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Lonestalker · Jun 26, 2010

When I posted the following on the Official Harley-Davidson i was banned from the site within 20 minutes ! 
 
“Will anybody dare to criticize HD’s pricing policy ? 
 
Firstly, I do appreciate that HD has the most loyal membership of any MC existing and I love them dearly – BUT - the cost of spares and accessories is high to say the least. 
 
I don’t' mind being screwed and I don't mind being laughed - but not both at once. 
 
When you compare the price difference for HD/Kuryakyn etc with other manufactures – 50 Euros for a HOG T-shirt ! Look at the cost of mirrors and compare with other manufactures from Japan or Europe. 
 
There is a recession on world wide and HD need to be loyal to their users as we are loyal to them……” 
 
Any comments ?

Bob Witte · Jun 26, 2010

I'm a bit surprised that it took as long as 20 minutes!

Bob Witte
www.TheTrinityTrike.com

tfdeputydawg · Jun 26, 2010

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<div class="message">When I posted the following on the Official Harley-Davidson i was banned from the site within 20 minutes ! 
 
“Will anybody dare to criticize HD’s pricing policy ? 
 
Firstly, I do appreciate that HD has the most loyal membership of any MC existing and I love them dearly – BUT - the cost of spares and accessories is high to say the least. 
 
I don’t' mind being screwed and I don't mind being laughed - but not both at once. 
 
When you compare the price difference for HD/Kuryakyn etc with other manufactures – 50 Euros for a HOG T-shirt ! Look at the cost of mirrors and compare with other manufactures from Japan or Europe. 
 
There is a recession on world wide and HD need to be loyal to their users as we are loyal to them……” 
 
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</div>Check the boxes your HD parts came in and look at the tags in the shirts. You will find they, most likely, came from the same countries the "other manufacturers" stuff came from! I think some of the T-shirts may still be made in the good ole USA. Been a while since I bought any! 
I got banned off of a HD forum for trying to be funny one time explaning a new HD touring bike that was forthcoming! 
Told it would be water cooled, 4 cylinders, drive shaft w/approx 100hp, longer unlimited milage warranty and would be $6,000 cheaper than the current Ultra. 
Finished up by saying, "Wait I'm sorry, that's not a Harley, it's a Yamaha Venture. 
Guess the monitors had no sense of humor as I could no longer log in!!!!!!:no:

robandlyn · Jun 26, 2010

Are you NEW to the Harley life style ? 
I have admired Harley's ever since I seen a pack of a whole Chapter 
of Hells Angels go by me when I was walking along a road in the 
Summer of 1971. I loved the sound of the bikes and the look ! 
I finally took the jump and bought my 1st (of many) Harley in 1997. 
I do not know how it is over there but over here in the USA back then 
was you had to get on a LIST just to buy one and most times the price 
was INFLATED by anywhere from $1000 to $3000 over the MSRP. 
That was when they were making 170,000 units World wide and now 
it is more than DOUBLE that. What has happen though over here is that 
they flooded the market with bikes and the LIST's of bygone days are 
gone. Now and the ression over here and people having to sell their bikes 
has made it pretty much a BUYER's market. I see Dealer's in my area selling 
new bikes for MSRP and GIVING coupons for accessories of $1000 when the 
bike is bought. So basiclly that is really $1000 under MSRP. What I have 
seen this Year though is the price of clothing go up at the Harley shops 
and maybe that is where they are trying to make their money now. 
As for the price of HD vs Kuryakyn ..... It has ALWAYS been like that. 
We buy alot off E-bay or just wait for a Dealer to have a 15% off 
discount day. Like the old saying over here .... HD stands for Hundred 
Dollars ....

LOL .... Everytime we went into a HD Dealer we pretty much 
spent that before leaving ;-) 
Rob ..... 
 
