Some Changes to the 2019 Freewheeler

[MDO]

No, I missed it. I was concentrating on the trike stuff mainly.

Hey Jack, did you mail me anything yet?

 

[Jack Klarich]

No, I missed it. I was concentrating on the trike stuff mainly.

Hey Jack, did you mail me anything yet?

Yup, on its way

 

[MDO]

I just got back from checking out the 2019 models. They of course had everything but a FW!

2 HD reps & they new nothing about the 2019 models addressing the oil issues..

I got a nice 60 mile ride in steamy STL summer weather at 91° by noon, on the way to 96 with a 106 heat index.

 

[Free Bird]

Sorry Micheal,

I should have posted that yesterday... Doc's had a bash yesterday and intro'd some of the 19's ...but as you point out ... no Freewheelers.

The article about the breathing issues sounds interesting. I need to read it. Was thinking about one of Kevin's external breather mods to improve oil puking through the carb, I wonder if it would help reduce potential oil migration as well? (assuming case pressure in a major contributing factor)

 

[52edub]

Saw a beautiful sand white Freewheeler in one of my area's dealer shop. Motor looks great, the traction control replaced the reverse switch (it can be turned off), reverse on right side now and the bike finally has better suspension. Pulled the seat and the preload adjuster is right under the rear frame stiffner. Easy to use. ABS and traction control I don't need, but love the new motor. Cool colors too.

 

[MDO]

Sorry Micheal,

I should have posted that yesterday... Doc's had a bash yesterday and intro'd some of the 19's ...but as you point out ... no Freewheelers.

The article about the breathing issues sounds interesting. I need to read it. Was thinking about one of Kevin's external breather mods to improve oil puking through the carb, I wonder if it would help reduce potential oil migration as well? (assuming case pressure in a major contributing factor)

I couldn't go yesterday. I installed an external breather system of my own design quiet a few months back & saw increased performance & keeping my engine oil level 1/2 way up the dipstick markings when checked cold, I get no oil blowby at all & I have no oil migration from my tranny.

Mine runs awesome, with my only other engine mod being a K&N air filter in the stock box.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I couldn't go yesterday. I installed an external breather system of my own design quiet a few months back & saw increased performance & keeping my engine oil level 1/2 way up the dipstick markings when checked cold, I get no oil blowby at all & I have no oil migration from my tranny.

Mine runs awesome, with my only other engine mod being a K&N air filter in the stock box.

External venting for the heads is a must on these bigger inch engines IMO

It keeps the intake and inside cylinders free of carbon build up that can cause pre ignition and rob power plus create more internal heat and pressure

This is one of the first mods all my bikes get

 

[MDO]

External venting for the heads is a must on these bigger inch engines IMO

It keeps the intake and inside cylinders free of carbon build up that can cause pre ignition and rob power plus create more internal heat and pressure

This is one of the first mods all my bikes get

I listened to you when I first got here Jack & did my FW.

 

[dannymax]

External venting for the heads is a must on these bigger inch engines IMO

It keeps the intake and inside cylinders free of carbon build up that can cause pre ignition and rob power plus create more internal heat and pressure

This is one of the first mods all my bikes get

Is proper external crankcase venting dependent on intake vacuum and, if not, is the catch canister elevation critical, ie: does it need to be above the head vent bolts or is under the motor equally effective? :Shrug:

I've assembled all the goodies to set an EBS system up but these questions plague me. :gah:

 

[Jack Klarich]

Is proper external crankcase venting dependent on intake vacuum and, if not, is the catch canister elevation critical, ie: does it need to be above the head vent bolts or is under the motor equally effective? :Shrug:

I've assembled all the goodies to set an EBS system up but these questions plague me. :gah:

No, the vents work via atmospheric pressure

I run my vent hose down, some vents run up and over. The vents are 1 way, so no oily mess should go the opposite direction. I hope this helps

 

[dannymax]

No, the vents work via atmospheric pressure

I run my vent hose down, some vents run up and over. The vents are 1 way, so no oily mess should go the opposite direction. I hope this helps

It does help, thanks Jack....think running the tubes down from the bolts would be the best way.

Do you have a catch can or a vent filter....or both?

 

[Jack Klarich]

It does help, thanks Jack....think running the tubes down from the bolts would be the best way.

Do you have a catch can or a vent filter....or both?

Kinda sort of

I have a drain valve on mine

Once a week I open it and rain the hose into a bucket and recycle the oil and water

 

[dannymax]

Kinda sort of

I have a drain valve on mine

Once a week I open it and rain the hose into a bucket and recycle the oil and water

Cool idea! :clapping:

 

[Free Bird]

I listened to you when I first got here Jack & did my FW.

