Rear Brake Master?

[LadyKitty]

Trying to figure out what this Rear Brake Master Cylinder is. It is on a 2000 Suzuki Intruder VS800 that has a Lehman Hobo trike kit. My rear brake petal pushes down, but will not return. Recently, at low speed, I pushed the brake and no brakes. Yikes!, this isn't good. My husband added a little fluid and bled the lines, still no brake, He now believes that this master cylinder has gone bad. I've searched the internet, using the numbers on this and can not come up with anything. Yesterday I called a dealer, here in Arkansas, that does Lehman trikes to see if he could find out what this is. After waiting for 2 hours for his return call, I called Lehman myself. I gave Lehman the numbers and was given part #GB1090 from Lehman (I can't find anything on the internet with this number either).

Lehman also told me that there was no rebuilt kit for this.



Called the dealer back and talked to a different person.

I gave this person the number that Lehman had given me.

Today the dealer (the first person I talked to yesterday) called back and said that he was still waiting for a return call from Lehman. I gave him the part # that I had given to the second person yesterday. Said he would call Lehman and in about 10 minutes called me back. This part is 166.00--Ouch!!! The dealer also told me that Lehman had told him that this part has come from another Suzuki bike, but he wouldn't tell me which bike that Lehman may have gotten this master cylinder from. Just wondering if anyone could possibly tell me anything at all about this Rear brake master cylinder?

 

[LadyKitty]

Thanks UB for your time and research on this.

I've talked with Rick this morning and ordered the re-build kit from Performance Machine. Hopely the master cylinder is not completely shot.

Let me know if you hear anything from Lehman.

LK

 

[Ol' Grey]

Please check out the below thread (and ignore the "tampering" part)....My OL's '02 doesn't have the PM master cylinder, but a rear brake fluid reservoir behind a side cover. Her's also still utilizes the stock brake cable transitioning into a brake rod beneath the underside of the trike. Is the stock brake cable/rod with adjusting nut at the end of the rod completely not being used on your 2000 model ? It looks like the PM master cylinder has replaced the stock set-up that my OL's has, but am trying to verify here. (Running late, will check back later.....and real quick, in the last post of the linked thread, as it turns out, her's apparently was not missing the "bracket" as suggested)

http://www.triketalk.com/forum/conv...5825-suzuki-lehman-brake-normal-tampered.html

 

[Ol' Grey]

LadyKitty, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here and sure hope that you get this brake issue sorted out, but I was surprised to see the PM master cylinder on your 2000. My OL's 2002 doesn't have one.

If the Lehman rep said that it came off of another Suzuki model, am wondering which one as well, as I'm not aware that a Suzuki 2-wheeled version would be running a PM master cylinder off the showroom floor (but I could be wrong).

Are you the original owner ? If so, then Lehman obviously must have installed it. If you're not the original owner, does anyone know for sure if Lehman used it for the 2000 models ? If Lehman did, does anyone know why they discontinued using it ? Is it possible that a previous owner (if there was one) might have fabbed it up to work on the trike ?

Again, I'm just surprised to see it on there and am trying to figure this out.......:Shrug:

 

[Ol' Grey]

Checked the search engine and saw that Performance Machine had developed rear brake master cylinders for Harley and Lehman trikes. Still don't understand the Lehman rep saying that the PM came off another Suzuki model or why her 2002 doesn't have one.......oh well........Here's hoping that you can get the rebuild kit for your's and that it solves the prob, or if not, hopefully they'll have an up-graded PM master cylinder to replace the old one with........

 

[eagle1]

push down------weakkkk brakes sounds like a tri-glide.
hope guys here can help you. lb

 

[chadgroen]

LADY KITTY,
I am a buyer at Lehman Trikes; the Master Cylinder you are looking for is a Suzuki OEM Master Cylinder. The Suzuki Part# you need is 69600-38B01; call any Suzuki Dealer and they will be able to get this for you.

 

[Ol' Grey]

LADY KITTY,
I am a buyer at Lehman Trikes; the Master Cylinder you are looking for is a Suzuki OEM Master Cylinder. The Suzuki Part# you need is 69600-38B01; call any Suzuki Dealer and they will be able to get this for you.

Great info! By this part #, it'd be the OEM master cylinder for the VS1400's 1987-2009. Could be that the Lehman rep the dealer spoke to was thinking of the Suzuki OEM master cylinder that was adapted to the VS800/Lehman trike and not the PM master cylinder. Do you know if the OEM would be a direct swap-out from the PM ?.......(On a side note, owners of VS800's that have a 21" front wheel (pre-2000) and want to convert to a 19" front wheel use the front 19" from the VS1400, direct swap-out).

LadyKitty, if the OEM master cylinder is a direct swap-out for the current PM and you decide to go that way, please keep in mind that you might be able to save some bucks by buying from an online source rather than from the dealership. Cheap Cycle Parts has 'em for around $134........you could compare this price with the dealership's quote.

 

[lehman3]

Hi Lady Kitty,
We are so sorry for the issues you have been having with your trike! We have sent you a private message and would like to help you further with this matter.

