birthday present

[Casper]

Birthday Present

---

my lovely wife has agreed to buy me the tuner of my choice for my 2017 Trike.

im thinking either a PV or FPK 3....

what would be the best and easiest for a novice tuner to install and use?

im planning to remove the cat or purchase a header, rhinehart mufflers, SE breather. I don’t plane on any other upgrades. Doing this for more heat management than performance

thanks for all all your advic​

 

[Jack Klarich]

Frank, I have the PV It is IMO way better than a FP3

 

[Freewheeling Ron]

PV for sure. I'm a complete novice but got my custom tune loaded no problem. I haven't used any of the advanced features yet but I will, and they're nice to have as you learn more about tuning. There are some nice temperature and other types of monitoring features that you don't get with the other tuner.

EDIT: Nice wife.

 

[Capt.Bob]

Birthday Present

---

my lovely wife has agreed to buy me the tuner of my choice for my 2017 Trike.

im thinking either a PV or FPK 3....

what would be the best and easiest for a novice tuner to install and use?

im planning to remove the cat or purchase a header, rhinehart mufflers, SE breather. I don’t plane on any other upgrades. Doing this for more heat management than performance

thanks for all all your advic​

Casper, Happy Birthday!!!

I hope that you are aware that the mods you described are going to potentially invalidate the remaining factory warranty time on your Tri Glide. Sadly, due to the agreement between the MOCO and the EPA, those mods constitute a violation of the MOCO's agreement and they are reportedly fairly swift to blacklist warranties where substantial mods have been made to the fuel induction/muffler systems. My 2017 M8 TGU just started throwing a code (PO131) for the front O2 sensor and I am pretty sure that some Harley dealers wouldn't touch my trike for warranty work if I had done the mods that you are contemplating.

Anyway, my post was still primarily slanted at wishing you another great spin around the Sun!

Bob

 

[Teufelhunde]

Casper, Happy Birthday!!!

I hope that you are aware that the mods you described are going to potentially invalidate the remaining factory warranty time on your Tri Glide. Sadly, due to the agreement between the MOCO and the EPA, those mods constitute a violation of the MOCO's agreement and they are reportedly fairly swift to blacklist warranties where substantial mods have been made to the fuel induction/muffler systems. My 2017 M8 TGU just started throwing a code (PO132) for the front O2 sensor and I am pretty sure that some Harley dealers wouldn't touch my trike for warranty work if I had done the mods that you are contemplating.

Anyway, my post was still primarily slanted at wishing you another great spin around the Sun!

Bob

No potentially about it. I spoke with the owner of a local dealer earlier today and in a conference that he went to with the MOCO, he was told if the MOCO finds a bike that has been tuned by ANY tuner other than what they sell, warranty is immediately kaput........

YMMV

Lon

 

[Fearless]

Only experience with PV but if I can use it I'm sure you can it is so much more than "just a tuner" the features it delivers complete ECM management. Check them out I got mine from DK Customs with great support from Fuel Moto. I have also sent mine back to Dyno Jet for a check up at no charge. Also great people there in Nevada may be others as good I only speak of what I know. :good: travel safe Fred

 

[Jack Klarich]

No potentially about it. I spoke with the owner of a local dealer earlier today and in a conference that he went to with the MOCO, he was told if the MOCO finds a bike that has been tuned by ANY tuner other than what they sell, warranty is immediately kaput........

YMMV

Lon

IMO, Harley will NOT get away with this for long

If the after market like Power Vision wants to stay in the game they will step up and get their tuner EPA approved

Harley must have pulled a lot of strings when they brokered this deal knowing full well they had already broken the law many times over not to mention the bikes that were probably traded in and re sold with non EPA tunes on them JMO

 

[Casper]

Casper, Happy Birthday!!!

I hope that you are aware that the mods you described are going to potentially invalidate the remaining factory warranty time on your Tri Glide. Sadly, due to the agreement between the MOCO and the EPA, those mods constitute a violation of the MOCO's agreement and they are reportedly fairly swift to blacklist warranties where substantial mods have been made to the fuel induction/muffler systems. My 2017 M8 TGU just started throwing a code (PO131) for the front O2 sensor and I am pretty sure that some Harley dealers wouldn't touch my trike for warranty work if I had done the mods that you are contemplating.

Anyway, my post was still primarily slanted at wishing you another great spin around the Sun!

Bob

yeah, I know but warranty expires January 2019 and after the 10,000 mile service I’m putting my trailer hitch back on for my Bushtec and PRG flag, so that will effect the warranty too....I’ll just have to deal with it. Thanks for the birthday wishes...