P.S. another great place to buy stuff is from the people selling their 
stuff on the forums and even one of the many Yahoo Group forums. 
I got a great deal on a Tach and seat for my Wide Glide from a member 
on a Dyna only Yahoo Group.

tfdeputydawg · Jun 26, 2010

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<div class="message">Are you NEW to the Harley life style ? 
I have admired Harley's ever since I seen a pack of a whole Chapter 
of Hells Angels go by me when I was walking along a road in the 
Summer of 1971. I loved the sound of the bikes and the look ! 
I finally took the jump and bought my 1st (of many) Harley in 1997. 
I do not know how it is over there but over here in the USA back then 
was you had to get on a LIST just to buy one and most times the price 
was INFLATED by anywhere from $1000 to $3000 over the MSRP. 
That was when they were making 170,000 units World wide and now 
it is more than DOUBLE that. What has happen though over here is that 
they flooded the market with bikes and the LIST's of bygone days are 
gone. Now and the ression over here and people having to sell their bikes 
has made it pretty much a BUYER's market. I see Dealer's in my area selling 
new bikes for MSRP and GIVING coupons for accessories of $1000 when the 
bike is bought. So basiclly that is really $1000 under MSRP. What I have 
seen this Year though is the price of clothing go up at the Harley shops 
and maybe that is where they are trying to make their money now. 
As for the price of HD vs Kuryakyn ..... It has ALWAYS been like that. 
We buy alot off E-bay or just wait for a Dealer to have a 15% off 
discount day. Like the old saying over here .... HD stands for Hundred 
Dollars ....

LOL .... Everytime we went into a HD Dealer we pretty much 
spent that before leaving ;-) 
Rob ..... 
 
P.S. another great place to buy stuff is from the people selling their 
stuff on the forums and even one of the many Yahoo Group forums. 
I got a great deal on a Tach and seat for my Wide Glide from a member 
on a Dyna only Yahoo Group.</div>

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</div>Interesting! 
I became friends w/the owner of a local Harley store a number of years ago. 
He told me, whenever he sold a bike, he knew the owner and family members would be back many times. The average expenditure was around $2,500 for 
accessories and clothing. That's the average, which means a lot of people are spending a lot more. While he made good money, selling the bikes @ MSRP, he knew he would make a lot more from the "extras" people would buy. 
Other dealers in the area, some still do, would add a few thousands in accessories to the bikes. Then the price would be MSRP for the bike+shipping+set up+doc. fees+MSRP on all the accessories+the labor to install the accessories+sales tax. You paid it or the next person in the door would.

Lonestalker · Jun 26, 2010

Glad that some others tend to agree. 
 
Here in France, Wine good, weather better, Girls fantastic. HD are v. expensive dealers (like most other shops) close at 12 on Saturdays and are closed on Sundays and all holidays ! 
 
When a biking group go on a fun run they must have 2 hour lunch, and you will be banned by the group if you break the speed limit. 
 
At their runs/concerts all are very restrained sitting down (No dancing, Wheelies or Donuts) and politely applauded at the end of each number - Not quite like the Bulldog Bash in the UK ! 
 
 
On the plus side the roads are excellent, car drivers are very bike aware and the cops (Le Flic) are very understanding so much so that unless you are behaving like a total pratt you can break the speed limit on, what is known as, bike friendly roads – rolling bends. 
 
So all things considered this is a great place to ride and live <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />

robandlyn · Jun 26, 2010

tfdeputydawg said:
Interesting!
The average expenditure was around $2,500 for
accessories and clothing. That's the average, which means a lot of people are spending a lot more.

LOL ...... I guess Lynn & I belong to the "a lot more" people !
Just her 07 Street Glide that we traded in for her 2010 TG had $6,000
of EXTRA's in cost alone and that is not counting paying the Dealer to
install some of it :-(
For the total of all the HD's we have own and still do since July 1997
I would say we have spent atleast $25,000 and dividing that by 13 years
that would be about $2000 a year not counting the price of installing
some of the stuff. So his figure of $2500 is just about right.
Oh ... Wait you meant only ONCE when the bike is bought not EVERY year

Rob ....

Tango · Jun 26, 2010

50 bucks for a t-shirt? HD stands for hundred dollar. You got off cheap LOL HD has always been steep with their clothing prices. I never buy anything at a dealer unless it's on clearance, or at least on sale. The Honda Dealer where I purchased my Wing Trike always has a clearance section. My wife got her jacket 50% off when we picked up the trike. I said I should get one free kidding around with the salesperson. Well, guess what? Mine was free! BMW is really proud of their clothing line also.

BMW stands for "bring more wampum". Or, "bring my wallet". Tom <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />

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