 

[Papa Zook]

I have to say, this is what great customer service is all about. The staff and members want to say THANK YOU to Clay, Jaime and the Lehman Staff for your help!

 

[LadyKitty]

Thanks all for your responses. I'm not the original owner. I don't know if this Rear Master Cylinder would have been an OEM part or not. I will keep all informed as to the outcome of this.

 

[Ol' Grey]

Agreed with what Bazooka said.....the Lehman reps that post here and have been helpful and that's right on.

And, LadyKitty, thanx for keeping this thread alive. We want you to get your trike back on the road and some of us tech junkies are interested to see what the solution is opcorn:

There seems to be a slight bit of confusion in regards to whether Lehman originally installed the Performance Machine rear brake master cylinder or if the previous owner might have installed it themselves. I only skimmed a few links on the search engine and saw the mention of PM providing master cylinders for Harley and Lehman trikes, but didn't see it specifically say that they were used for the Suzuki/Lehman trikes (unknown).

What "chadgroen" offered is very good input. It goes along with what you said about a Lehman rep mentioning that the master cylinder from another Suzuki model was adapted to the Suzuki/Lehman trike.........that being the master cylinder from a VS1400 being used on the VS800 trike.

Even wikipedia is confused when it comes to "OEM"....hehehe......check it out:

Original equipment manufacturer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Papa Zook]

Well the good news is that both Lehman and Performance Machine are sponsors and monitor this board, and both are helping LadyKitty. Says a lot for these companies. ThumbUp

 

[LadyKitty]

Ol' Grey,
Thanks for the link about wikipedia being confused when it comes to OEM. Now I've gotten my laugh for today! lol

 

[Ol' Grey]

Ol' Grey,
Thanks for the link about wikipedia being confused when it comes to OEM. Now I've gotten my laugh for today! lol

Interesting, isn't it ? Almost like wikipedia doesn't approve of how the automotive industry sometimes designates OEM, LOL!

After reading your post last night, was thinking to myself "hmmm....I wonder what OEM is when talking about Lehman Trikes since there's Ford rear ends, Performance Machine master cylinders (at least on some Lehman models), Harley tail-lights, etc.".........Typed in "OEM" on Bing and got a chuckle out of it, too

From wikipedia's example of Apple, Inc., it looks like if Lehman bought 1,000 units of whatever part and installed them on their trike models, then those parts get designated as Lehman OEM. If an individual owner were to put the same part on their own trike, then it'd be designated as an "aftermarket" item.

And, Zook, that's very cool that both Lehman and Performance Machine are working on this. Both companies are tried 'n true :wtg:

'Night, All.........:Sleep1:

 

[LadyKitty]

Just thought I'd update you all to let you know that the rebuild kit arrived from PM on Monday, 5-23. My mechanic is currently in California, rock climbing, and won't be back until the middle of next month. Will post the outcome of the rebuild when it's done.

Prayers to all who may have been affected by the recent mutiple tornadoes. We've just had torrential rains and flash flooding. Flooding doesn't get us, but the rain does.

 

[Ol' Grey]

LadyKitty.........Had been playing catch-up on my OL's trike but wasn't able to work on it for the past couple months and have started in again recently. Going thru my own learning curve with this, gained some insights from a helpful member here and wanted to see if this helps you or not while you're waiting for your mechanic to return from his va-ca.

Her rear brakes are working and her foot pedal return works, but she was having to push the foot pedal forward considerably more than normal. On your's, in your 1st post of the thread, you mentioned that you had no brake action from the foot pedal and no foot pedal return.

In your pics, I see a cable housing that runs behind the PM Master Cylinder. If you follow that cable housing back, does it go to the rear brake light switch or does it continue on further back and underneath the rear of the trike ?

"IF" it goes further back and underneath, it may be the stock Suzuki rear brake cable that's been incorporated into the Lehman conversion kit. On her's, that cable ends with an adjuster nut at the very end of the cable with the adjuster nut on the end of a threaded brake rod. If I've got this right, that adjuster nut is used for both foot pedal height adjustment as well as foot pedal return (I'm not sure if it's different on your's or not due to your PM Master Cylinder, which she doesn't have).

If you follow that cable housing all the way back and find an adjuster nut, you might try turning it clockwise a couple turns at a time and see if it raises your pedal height, possibly offer some brake action as well as give you normal foot pedal return.......This may be a long shot, as like I said, am going thru my own learning curve here, but it's worth a look.........

 

[Littlest Hobo]

Hey LadyKitty

I have a feeling you and I have just about the same trikes. Mine is a 2001 Suzuki VS800 Intuder with Lehman Kit. Having brake issues too, but I have a brake leak. I have the same PM Master Cylinder on mine.

 

[Ol' Grey]

Hey LadyKitty

I have a feeling you and I have just about the same trikes. Mine is a 2001 Suzuki VS800 Intuder with Lehman Kit. Having brake issues too, but I have a brake leak. I have the same PM Master Cylinder on mine.