 

[Teufelhunde]

IMO, Harley will NOT get away with this for long

If the after market like Power Vision wants to stay in the game they will step up and get their tuner EPA approved

Harley must have pulled a lot of strings when they brokered this deal knowing full well they had already broken the law many times over not to mention the bikes that were probably traded in and re sold with non EPA tunes on them JMO

I agree with you that they pulled a lot of strings, and they brokered the consent decree to be written THEIR WAY, so they could blame the EPA and play the victim. I don't agree, however that they won't get away with it for long. They are a huge corporation, and they have WAAAAAY more and higher priced attorneys than we do, as well as having the politicians in their pocket......

YMMV

Lon

 

[Old Road Dog]

The PV does alot.Way more than I need.Have the FP3 on the '14 Dyna and the J series on the 09 Sportster.All ya need for a stage 1.Don't be a sucker and do "Stages".What's the posted speed limit out there.Not fast enough to die?

 

[TriTn]

Happy birthday Casper.

My factory warranty will also run out in January 2019. Will these mods also void the extended service plan?

 

[Casper]

Happy birthday Casper.

My factory warranty will also run out in January 2019. Will these mods also void the extended service plan?

Dont have the esp and won’t buy one

 

[TriTn]

Dont have the esp and won’t buy one

But I do. The birthday wishes were for you. The question was for whomever could answer.

 

[rhino 2]

Happy birthday Casper.

My factory warranty will also run out in January 2019. Will these mods also void the extended service plan?

You can ask the service plan provider that question, But sometime just asking that question will void the warranty........

 

[Jack Klarich]

Happy birthday Casper.

My factory warranty will also run out in January 2019. Will these mods also void the extended service plan?

If it is a factory ESP YES

 

[TriTn]

If it is a factory ESP YES

Thank you. I suppose it is a factory esp, I bought it at the dealer when I traded. I will check.

Thanks again

 

[Capt.Bob]

Had one of my two O2 sensors replaced under warranty and was asking the Service Writer if the dealership has been invalidating warranties on 2017/2018 bikes for non-approved mods and with a somewhat gleeful smile, he said, "Yes, frequently". The service writer is a nice guy but his response was somewhat strong and I suspect portends a desire on the part of the dealers to shut out competition on their bikes from 2017 forward for after sales components. He stated "When I have to call Harley with a warranty claim, I have to tell them about the mods that the customer has done that are not approved" and he said that this has resulted in at least one denial of a $6-7k warranty claim and numerous permanent invalidations of remaining factory warranties. In my previous post, I was trying to be kind to our Birthday Boy by using less strong language in my congratulatory post but it appears that Harley is playing hardball when it comes to deviating from their "approved" aftermarket drivetrain/engine/exhaust components.

The Service Writer even challenged my installation of some Love Jugs suggesting that if they are wired incorrectly that they are causing codes to pop up. I clearly advised him that I used the "approved" Harley auxiliary 8-pin power cord connected to the existing extra power outlet which is only about a $22 part and the external Love Jugs in no way would impact the ECU via any wiring abnormalities and that the new M8 engines electrical systems were increased to accommodate external loads from add-on electrical components. What is kind of sad is that additions like the Love Jugs add superior cooling in parade situations that can help the M8 engines to not cook themselves in their own very hot internal engine oil baths under low airflow situations.

I think as others have pointed out, Harley and some of their dealers may be using this consent decree as a scare tactic to discourage other aftermarket vendor sales and to get business for only Harley parts from the MOCO.

 

[Jack Klarich]

I think as others have pointed out, Harley and some of their dealers may be using this consent decree as a scare tactic to discourage other aftermarket vendor sales and to get business for only Harley parts from the MOCO.

This is the part I have issues with,How can this fly?

It gives HD cart blanch to hold every one hostage on parts

Seems to me this should be a conflict of interests at least?

I will take my tuner off and put my stock air box back on when I have to take mine in for warranty work

 

[Capt.Bob]

This is the part I have issues with,How can this fly?

It gives HD cart blanch to hold every one hostage on parts

Seems to me this should be a conflict of interests at least?

I will take my tuner off and put my stock air box back on when I have to take mine in for warranty work

Jack, The draconian measures are certainly not helping Harley's stock price as it is near a 52-week low today and with the potential for some potential trade wars where Harleys have been specifically singled out as a product to incur tariffs in other countries, it may be even more negatively impacted moving forward. I would hope that Matt Lavatich (Harley CEO) who seems like a smart guy would get his team together and figure out how to be as customer friendly as they can be to retain the current owners and secure new riders to the brand under the current domestic and international pressures that are being exerted on the MOCO.