Great Stuff guys.... THanks

I am going shopping....again....

:laugh:

 

[dannymax]

Does the addition of an EBS kill the warranty?

 

[MDO]

Does the addition of an EBS kill the warranty?

Probably because it's EPA related. I could put mine back to stock in 5 -10 minutes if needed.

It sure runs better & my oil analysis was great. The K&N air filter helped too.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Does the addition of an EBS kill the warranty?

Legally yes, it is part of the HD pollution control

IMO as long as we are collecting the oil and not dumping it on the ground our engines are polluting less since the oily water mess is not getting reburned

How ever with taking our bikes outside of how they were originally built will be a legal problem and void our warranty

 

[dannymax]

Kind of what I figured Ma EPA overreacting again! With a well designed system all that escapes to the environment are warm vapors....oil & water will condensate inside the collection vessel. I have a dipstick to monitor level, when there's enough water I'll pull it out for my morning coffee & use the oil in the chainsaw!

Burning it up in the FW motor is just plain wasteful! :laugh:

 

[dannymax]

Just a thought, inspection & repair shops may be bound by reporting requirements on some of these alterations :Shrug:

Something to keep in mind before a visit to the shop.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Kind of what I figured Ma EPA overreacting again! With a well designed system all that escapes to the environment are warm vapors....oil & water will condensate inside the collection vessel. I have a dipstick to monitor level, when there's enough water I'll pull it out for my morning coffee & use the oil in the chainsaw!

Burning it up in the FW motor is just plain wasteful! :laugh:

Not only wasteful but harmful to the engine

It promotes fast build up of carbon and creates a glaze on cylinders

Over time the carbon build up can change your compression ratio a bit and cause flash over of spark along with higher cylinder pressure = pre ignition from hot spots across the top of the pistons, this can also lead to detonation the engine killer JMO

 

[dabimf]

I couldn't go yesterday. I installed an external breather system of my own design quiet a few months back & saw increased performance & keeping my engine oil level 1/2 way up the dipstick markings when checked cold, I get no oil blowby at all & I have no oil migration from my tranny.

Mine runs awesome, with my only other engine mod being a K&N air filter in the stock box.

Do you have a picture or description as to how you made your own external breather system?

 

[MDO]

Do you have a picture or description as to how you made your own external breather system?

No, no pictures. I would go to our vendor, DK Customs. They have information on their website.

I am just not comfortable giving info on what I did to my trike in this case, cause it might not work for someone else.

 

[MDO]

Here is a link to a good article on the updates/changes to both HD trikes.

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/20...on-trike-updates-tri-glide-ultra-freewheeler/

 

[Jack Klarich]

I kind of wish they would have left the extras off the Freewheeler

It IMO should remain the unmolested Hot Rod Trike

I do like the bigger 114 engine I may test ride one without my wife

 

[Jack Klarich]

Rumors are the 114 engine has a new design oil pump and o ring to combat oil sumping

If true I wonder if this will be a retro fit for the 107 and will warranty and ESP cover it?

 

[MDO]

I kind of wish they would have left the extras off the Freewheeler

It IMO should remain the unmolested Hot Rod Trike

I do like the bigger 114 engine I may test ride one without my wife

I 100% agree with you on our FW. I do think that improving the linked braking system to work with either foot or hand actuator will help a lot of people with disabilities.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I 100% agree with you on our FW. I do think that improving the linked braking system to work with either foot or hand actuator will help a lot of people with disabilities.

With out a doubt the linked brakes system is a winner for everyone:clapping:

 

[dannymax]

A little puzzled by these torque numbers, always read the M8 107 developed 110.6 ft/lbs, where does the 117 come from?

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"The Tri Glide Ultra and Freewheeler now feature the Milwaukee-Eight 114 engine, which delivers up to five percent more torque over the M8 107 (123 ft/lbs vs. 117 ft/lbs)"[/FONT]

 

[Ace_Cafe_Rat]

No, no pictures. I would go to our vendor, DK Customs. They have information on their website.

I’ve had a DK Customs engine breather kit on my 2017 Freewheeler for over 10k miles and I am convinced that my engine runs better (and perhaps cooler too) for it. Based on SOTP only no hard data to support my opinion.

ACR

 

[Old Road Dog]

Remove hose from T fitting and replace with clear hose from hardware store.Drill hole in prescription pill bottle cap for hose.Drill 1/8" hole in cap for vent.Stowe behind filter element. Cost:free as I had the stuff laying around.Empty about once per week.