like riding on Goose sh*t….And stopping at the toll booth was always an adventure..

But getting back to the collector can how many people will empty it in a timely fashion or only after it drips on the road ..Or on their chrome..?

:nono:

These folks should not be riding if they don't take reasonable care of their machine IMO
 
I agree 100% and do use a catch can, I have since the Evo engines

The EPA would probably still frown on this as being a work around

I do not care, I can change back in about 5 minutes even on the road if I had to take mine in for a problem @ a dealer

The hot oxygen depleted oily mess is not good for any engine as you already know, you could probably pretty easily fashion a hose and catch can to your IMO handsome Air Cleaner, even if it meant running a bit longer hose to route the catch can out of sight

On my 15 Freewheeler I ran a longer hose back and under the trike with a plastic spigot for a drain

I could open the spigot , drain the oily / water crap out and dispose of it properly;)

You got my wheels turning on the breather install, went down to my shop and took a look

this morning. It looks like a very simple install with no hacking and simple enough to put it back

stock even on the side of the road.
 
You got my wheels turning on the breather install, went down to my shop and took a look

this morning. It looks like a very simple install with no hacking and simple enough to put it back

stock even on the side of the road.

Here is about as cheap and simple as u can get

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Thanks for this easy fix.

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That's awesome. Great fix and can't get anymore discreet than that. Looks like a trip to Lowes today for vacuum tube and connector. Question though, as well as being a place for the oil mist to collect shouldn't the container be vented to allow breather venting? Seems like otherwise it may be the same as plugging up the holes in the heads.
 
That's awesome. Great fix and can't get anymore discreet than that. Looks like a trip to Lowes today for vacuum tube and connector. Question though, as well as being a place for the oil mist to collect shouldn't the container be vented to allow breather venting? Seems like otherwise it may be the same as plugging up the holes in the heads.

Yes, an 1/8th inch hole in the top of the cap
 
So since I'm back from my 10,000 mile service I've revisited the breather catch can situation and I just don't like anything on the market. I don't want a fancy chrome something to show off, and while Jack Klarich's great idea of the pill bottle in the back of the air cleaner body may work well with the stock air cleaner, I'm running a rather smaller Cobra air cleaner and there's just no room for a pill bottle in there.

What I've been experimenting with is a 1 1/2" long by 1" wide and 1/2" thick flat, rectangular polypropylene box with a hinged lid that snaps shuts. (I had one in my parts closet for some reason. Go figure.) Pulled the OEM hose out of the backing plate of the Cobra air cleaner and capped it off from the back. Replaced it with a hose that runs into the back of the polypropylene box and drilled another hole for pressure release. Put the box on inside bottom of the air cleaner. It couldn't move or open and is out of the way. Ran it like that for 600 miles. Worked fine. BUT, I had the thought that it may be interfering with the air flow despite how small and low profile it is.

Today I pulled it out and mounted it outside of the air filter on the backing plate facing the motor. Used high strength exterior grade Velcro. This keeps the air flow into the throttle body clear and keeps the blow by oil from going into the engine. My only concern is the polypropylene box I'm using holding up to the heat of the engine which is a mere 5" away from it. I posted a pic of the trike with Cobra air cleaner for reference and a pic of the mounted polypropylene box. (Red arrow) I've since found and ordered a round tin box about the same size with a screw off lid. Let you know in a next week or so how that works out.

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I just run my breathers to ground. No need to complicate things. Next to no liquid comes out of them since I vented my crankcase "home brew" trask style.
 
Got my tin cans in and used the 1 oz can.

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I feel better about having the metal there other than the plastic even if the plastic seems to be working fine. Now I can just unscrew the lid, wipe out the inside and screw the lid back on. It's also bigger than the plastic box, but fits in the same place just fine. It really seems like the engine "feels" better without any oil mist in the mix. The cans come in a ten pack for about $8 so I can afford to experiment if need be.

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Got my tin cans in and used the 1 oz can.

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I feel better about having the metal there other than the plastic even if the plastic seems to be working fine. Now I can just unscrew the lid, wipe out the inside and screw the lid back on. It's also bigger than the plastic box, but fits in the same place just fine. It really seems like the engine "feels" better without any oil mist in the mix. The cans come in a ten pack for about $8 so I can afford to experiment if need be.

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Nice job, yes your engine will run stronger without the oily mess
 
Nice job, yes your engine will run stronger without the oily mess

It's been about 1500 miles since I put that tin can on there and after the 600 mile trip I just took to VA figured it was time to check it. Pulled the air cleaner off and all was spotless, as hoped. Not so much the tin can. It was 1/4 full with an creamy mess that kind of looked like French Vanilla coffee creamer only much thicker and slimier. Really glad that's not in my fuel mix anymore. :)
 
It's been about 1500 miles since I put that tin can on there and after the 600 mile trip I just took to VA figured it was time to check it. Pulled the air cleaner off and all was spotless, as hoped. Not so much the tin can. It was 1/4 full with an creamy mess that kind of looked like French Vanilla coffee creamer only much thicker and slimier. Really glad that's not in my fuel mix anymore. :)

It looks like the can you made is doing a good job
 

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