Jack, I feel for folks like the good people at DK Customs who are trying to carve out a living providing improvement parts for our rides and verifying the improvements in engine performance with hard data. Case in point is the oil cooler/relocation kits. I sure as hell wouldn't be putting one of those on my 2017 or newer Harley given the already sketchy introduction the MOCO had with some of the M8's (albeit a limited number of engines) that were detonating due to oil pump/debris issues and the installation would only put the newer bikes/trikes at risk of having factory warranties invalidated.

 

[Jack Klarich]

Very well said Bob Thanks:clapping:

 

[rhino 2]

Very well said Bob Thanks:clapping:

Devils Advocate Alert........Jack when i had a one man shop i guaranteed any job/work i did for all my customers....No time limit , But after it left my shop and then my customer or his customer decided that they were going to [In their mind] improve on it.. Then all bets guarantee wise are off... If you buy a vehicle any vehicle and want to improve in it and knowing the warrantee limitations , You can man up and bite the bullet , Or wait till the warrantee is over, Or buy used and do what you want, Or how bout if you think the bike needs to be improved because the manufacturer doesn't care .....Then don't buy the bike from them... Rant is almost over,

I think i'll move next to an air port and then complain about the noise...Rant is over...

 

[Jack Klarich]

Devils Advocate Alert........Jack when i had a one man shop i guaranteed any job/work i did for all my customers....No time limit , But after it left my shop and then my customer or his customer decided that they were going to [In their mind] improve on it.. Then all bets guarantee wise are off... If you buy a vehicle any vehicle and want to improve in it and knowing the warrantee limitations , You can man up and bite the bullet , Or wait till the warrantee is over, Or buy used and do what you want, Or how bout if you think the bike needs to be improved because the manufacturer doesn't care .....Then don't buy the bike from them... Rant is almost over,

I will man up when I have to but you can bet if something that HD did that caused my bike to grenade I aint going to be happy, and it will be the last HD I will buy

I think i'll move next to an air port and then complain about the noise...Rant is over...

I get it Bob and I do agree, BUT, don't tell me you are going to cancel the entire power train warranty when say a NON HD tuner is found but the design of the oil pump was flawed and caused the engine to grenade.

This is not even close to being realistic not to mention some wise guy with DEEP pockets will find a lawyer hungry enuff to take on the MOCO

I know this may be far fetched BUT IMO the MOCO cut a deal with the DEVIL and wants the customers to take the fall along with the little guys like D K Customs for helping their customer base? Rant is over

 

[Capt.Bob]

Jack,

I don't really understand the whole story and I think there are too many people involved to get a real sense of what is going on with the MOCO. Most manufacturers do not want their dirty laundry aired on websites such as ours and they maintain a high level of deniability until someone forces them to change their behavior. Generally, the government is slow to act and I don't know of any deep pockets that would maintain much interest in trying to go after the MOCO. I think things will rock along as they are and Harley will continue to lose market share as the demographics of motorized vehicles changes. I have a subscription to Hagerty's that insures my street legal race car and they surmise that the future of combustion engine vehicles will be significantly diminished to almost non-existence in about 15 years. Because of this, I don't see companies like Harley really thriving 20 years from now. I think combustion engine bikes/trikes will be more novelty than a highly sought after leisure pursuit. The Millenials really don't care all that much about cars or bikes and they certainly are losing the skill of shifting manual transmissions. Unfortunately, most of us on these sites are "dinosaurs" that don't realize that we are becoming extinct. As a former scientist, I really wish I could be around in 50 years to see how much things have changed but alas, that is highly unlikely. So, I will ride my vibrating, flawed, half-assed engineered motorpickle and enjoy it until they declare me dead or too incapacitated to ride

 

[Casper]

Happy birthday Casper.

My factory warranty will also run out in January 2019. Will these mods also void the extended service plan?

i misunderstood you, thought you were making a statement not asking a question....sorry

yes it would void your esp...

 

[Casper]

I really think MOCO has found an “ out “ to not honor warranty work. Blaming EPA ( even though they are the devil ) and having a back pocket reason to deny warranty....sucks!

im going to enjoy my trike, I’ll do as I please, warranty be damned! I may be screwing up,big time, but I bought it to have fun and ride comfortably....

pulling my Bushtec Trailer, getting rid of the heat is what I’m going to do...

thanks all for for the advice and B-day wishes.....I think I’m going with the PV...