Interesting.......LadyKitty has a 2000 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with PM Master Cylinder. You've got a 2001 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with PM Master Cylinder. My lady friend has a 2002 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman, but it doesn't have the PM Master Cylinder. Her's has what I believe is probably a stock rear brake master cylinder from the 2-wheeled version of a VS1400 as "chadgroen" suggested earlier in this thread. The master cylinder is located underneath the trike and is integrated with the end of the stock Suzuki rear brake cable/rod and has a separate brake fluid reservoir behind the right side cover of the trike. The mystery continues as to design changes made by Lehman over the various years.................will be posting in your other brake-related thread after this.......

 

[LadyKitty]

Been waiting on my mechanic, who's been swamped since they got back from CA. Tired of waiting. Heading for Conway, AR to Freedom Suzuki tomorrow, with trike, to see if this master cylinder can be rebuilt or what I need to do next. Will keep all updated.

 

[jaxbobg]

Interesting.......LadyKitty has a 2000 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with PM Master Cylinder. You've got a 2001 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with PM Master Cylinder. My lady friend has a 2002 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman, but it doesn't have the PM Master Cylinder. Her's has what I believe is probably a stock rear brake master cylinder from the 2-wheeled version of a VS1400 as "chadgroen" suggested earlier in this thread. The master cylinder is located underneath the trike and is integrated with the end of the stock Suzuki rear brake cable/rod and has a separate brake fluid reservoir behind the right side cover of the trike. The mystery continues as to design changes made by Lehman over the various years.................will be posting in your other brake-related thread after this.......

I have a 2001 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with rear master under right rear fender and reservoir behind right side cover also. Tried to clean off the crud but can't read any markings on it. Looked up VS1400 rear master and can only find picture of handlebar mounted unit. However, mine does sort of look like the one LadyKitty has on the outside of her trike. Do you know any more about this cylinder?

I have a slight leak (maybe the seal) but have found nothing on the internet so far.

Thanks.

 

[Ol' Grey]

I have a 2001 VS800 Suzuki/Lehman with rear master under right rear fender and reservoir behind right side cover also. Tried to clean off the crud but can't read any markings on it. Looked up VS1400 rear master and can only find picture of handlebar mounted unit. However, mine does sort of look like the one LadyKitty has on the outside of her trike. Do you know any more about this cylinder? I have a slight leak (maybe the seal) but have found nothing on the internet so far. Thanks.

(This thread seems to have gotten lost in the black hole of private messaging, LOL!)

Trying to figure out which rear brake master cylinder you've got.

So far, it seems like the 2000 and 2001 models used the PM units like the one pictured in LadyKitty's post. The 2002 model that I work on has a rear brake master cylinder that looks like this:

94 SUZUKI VS1400 VS 1400 INTRUDER REAR MASTER CYLINDER BRAKE #7 | eBay

And a separate fluid reservoir that looks like this:

Suzuki 1987-2009 VS1400 Rear Master Cylinder Reservoir | eBay

Does your's look like the Suzuki master cylinder above or like the PM master cylinder on LadyKitty's ?

If it's the Suzuki one, there's some parts available for it, either thru a Suzuki dealership or online parts sources like http://www.bikebandit.com/ and http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/ If it's the Performance Machine (PM) master cylinder, you'd have to find a rebuild kit for it. As mentioned by Bazooka earlier in this thread, both Performance Machine and Lehman are sponsors of this site and both have reps that can hopefully chime in with their more experienced and knowledgeable input......

Also, please keep in mind that if you ever have any questions about the Suzuki portion of your trike, there's the Intruder Alert Cafe website that's dedicated to all models of the Suzuki Intruder, Volusia and Boulevard.

I tried to get the link for their website for you, but couldn't get to the site right now. Will try again and if successful, will post that link for you here.........Ride Safe

Edit: Here ya go: http://www.intruderalert.com/

 

[jaxbobg]

Hi LadyKitty...What was the final outcome of your brake cylinder repair?

Thought the group would like to see this one. I also have a 2001 Suzuki/Lehman VS800 and suspected a leak around the rear master cylinder. Like Ol' Grey, mine is beneath the right rear fender.

Didn't know exactly what brand I have, so got a floor jack under the trike and onto some 4x4 supports. Cleaned off the road grime with brake cleaner spray to get a better look. Next door neighbor is always working on bikes in his garage and he took a look at the suspected problem. Well, lo and behold, he just snugged all the line fittings and after we checked it out - no leaks!

Whew! Dodged the new cylinder/rebuild bullet. But here's the interesting part.
I don't have a PM cylinder or the one used on the VS1400. Mine is a Grimeca 19mm rear master with an "up arm". (There is also a "down arm" version).

Grimeca is an Italian company, in business a long time building brake parts for many different cycles.

Yes, this is a regular Lehman conversion.

I bought the trike used but recall the fellow I bought it from saying it was a 2005 or 2006 conversion.

I found a few parts houses that sell new cylinders for about $115 and also carry a rebuild kit. Hope this helps a fellow triker.

So, just to throw another brand into the mix, here is a picture of the Grimeca: