15% Ethanol

[sarge7882]

I just heard the very end of a news story on the radio about 10% ethanol fuel being allowed to be raised to 15% in the future. I only heard the very end of the story so I don't know anything other than this one statement.

Has anyone heard this? I try my best to use non-ethanol fuel but it isn't always possible. When I do have to use it I can definitely tell a difference in mileage which is not good anyway. I would hate to see this come true!

 

[Greydog]

I just heard the very end of a news story on the radio about 10% ethanol fuel being allowed to be raised to 15% in the future. I only heard the very end of the story so I don't know anything other than this one statement.

Has anyone heard this? I try my best to use non-ethanol fuel but it isn't always possible. When I do have to use it I can definitely tell a difference in mileage which is not good anyway. I would hate to see this come true!

Haven't heard that but I wouldn't be suprised. HD advises against using anything higher than 10% to avoid engine damage. I can't get anything but 10% ethanol locally. My scooter wouldn't know what to do with GOOD gas!!!

 

[skuuter]

Ethynol Levels are already on a graduated Federal Table...goin' up...also, unless changed, "Ethynol-less Gasoline" is soon to be non-existant...My Wife manages a QUIK MART SHELL that is a chain of 52 Stores, all of Them now have 10%. The Oil Company that owns them sells gasoline to several independent Stores also. Some "advertise" no Ethynol, but actually have it (just for Your information...).....ThumbUp

 

[sarge7882]

How right you are skuuter. You can watch fuel delivery trucks go from one station to the next to the next to the next...all selling different name brand fuels. You never really know what you're getting.

 

[John Luciano]

All I can say is Now POP Corn at the movies is gona be $20.00 a Bag. Where you think the Ethanol is coming from

 

[Bikerbozo]

$20/bag for popcorn? When did the price go down?
My local H-D dealer is selling an Ethenol treatment product called Starbrite Enzyme Treatment. I also found it at Walmart. It suposedely counteracts Ethenol and improves mileage. I tried it for a while. Overall, no real improvement in MPG. Engine seemed to run a little bit rough. My H-D mechanic suggested not using it. No real diff with or without.

 

[greyfang]

I cant find the good gas anywhere now in northern colorado, up until about 6 months ago, there were a few around that advertized no ethenol but they were all taken over by shell stations.

 

[skuuter]

YEP.....ETHYNOL is gonna' be a way of Life...:gah:

 

[jim peacock]

I have been useing the 10 per cent blend every sence it became avaible here in the seventys.
Use it in my car,pickup,lawn equipment,motorcycle.
Car a 98 dodge intrepid 110000 miles,24 to 26 miles per gallion in town 28 to 32 on the road.
96 gold wing before being triked two up pulling a trailer 40to42 miles per gallion,as a trike36.
The truth of it is the reason for the price of corn and other farm crops going up is the increase in world wide demand for them,we export over thirty per cent of our farm products.
Corn is not the only thing you can make ethanole out of.
Plus there are two process a wet process for products like corn, sugar cane,sugar beets almost any plant and a dry process for things like grasses and corn stalks.
Now saying all of that I am strongly against the use of ev85 fuel,you lose to much fuel millage which means you are not only use more gas but more ethanoel.
I could go on and on but I will not.
I will say this were would you rather our money go,to the middle east where everybody hates us are to the american farmer.
:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

 

[skuuter]

E85 is not a very good fuel to let sit either...it evaporates, and attracts moisture...really needs to be used quickly in Your Tank.....ThumbUp

 

[msocko3]

Yep 15% is right around the corner, stations that you think are dispensing 100% gasoline actually are dispensing 10% ethanol as mentioned by skuuter. Bikes and Trikes with 02 sensor equipped engines will fair a little better than those who don't, the 02 sensors will help keep AFR's somewhat in line. Those who have engines that are FI but don't have O2 sensors may find them selves getting a re-tune in the future due to the leaner mixture caused by the higher ethanol percentages, carb equipped engines may require some re-jetting.

 

[DakotaRider]

Just purchased a brand new 2011 Honda Accord and right in the owners manual it states "no more than 10%" ethanol. Popcorn will be $30 a bag soon enough.

 

[jim peacock]

I think the 15% that was talked about was really what they meant was 85% ethanol and 15% gas.
I do not beleve we will see any increase in the increase in ethanol from the ten per cent,the e85 has been a bust which it should have been.
I would not be surprised to see them quit making it,which as for as I am concerend they never should have and this comes from a person who beleves in the use of ethanol and biodiesol fuels.
:wave4::wave4::wave4::wave4:

 

[Greydog]

I just read an article about ethanol in a popular MC magazine yesterday. Really opened my eyes!! Ethanol is not very efficient as a fuel as it takes 1.6 gallons of ethanol to provide the same energy as 1 gallon of gasoline. Due to the manufacturing process, it is actually only 95% ethanol....the remaining 5% is WATER. I did a little math and found that for every six gallons of ethanol in your tank there is 3.84 ounces of water. Additionally, there is a term called "EROEI" Energy Recovered On Energy Invested. Due to the energy expended in making corn ethanol, including tilling the fields, planting, insecticides, harvesting, shipping the raw produce and converting it to ethanol the EROEI is 1:1 meaning as much energy is expended making it as is recovered from using it. One might ask, "Where is the profit"?? Well, that lies in the subsidy of 45 cents per gallon paid by the government to the producers. Where did the Government get the 45 cents??? From our tax dollars!! That's a hidden fuel tax most folks are not aware of.
Brazilian sugar cane has an EROEI of 8:1 due the high content of alcohol producing sugar.....but we don't use much of that in the US because we are not set up to extract and process the raw materials from sugar cane.

 

[tis]

Just curious, could some of our members from other countries pls. enter whatever blends you may be running there in your Petro......

 

[Maryland Triker]

Come on guys, theres not a thing you can do about it. The government tells you what type of gas you can burn and soon what kind of insurance you can have whoops they already do if your over 65 and retired you have to have medicare as your primary. My healthcare just went up 30 a month thank you mr government. we have to support the foriegn goverments and our very own illegals this was brought on by the poloticians GOP & DEMS. They are the ones that control the purse strings.

 

[Stephen]

I just read an article about ethanol in a popular MC magazine yesterday. Really opened my eyes!! Ethanol is not very efficient as a fuel as it takes 1.6 gallons of ethanol to provide the same energy as 1 gallon of gasoline. Due to the manufacturing process, it is actually only 95% ethanol....the remaining 5% is WATER. I did a little math and found that for every six gallons of ethanol in your tank there is 3.84 ounces of water. Additionally, there is a term called "EROEI" Energy Recovered On Energy Invested. Due to the energy expended in making corn ethanol, including tilling the fields, planting, insecticides, harvesting, shipping the raw produce and converting it to ethanol the EROEI is 1:1 meaning as much energy is expended making it as is recovered from using it. One might ask, "Where is the profit"?? Well, that lies in the subsidy of 45 cents per gallon paid by the government to the producers. Where did the Government get the 45 cents??? From our tax dollars!! That's a hidden fuel tax most folks are not aware of.
Brazilian sugar cane has an EROEI of 8:1 due the high content of alcohol producing sugar.....but we don't use much of that in the US because we are not set up to extract and process the raw materials from sugar cane.

Let me correct that statement:

Brazilian sugar cane has an EROEI of 8:1 due the high content of alcohol producing sugar.....but we don't use much of that in the US because the government doesn't want to extract and process the raw materials from sugar cane. In other words if no money is finding it's way into government coffers (champagne funds) it's not going to happen.

 

[sarge7882]

Well, today the only place in town I could supposedly get ethanol free fuel changed and it now has ethanol (for sure now).

 

[Chris]

NASCAR is going to 15% ethanol too. The new fuel cells have to be sealed with two dry brakes to keep the moisture out. The new fuel dump cans have 3 separate seals. NASCAR says it does not make for any changes in engine building, but the gas mileage will be reduced some. Keeping moisture out of the tanks is the hardest part.
I guess we will just have to adapt to live with it.

 

[skuuter]

I think the 15% that was talked about was really what they meant was 85% ethanol and 15% gas.
I do not beleve we will see any increase in the increase in ethanol from the ten per cent,the e85 has been a bust which it should have been.
I would not be surprised to see them quit making it,which as for as I am concerend they never should have and this comes from a person who beleves in the use of ethanol and biodiesol fuels.
:wave4::wave4::wave4::wave4:

E85 is primarily targeted for the Flexfuel and Hybrid Cars.....but, 15% Ethynol is comin' in Your Standard Gasoline Formulas.....that day is not far away...ThumbUp

The "Logic/No Logic" Argument (From Politicians) for it all is that whatever percentage of Ethynol we use, there is that much less Foreign Petroleum that we are dependent on...:innocent:

 

[meredog]

According to President Bush's own Department of Energy, the national mandate sought by the administration to ramp up ethanol production to 5 billion gallons a year by 2012 could increase the cost of gasoline by 10 cents per gallon

 

[oleman69]

Has anybody heard of the Bakken oil field if not google it and then get mad about it we're getting screwed royal

 

[White Knight 04]

I have a chain saw business and just a word to the wise don't I repeat don't leave Ethynol and oil mixture in your saws or anything that is 2 stroke it will destroy the carb diaphragm and when you try to use it later on if it has been any length of time, the oil will turn to a snotty form and plug the carb and also coagulate in the tank ...Just sayin !!!! I have experienced this with at least 5 saws...

 

[White Knight 04]

Has anybody heard of the Bakken oil field if not google it and then get mad about it we're getting screwed royal

Thank big brother !!!!!!

 

[jim peacock]

I sure hope they do not starting 15% ethanol in all gas,as much as I beleve in the use of ethanol,being a old hot rodder I know 10% is all you should go with out raising the compression ratio of the motor.
I would advise any one that has a ev85 vehicel not to use the ev85 gas,because your fuel miliage will drop and you will not only be wasting gas but ethanol to.
:AGGHH::AGGHH::AGGHH::AGGHH:

 

[KRUZR]

America has plenty of there own oil. Someone just has to decide to get out of the ground. I mean lots of oil, like America really doesn't have to purchase any!!!! Ride Safe! Goggle American Oil reserves?

 

[subeetrikerdon]

I just heard the very end of a news story on the radio about 10% ethanol fuel being allowed to be raised to 15% in the future. I only heard the very end of the story so I don't know anything other than this one statement.

Has anyone heard this? I try my best to use non-ethanol fuel but it isn't always possible. When I do have to use it I can definitely tell a difference in mileage which is not good anyway. I would hate to see this come true!

IS THE EPA TRYING TO POISON OUR MOTORCYCES?

On October 13, the Environmental Protection Agency approved an increase in the ethanol portion of blended gasoline from 10 to 15 percent. However, the use of the new E15 fuel is to be confined to model year 2007 and newer cars and light trucks. The use is not approved for motorcycles at this time. So the quick answer to the title of this piece is NO. The problem is that once the high percentage blend is offered, there is a chance that it will make its way into your bike.

The American Motorcyclist Association has released the following statement:
"The AMA supports the use of cleaner-burning fuels, but we are concerned that gasoline containing more than 10 percent ethanol could result in premature engine damage or failure while a motorcycle is being ridden. We're also concerned about any degradation in performance, fuel economy and rideability that may result from the long-term use of blended fuels with greater than 10 percent ethanol."

The fact is, there are serious questions as to whether the new E15 fuel is safe for ANY conventional engine. Bob Greco, who is a spokesman for the American Petroleum Institute, told The Wall Street Journal that by approving E15 without full testing, the EPA is putting "politics before science." He went on to say, "You're going to have fuels in the marketplace that could damage engines and void warranties.”

In the near future, motorcyclists will need to be even more vigilant in determining what fuel their bikes are burning.

"E15 is going to make fuel lines on older equipment turn to mush a lot faster, You've got spillage and environmental issues as well as fire and safety issues."

When I adapted an 86 Subaru engine into my homebuilt trike, I changed fuel lines to the one's used with fuel injection. They do not "turn to mush" as do normal fuel lines when using the ethanol fuels. Something for you to look into....

Question is: How will we know or determine what fuel our machines are burning. Will we have a choice at the pumps? I don't think so.








Sorry about the double post of the caution sign. I tried to delete it four times and it is still there.......

 

[subeetrikerdon]

 

[jim peacock]

I would not want to use the 15% any any vehicele unless they raise the compression in the motors and make sure this is the fuel you can put in them.
While I sure beleve in the use of ethanol they sure are going about it in the wrong way which really ticks me off.

 

[Greydog]

I would not want to use the 15% any any vehicele unless they raise the compression in the motors and make sure this is the fuel you can put in them.
While I sure beleve in the use of ethanol they sure are going about it in the wrong way which really ticks me off.

Sort of makes me feel like the Government has found another way to "bail out" the auto manufacturers. Gonna force everyone to drive a late model car by dictating what fuel they can buy.